Quest for clarity: Omniscience

Spirituality
#1

[QUOTE=core789;33261]Omniscience is all knowing.

And logically ,that kiind of awarnesss could have better ideas for a computer than we currently have. In fact they would probably laugh at our comparitive primitiveness.Like sleeping on a bed of flint stones.They might think we were really backwards.

If one was omniscient one might not choose to see the computer like we do as a bundel of electronics ,silicon and metals all glued together.A god connects all objects together,even the most dissparate. Finds harrmony in the whole.He does’nt look for separation.He sees the table the computer it’s on and the room both are in, if he chooses and therefore ssees that as just as important if he chooses.

Omniscience could be described as the the most perfect level of self-awareness or self-knowledge.[/QUOTE]

I thought I will start a new thread with this quote by core789.

My question is about the experience of omniscience. I’m searching for the answer several years now - looking for someone with such experience (of course its not easy to find such person :wink: ) or someone who interacted with such person. Specifically, is the omniscience a state in which all existing specific knowledge is accessible? (knowledge understood as a representation of the reality by mental constructs). In which you can answer any question about workings and state of the whole universe. Or is omniscience a state in which you experience a feeling of understanding the nature of the world (sort of general knowledge of the basic mechanisms). Or something else? I find this concept bit confusing and people with different interpretations.

Ps. I would also distinguish between perception and omniscience - in my opinion the ability (even supernormal) to perceive things is different than ability to conceptualize and generate mental representation (e.g. count something).

#2

I have of course had no experience of omniscience. The chances of you finding somebody who had experiences of omniscience on this forum are very slim. Why would somebody whose had such an experience be posting on this forum?

However what I can tell you is how the Vedic science describe it. There is something known as the causal plane in which all samskaras(storehouse of impressions or potential objects) reside dormant and it exists as an information layer of reality. This is also known as the akashic records in new-age parlance. This causal plane plane contains a representation of everything there is in existence(physical content, mental content) and the past, present and future of it. In the Yogasutras Patanjali describes how one can access this plane to get any kind of information you want(past, present and future, information from other minds)

In psychometry exactly the same dynamic is at work. The psychic can get information from the causal plane of the object they are working on.

Now as we have a limited mind we can only access one bit of information at a time. When we have transcended all limitations of the mind then we can access all information at once and this is by definition omniscience.

I think a better question would be to ask if there is anybody here who has got information from the akashic records before.

#3

Omniscience is relative. I am omniscient regarding the files on my computer, placed in my personal folders. Ask me what’s in the Windows folder, and you lost me.

Another guy is omniscient about all phenomena on planet Earth. Yet, he is lost when he is inquired about things what are outside our solar system.

Some might have galactic consciusness … but still not having a universal one.

Ok … where do we stop ?

#4

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;33298] The chances of you finding somebody who had experiences of omniscience on this forum are very slim. Why would somebody whose had such an experience be posting on this forum? [/QUOTE]

I think I got this idea from last image of ?The Ten Ox-herding Pictures? (http://mettarefuge.wordpress.com/2009/12/20/the-ten-ox-herding-images-of-zen/):

?His thatched cottage gate is closed, and even the wisest know him not. No glimpses of his inner life are to be caught; for he goes on his own way without following the steps of the ancient sages.

Carrying a gourd, he goes out into the market, leaning against a staff, he comes home. He is found in company with wine-bibbers and butchers; he and they are all converted into Buddhas.

Bare-chested and bare-footed, he comes out into the market-place; Daubed with mud and ashes, how broadly he smiles! There is no need for the miraculous power of the gods, For he touches, and lo! the dead trees are in full bloom.?

Somehow it feels right for me ? the deeper you go, the less extraordinary you are. So maybe there are some ordinary people at this forum which are deeper than it appears.

[QUOTE=Hubert;33308]Omniscience is relative. I am omniscient regarding the files on my computer, placed in my personal folders. Ask me what’s in the Windows folder, and you lost me. [/QUOTE]

So wouldn?t a term ?knowledgeable? be more appropriate in this case? Omniscience refers to an infinite knowledge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniscience) and in popular understanding is not relative. Surya Deva pointed to Vedas and showed how it is understood there, as a direct access to causal plane where all information would be stored (even past and future). So it may be understood as not relative at all.

#5

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;33298]

However what I can tell you is how the Vedic science describe it. There is something known as the causal plane in which all samskaras(storehouse of impressions or potential objects) reside dormant and it exists as an information layer of reality.

This is also known as the akashic records in new-age parlance.

This causal plane plane contains a representation of everything there is in existence(physical content, mental content) and the past, present and future of it.

In the Yogasutras Patanjali describes how one can access this plane to get any kind of information you want(past, present and future, information from other minds)

[B]Do you know which sutra? [/B]

In psychometry exactly the same dynamic is at work. The psychic can get information from the causal plane of the object they are working on.

Now as we have a limited mind we can only access one bit of information at a time. When we have transcended all limitations of the mind then we can access all information at once and this is by definition omniscience.

I think a better question would be to ask if there is anybody here who has got information from the akashic records before.

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Also This post is quite awesome for me. I’m writing a little piece.
It deals with alternate versions of the future for a character… You helped me!!! I think… or you may have ruined it for me. :stuck_out_tongue: More study…

So in the akashic records is there potential for all choices one can make during life? Because thats a lot of choices. You know?

TELL ME MORE!

#6

[QUOTE=Pawel;33286]I’m searching for the answer several years now - looking for someone with such experience (of course its not easy to find such person :wink: )[/QUOTE]

You’d have just as much chance of finding an amputee, who’s limb grew back through prayer.

#7

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;33320]You’d have just as much chance of finding an amputee, who’s limb grew back through prayer.[/QUOTE]

I know a guy with a broken spine which was mended during a prayer, so maybe chances are not so slim! :slight_smile:

#8

[QUOTE=Pawel;33321]I know a guy with a broken spine which was mended during a prayer, so maybe chances are not so slim! :)[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that’s why I said amputee. Cause the only things that are cured by prayer, are things that could (and did) heal by themselves anywat. That’s why you see cancer victims get healed by prayer. Cause they are also receiving real treatment, and cancer is know to heal in many cases with proper treatment. You never see an amputee grow a limb back with prayer though… gee I wonder why lol

#9

Not in all cases. Im some cases a patient is shown to show healing that is miraculous according to doctors for which there are no conventional explanations.

#10

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;33324]Not in all cases. Im some cases a patient is shown to show healing that is miraculous according to doctors for which there are no conventional explanations.[/QUOTE]

Yeah the body is a survival machine. I’m sure things like cancer can be cured in seemly a miraculous condition. But it’s not that amazing. What would be amazing is if a amputees limb grew back. That would never happen… obviously

#11

It is amazing enough for the doctors who have studied medical science.

The body is no mechanism it is an intelligent system. It knows just what to produce and when to produce in what proportion and under what circumstances. You obviously do not appreciate the great system our body is.

#12

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;33328]It is amazing enough for the doctors who have studied medical science.

The body is no mechanism it is an intelligent system. It knows just what to produce and when to produce in what proportion and under what circumstances. You obviously do not appreciate the great system our body is.[/QUOTE]

What have I said to give you that impression?! I think the body is an incredible example of the awe inspiring power of evolution. I even just referred to it as a survival machine. You like telling me what I said. You also said I hate Christians. I have never said or implied that anywhere. I have used Christianity as an example of religion, but I have never said that I dislike it in anyway. My mum, and one of my brothers is a Christians, and my girlfriend and her family are Christians. Try and read the posts a little slower so you can absorb the point being made, It will save you a lot of time and frustration.

#13

Every single thought, word, and action creates reverbarations and is entered in the Akasha Records. But there are some good librarians who deal with the junk. If you want to make their job harder, just do, say, and think whatever you like and want. In fact, the difference between an ignorant and an advanced practitioner lies in that the former acts, speaks, thinks chaotically, reacts to unrealized inner and outer stimuli, goes by the herd, while the latter has developed a certain sense of responsability, and rather does not act, speak, or even refrains from arbitrary thoughts, unless he/she has good reasons to do so.

Every lie weakens and eventually destroys the delicate inner organisations of our soul body, thus making it obtuse, and not a proper channeling tool.
And talking about things we do not really know, but we just believe in them by the power of some unrecognized authority, is still a lie, and it’s effects are the same. The bullet will do the same damage, regardless the intetions of the shooter.

#14

[QUOTE=Hubert;33345]Every single thought, word, and action creates reverbarations and is entered in the Akasha Records. But there are some good librarians who deal with the junk. If you want to make their job harder, just do, say, and think whatever you like and want. In fact, the difference between an ignorant and an advanced practitioner lies in that the former acts, speaks, thinks chaotically, reacts to unrealized inner and outer stimuli, goes by the herd, while the latter has developed a certain sense of responsability, and rather does not act, speak, or even refrains from arbitrary thoughts, unless he/she has good reasons to do so.

Every lie weakens and eventually destroys the delicate inner organisations of our soul body, thus making it obtuse, and not a proper channeling tool.
And talking about things we do not really know, but we just believe in them by the power of some unrecognized authority, is still a lie, and it’s effects are the same. The bullet will do the same damage, regardless the intetions of the shooter.[/QUOTE]

WOW! Where did that come from?!

#15

[QUOTE=Hubert;33345]Every single thought, word, and action creates reverbarations and is entered in the Akasha Records. [/QUOTE]

So it would seem that this “Akasha Records” place is filled with information as time goes. So it would mean it doesn’t hold the information about future, as opposed to what Surya Deva said. What is the source of this thought?
So you would also think that omniscience would be an access to this library?

#16

No, because the causal plane(akashic records) already contains every single possibility in the universe. A timeline simply represents the actualization of one sequence. There is no space-time beyond the event horizon of space or vacuum. There is a complete collapse of space-time. This is strongly supported by the principle of non-locality in quantum mechanics.

Patanjali mentions that not only can we go backwards in time but forwards in time. This is why prophecy is possible. However, the prophecy only gives you one possible future read from the causal plane. Now the debate in Vedic science is if our entire timeline is completely determined can be read from the causal plane or whether no single timeline could be determined because it will always remain probablistic but that probability will always be accounted for in one of the possible futures in the causal plane. The debate between determinism and freedom is highly contentious and not even Vedic science can answer that one. I think only an omniscient being could answer that.

#17

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;33390]Now the debate in Vedic science is if our entire timeline is completely determined can be read from the causal plane or whether no single timeline could be determined because it will always remain probablistic but that probability will always be accounted for in one of the possible futures in the causal plane. The debate between determinism and freedom is highly contentious and not even Vedic science can answer that one. I think only an omniscient being could answer that.[/QUOTE]

Maybe those people taking part in this debate some have experience of access to causal plane? Is this debate based on scriptures or personal experiences? Are there any reports/examples of such access?

#18

[QUOTE=Pawel;33391]Maybe those people taking part in this debate some have experience of access to causal plane? Is this debate based on scriptures or personal experiences? Are there any reports/examples of such access?[/QUOTE]

Edgar Cayce is one of the best examples I can think of who could access the Akashic records.

I think you should pose this question on a psychic forum. You have much higher chance of finding somebody who has.

#19

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;33393]Edgar Cayce is one of the best examples I can think of who could access the Akashic records.

I think you should pose this question on a psychic forum. You have much higher chance of finding somebody who has.[/QUOTE]

Hm… I’m afraid I will be unable to sort out fantasies from real experiences. I sometimes feel that in “psychic” communities the criterion of truth is how amazing something sounds and they got defensive when you try to track the origin of experiences. My recent example was with past life memories. I met several people who have such memories - however they fail to explain how they distinguish whether given memory comes from the past life or whether it is result of imagination/fantasies. In this forum people are more mindful and in better position to give less biased account of experience. For example, if they would learn that there is no such thing as past life and karma, I believe majority of people would continue to practice yoga.

#20

Most of people claiming past lives are bunk definitely. I’ve had a regression done myself and it was complete bunk. Patanjali does indeed describe very clearly past-life regression and the basic principles used in past life regression are valid in that you begin by regressing from one thought to the previous one and following a causal chain. However, in order to follow this causal chain precisely you need perfect conscious control(samyama) and this is not possible without reaching samadhi in Yoga. So these people who are being regressed are not really going through the chain properly and they end up sidetracking into subconscious projections. This is why when they do report a past life it is based on information a contemporary person has about the past, rather than on historically accurate information.

On the other hand spontaneous recall of past life memories can be more valid and several studies done on this have produced very compelling evidence.