Psychedelics Creating Kundalini Awakening

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#61

[QUOTE=siva;19928]Ansuri,

They are the ascending and descending forces generated in the body between the posture and control of your breath.

For example, uddiyana banda applies the principle: Descending force from the upper-body wraps around the ascending from the lower, which comes up through the abdomen to the solar plexus, and catches it, grips it from below, getting under it. Hence it locks there and suspends the posture.

That same process is extended to the chakras: descending force rolling down, around and under the ascending, up through the chest, throat and ultimately into the head. Bing!

I would add that it happens vertical or prone, they come together in sarvasana as well, so ascending and descending generally describe the opposition within the body and not so much up and down.

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siva[/QUOTE]

I would tend to think Siva that you WOULD be very aware of the solar plexus area and I don’t mean that as an insult…jsut thought that I would clairify that. Men who work out physically alot-or when their work is very physical and they rise above the challenge they become like yogis. They very much understand especially the force that work outward from this point. It is a wonderful center to work from. Very powerful. YOur description of it is excellent and I really do mean that.

#62

Dear

there is one simple thing to understand that kundalini is not a physical thing like heart and stomach so you can awaken your kundlanin by taking drugs.,

it is purely in the astral format more specifically we can say that it is in the fourth body which is called karan sharira. to awaken a kundalni one need to go there which is possible by only true pranic practices of yogi.

so simply in conclusion say that dont go in to those areas which makes us fool.

hari om tatsat

www.siddhyog.com

#63

[QUOTE=siddhyogi;19963]Dear

there is one simple thing to understand that kundalini is not a physical thing like heart and stomach so you can awaken your kundlanin by taking drugs.,

it is purely in the astral format more specifically we can say that it is in the fourth body which is called karan sharira. to awaken a kundalni one need to go there which is possible by only true pranic practices of yogi.

so simply in conclusion say that dont go in to those areas which makes us fool.

hari om tatsat

www.siddhyog.com[/QUOTE]

whatever. Why don’t you think for yourself instead of reiterating something that you have read that you don’t understand anything about.

#64

Re: Siva and Sakti

Dandelion, you’re close. Siva, I think you have this mixed up with prana and apana.

Siva and Sakti actually represent the male and female principles of the universe. Sakti represents the female principle or Prakriti, which is the primordial source of material existence. It is the procreatrix, or that which brings forth. It is composed of the three gunas, sattva, rajas, and tamas, and is characterized by constant change or transformation.

Siva represents the male principal, Purusa or soul. In contrast to Prakriti, Purusa is without attributes and unchanging. The union of Siva and Sakti represents the union of body and soul, or spirit and matter. This union is represented by a point which is known as the bindu.

#65

Ansuri,

Very good. I am very proud of you.

Prana and apana are the forces involved to which siva and shakti give form and direction. Ah ha? They are a divinification of the same prinicple, whereas the gunas describe its “quality.”

Glad to see you do your homework. You keep peeling that onion.

siva

#66

[QUOTE=siva;19971]Ansuri,

Very good. I am very proud of you.

Prana and apana are the forces involved to which siva and shakti give form and direction. Ah ha? They are a divinification of the same prinicple, whereas the gunas describe its “quality.”

Glad to see you do your homework. You keep peeling that onion.

siva[/QUOTE]

Thanks Siva

#67

[QUOTE=Asuri;19967]Re: Siva and Sakti

Dandelion, you’re close. Siva, I think you have this mixed up with prana and apana.

Siva and Sakti actually represent the male and female principles of the universe. Sakti represents the female principle or Prakriti, which is the primordial source of material existence. It is the procreatrix, or that which brings forth. It is composed of the three gunas, sattva, rajas, and tamas, and is characterized by constant change or transformation.

Siva represents the male principal, Purusa or soul. In contrast to Prakriti, Purusa is without attributes and unchanging. The union of Siva and Sakti represents the union of body and soul, or spirit and matter. This union is represented by a point which is known as the bindu.[/QUOTE]

Siva is right in a way but in how it affects the feeling in the body in a particular form of the experience of the meeting of Shakti and shiva. He would be experiencing working with the kundalini energy as it rebounds back from shakti upwards or downwards from sita. It is the interplay of divine energy as it enters from Siva to the connection and interconnective play with prakti or shakti. By having that experience build in the solar plexus on its lightening speed descent or ascent and then burst from there in all direction s or upward or downward is an excellent experience.

I think that basically it is just as i dicussed earlier. It is the working of divine energy coming from Siva and co-creating with shakti (our mind, our emotions our body). Correlating this to how I have been reacting to you guys, what I have been trying to say is taht in a balanced state and an open well functioning state we have a mind of our own rather simply saying or believing something that we have read or that someone else has told us without the personal experience of understanding it. When we do not use the inspiration of our own minds electrified by the divine, we are not acting from a state of satva. But sometimes we can be in philosophical burnout and therefore acting from a lower guna temporarily. We are all susceptible to going off balance because this world is so off balance.

Siddhyogi’s response was from a lower guna. The response was kinda dead because he sounded like he had been, somewhere along the way suppressed, in speaking his own truth or experiencing life for himself. How many people get lost that way? Those are the people who follow along blindly. Perhaps it was from overly dominating and controlling parents or perhaps from the wrath of society-law, peers that terrify us from having our own mind…speaking from our heart and soul-right or wrong. At least when you do that you have life-your own god-given life flowing through your earth presence. If you are operating from raja, you are simply following uninspired. We all flux. It would be nice to have thunder and lightening from the divine co-creating with us all the time.

#68

Never mind.

#69

[QUOTE=Asuri;20033]Never mind.[/QUOTE]

What do you mean never mind ‘be here now’? Isn’t this a forum for discussion?

#70

[QUOTE=siddhyogi;19963]Dear

there is one simple thing to understand that kundalini is not a physical thing like heart and stomach so you can awaken your kundlanin by taking drugs.,

it is purely in the astral format more specifically we can say that it is in the fourth body which is called karan sharira. to awaken a kundalni one need to go there which is possible by only true pranic practices of yogi.

so simply in conclusion say that dont go in to those areas which makes us fool.

hari om tatsat

www.siddhyog.com[/QUOTE]

You were talking about two different things here and I responded to your thing on drugs however the other part of what you were saying is correct…in other words it is as I said earlier, about love. If you love you, are inspired and then you initiate that flow of kundalini or whatever it is and you then learn from it- cocreate. Yes you work it as it works with you. It is beautiful.

#71

What do you mean never mind…

I kind of like your last post, especially the part about thunder and lightening from the divine.

#72

[QUOTE=Asuri;20038]I kind of like your last post, especially the part about thunder and lightening from the divine.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Asuri. Ys it can come in a gentle flow but it can also be…like Thunder and lightening. Actually I was thinking taht music made from the guna of creativity is rock music, middle-eastern and good trance. I find classical to be more the middle guna. You know, from the mind. It does lift the spirit somewhat but the other stuff cuts right through to the soul and lifts you right up and takes you with it in the most pleasurable powerful way. That is when you are really having fun.

#73

Lightening is the metaphor used in the Yoga-Kundalini Upanishad. Sattva is lightness, wisdom, love, etc. Rajas is activity, passion, desire. Tamas is heaviness, inertia, sloth, darkness. Sort of like protons, neutrons, and electrons, that’s the stuff the world is made of.

I saw Eric Clapton and Steve Winwood this past weekend. Great stuff, excellent concert.

#74

[QUOTE=Asuri;20045]Lightening is the metaphor used in the Yoga-Kundalini Upanishad. Sattva is lightness, wisdom, love, etc. Rajas is activity, passion, desire. Tamas is heaviness, inertia, languor, sloth. Sort of like protons, neutrons, and electrons, that’s the stuff the world is made of.

I saw Eric Clapton and Steve Winwood this past weekend. Great stuff, excellent concert.[/QUOTE]

Oh my mistake, I thought that Raja was just like a plodding type of energy but definitely not passion and desire, but then I guess someone could have a passion for something and a desire but still not be tapping into the stream of divine consciousness. When you feel love that is when you really connect with something higher. HUmmmmmm…

YOu saw those guys!, awe that is nice. I ahve to go out to a concert soon. I haven’t been for awhile.

#75

I know what you meant though. I heard Carlos Santana once say that he was like a hose and the music just came through him. It’s sort of a spontaneous creativity that can happen when you find yourself in the right groove. The idea of that spontaneous creativity being kundalini is new to me though. I’ll have to give that some thought.

#76

this kinda makes sense to me.

expansion of consciousness-----heightened creativity

#77

I am not up on all of my reading on this stuff so I probably don’t have all the right words and philosophical concepts. To me it hasn’t been a priority yet. But what I have experienced from doing yoga is one form of, I believe to be kundalini. When I am in that trance state, I become more graceful, I flow naturally from one thing…asuna to the next. I follow whatever happens rather than trying to follow a set routine. The feeling that I get is sexy, not horny but beautiful. My body aligns naturally and I have a heightened sense of my entire body. I become aware of important yoga moves that I have never read about and find myself doing them. It is a high feeling as I move in ways that feel good to me. I do alot of warm-ups within an asuna so it is like a dance. it is beautiful and beyond the ordinary.

When I dance, I get the same thing but I work more with mental pictures which just come to me. Other things come and co-create with the energy too. My entire body becomes engaged and I become very sensuous even when I dance very fast. I have got to be one of the most sexiest dancers in the world. I don’t think about what I am going to do-it just happens.

As a musician, a very rare few of us actually have the experience of (kundalini) as we play. But if you are a star, it is because this is happening. When that amazing energy flow sweeps me up in it, my senses are keen because am in trance. I hear what I am going to sing before I do. I follow it. When I wait till I get can get securely on the wave, by just waiting until I am in trance and therefore able to catch the subtle state then I fly with it. To get into trance, it doesn’t take too much-I just quietly wait for the wave to happen. It happens very quickly…no waiting in the cave meditating my life away. When I sing, my entire body is engaged especially the neck, arms, hands and shoulders. I free myself so that I let it all work together. You can’t be self-conscious to do this. It is very beautiful when I free myself to do this. The voice becomes very strong and pwerful when this happens…especially if you have trained your voice to be ready for it when it comes through. When you work from this energy, the people listening actually will go into a type of trance. They call this spell-bound. The voice becomes spectacular-more than ordinary.

When I drum, I become very intricate and the rhythms are better than ordinary and so creative when I allow tht energy to take over me.

When I put people into a hypnotic trance, I begin by going into trance (meditation) along with the client and what I say is amazing compared to what I could think of in an ordinary state. People have said that as soon as they formulated a question in their mind I would answer it. I am the best counselor that I personally have known because of it because even before I go into trance and I am doing the consulting part, I seem to ask the right questions. Actually pull them out of the air. I blank my mind so that I can do this.

When I guide students in yoga, I do it in trance state as well. It becomes so more meaningful to them and by doing this I am showing them the experience of how it goes in trance with yoga. A teacher should be teaching yoga this way…in a beyond basics or beyond the physical aspects of proper technique.

When I massage clients, I also do it in trance state. This is why I am so accurate compared to someone who is thinking about what they just read or learned in a course and applying that. I am so much better than a registered massage therapist because of this.

So in all of these things that I do, I work in trance and therefore the quality is superior. I am very down-to-earth with this at the same time. That is the connecting of siva with shakti I guess. How can celestial ponderings do you any good unless you are well grounded in reality eh Mr. Siddhyogi?

#78

Hi Dandelio,

What exactly are you taking;)?

Thanks

#79

Lol, why would you like some?

#80

I just want to say that I’ve had several experiences with botanical n,n-dimethyltryptamine (which is also a hormone produced in a gland situated near the 3rd eye) that gave me quite typical colorful, radiant visions, and other perceptual changes.

When using a certain amount of plant matter, there are not so pronounced visions with closed eyes, but with open eyes the perceptual changes are very clear, and the general atmosphere is very similar to the cosmic experience described by Yogananda. I’m not talking about a few similarities here and there–many detailed similarities, as to the quality of the vision, the actual visual make-up, and what happens in Yogananda’s mind.

When using a bit more plant matter, what I experienced is very much like the Bardo Thodol as described in the Tibetan Book of the Dead. As vivid as 3D reality, I’ve seen entities as described in this book, and I was communicating with them without speaking. They are made out of light, and react to everything that goes on in my mind. E.g, within less than a second angels and buddhas become demons and monsters the moment my mind starts to slip into even a bit of fear and anxiety.

Illusion or not, plant-assisted or not, most of my experiences with this plant and other psychedelic plants have been neutral to fruitful. I’m happy when I haven’t used these plants for years, and I’m happy when there happens to be a month when I use it 2 times. I am typically humble towards psychedelic plants, and I am grateful they exist.

I like to do introspection, pranayama, and meditation before deciding to use a plant. I also like to first shake hands with the plant, in the form of taking only a small dose. Usually it feels ok to continue, but sometimes it feels like it’s not the right moment, so I leave it at that.

I have never taken a big dose of a plant I hadn’t used before. Every plant I use, I build up the dose very slowly and carefully, after informing myself as much as possible through literature of all disciplines. Especially psychopharmacology and ethnobotany are good sources.

For me psychedelic plants work well in conjunction with having an organic sugarfree msg-free vegan, ahimsa lifestyle with a lot of raw food, fruits, salads, etc. Short-term preparation for taking psychedelic plants can also involve fasting (2 hours up to a few days before ingestion). Doing asanas can also have immense influence. I think it’s highly recommendable to experiment with asanas and pranayama at some point shortly before ingestion, or during the experience.

I’ve also had several psychedelic experiences without using plants, for example through very specific pranayama (15 to 30 minutes of strong fast breathing through the nose–don’t try this at home without experienced guidance). These experiences are for me not less or more valuable than those with plants, nor are the things learned of completely different quality.