Quest for clarity: Omniscience

Spirituality
#21

[QUOTE=Hubert;33345]Every single thought, word, and action creates reverbarations and is entered in the Akasha Records. But there are some good librarians who deal with the junk. If you want to make their job harder, just do, say, and think whatever you like and want. In fact, the difference between an ignorant and an advanced practitioner lies in that the former acts, speaks, thinks chaotically, reacts to unrealized inner and outer stimuli, goes by the herd, while the latter has developed a certain sense of responsability, and rather does not act, speak, or even refrains from arbitrary thoughts, unless he/she has good reasons to do so.

Every lie weakens and eventually destroys the delicate inner organisations of our soul body, thus making it obtuse, and not a proper channeling tool.
And talking about things we do not really know, but we just believe in them by the power of some unrecognized authority, is still a lie, and it’s effects are the same. The bullet will do the same damage, regardless the intetions of the shooter.[/QUOTE]

:eek:

That was Awesome!

#22

However Hubert I’m not sure if I’m in agreement with the lying thing…

Sometimes I query myself with things I think may be false, vs things I think may be true . . . . plus also with varying degrees of gray and white and black somewhere in between.

Also the Akashic records. This is fascinating. So is it like a subtle builiding in the causal plane or something with all these books or what? Is it a point within the creation ?

Are its records simply intuitively known?

This maybe fanciful, yes, but I need a certain character to be able to have access to these records . . . or at least memories, but also future memory . . . for the story i’m working on. :slight_smile:

#23

Also the Akashic records. This is fascinating. So is it like a subtle builiding in the causal plane or something with all these books or what? Is it a point within the creation ?

The Akashic records can appear with any kind of imagery based on your cultural prejudices. Some will see it as a library containing books, some as a sacred temple with manuscripts, some as a computer, while others may experience it completely in impersonal ways.

As I said before the astral planes(I will include etheric, mental, causal and spiritual in this wide term) have both subjective and objective characteristics. The subjective part is created by your own subconscious and the objective part are actual structures inside the astral plane. However, as I pointed out before some astral researchers like Robert Monroe and Robert Bruce have reported that at certain levels in the astral there are completely objective places and beings which are exotic and made up of astral matter. There are apparently entire civilisations there and places that look similar to earth(only that they are etheric) There are also places which are objective to the extent that we can visit them and agree on them, but they are created by the imagination of humans such as the Christians heavens and hells.

The Buddhists and Hindus are right though. These are all just more levels to the illusion and ultimately unreal. They are all taking place in the mind and will dissolve into the mind at pralaya(the dissolution of the universe)

#24

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;33437]The Akashic records can appear with any kind of imagery based on your cultural prejudices. Some will see it as a library containing books, some as a sacred temple with manuscripts, some as a computer, while others may experience it completely in impersonal ways.

Makes sense to me?

As I said before the astral planes(I will include etheric, mental, causal and spiritual in this wide term) have both subjective and objective characteristics. The subjective part is created by your own subconscious and the objective part are actual structures inside the astral plane. However, as I pointed out before some astral researchers like Robert Monroe and Robert Bruce have reported that at certain levels in the astral there are completely objective places and beings which are exotic and made up of astral matter. There are apparently entire civilisations there and places that look similar to earth(only that they are etheric)

[B]Agreed.[/B]

There are also places which are objective to the extent that we can visit them and agree on them, but they are created by the imagination of humans such as the Christians heavens and hells.

Interesting.

The Buddhists and Hindus are right though. These are all just more levels to the illusion and ultimately unreal. They are all taking place in the mind and will dissolve into the mind at pralaya(the dissolution of the universe)[/QUOTE]

Ok. Ok. Ok. :stuck_out_tongue: Yes. Yes. Yes. All maya.

Now. How would someone with access to the akashic records find potential timelines for one specific person/character? Will? Asking the right question perhaps? Open sesame? Simply intention.

The means to access based on what works for you? Your cultural upbrining creating the perception? Your access through that perception. Your cultural upbrining creating the subjective experince / mechanism for access?

Yes I’m repeating you i think. I’m trying to work it out…

My head hurts…

#25

Yes it is purely intention and nothing else. The actual physics of it is more complex because everything that exists will have its own unique vibrational frequency in the causal plane. It maybe possible in the future to develop technology that could isolate ones vibrational frequency and look up their information in the causal plane. I have no doubt that advanced planets in our universe may have this technology.

Yes, you will access the causal plane through a subjective mechanism. This is simply because the causal plane is just pure information but this information does not take on any form unless there is something to access it and then formalize it. The form it takes therefore will depend on the cultural prejudices of that mind. In like manner, the entire physical plane is also just pure information and it does not take on physical form until the observer accesses it. However, in this case the cultural prejudices while playing a part, play a much lesser part, because this plane is more “objective” The higher planes are far less objective, even though they have objective characteristics.

#26

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;33390]No, because the causal plane(akashic records) already contains every single possibility in the universe. A timeline simply represents the actualization of one sequence. There is no space-time beyond the event horizon of space or vacuum. There is a complete collapse of space-time. This is strongly supported by the principle of non-locality in quantum mechanics. [/QUOTE]

So in this model causal plane/Akashic records would contain information about all possible states of universe. What about knowledge which would require some information processing? E.g. what is relationship between sun activity and my mood? Or how I would be affected by eating a piece of a tyre? :slight_smile: This is not information about state of past/present/future (hopefully). This may be knowledge of things that never could occur. And I would expect such knowledge a part of any claim of omniscience.

#27

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;33331]What have I said to give you that impression?! I think the body is an incredible example of the awe inspiring power of evolution . . .

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under the watchful eye of the almighty awesome…
:cool:

#28

[QUOTE=Pawel;33459]So in this model causal plane/Akashic records would contain information about all possible states of universe. What about knowledge which would require some information processing? E.g. what is relationship between sun activity and my mood? Or how I would be affected by eating a piece of a tyre? :slight_smile: This is not information about state of past/present/future (hopefully). This may be knowledge of things that never could occur. And I would expect such knowledge a part of any claim of omniscience.[/QUOTE]

This then is knowledge of how things interconnect. This knowledge is also available in the causal plane. As it contains the entire history of the object and its possible future states. In Samkhya philosophy all physical objects are preceded by mental objects. So if you were to trace the history of the sun prior to it existing as the physical sun it existed as the tanmatra of seeing. It came into existence because it serves a teleological purpose so that eyes can see and that life can thrive. All things that evolve in the physical world evolve only for the purpose of the soul(purusha) Hence why Yoga says, “The seen exists for the sake of the seer” So as soon as you go backwards in history from the physical where everything exists in isolation you start to realise how everything interconnect with other things like a network . So for example you may discover in the causal plane how your actions may have affected another person you don’t even know about.

However it is incredibly difficult thinking in terms of interconnections between so many things because we are so use to thinking binary. How do we connect all the dots thinking a butterfly flapping its wings maybe causing a hurricance somewhere or sometime.

I think some things especially when you talk about interconnections are just to difficult for our minds to grasp.

#29

[quote=Pawel;33384]So it would seem that this “Akasha Records” place is filled with information as time goes. So it would mean it doesn’t hold the information about future, as opposed to what Surya Deva said. What is the source of this thought?
So you would also think that omniscience would be an access to this library?[/quote]

Surya Deva is right and I can be right too. There is no conflict. The progression of time as we know it, belongs to a certain level of existence. On another level, it makes no sense asking what was before, or what will be after, as there is the world of timlessness. But based on what a seer experinces here and than on another level of existence, he will know what will come to pass. You yourself are able to predict quite accuratley the future movement of a snooker ball, as you have an experimental knowledge of the laws of mechanics ruling the physical reality. What if you had knowledge of all the laws governing human existence in a similar manner ? Is it really that far fetched to imagine that the word makes sense, and it exist by the power of laws (belonging to the plane of timlessness), and than these laws once realized and known, the future can be predicted ? The akashic record does not contain what will happen in the future, but what it contains now, plus the laws I talk about make it possible to forsee the course of certain events.

#30

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;33515]This then is knowledge of how things interconnect. This knowledge is also available in the causal plane. As it contains the entire history of the object and its possible future states. In Samkhya philosophy all physical objects are preceded by mental objects. So if you were to trace the history of the sun prior to it existing as the physical sun it existed as the tanmatra of seeing. It came into existence because it serves a teleological purpose so that eyes can see and that life can thrive. All things that evolve in the physical world evolve only for the purpose of the soul(purusha) Hence why Yoga says, “The seen exists for the sake of the seer” So as soon as you go backwards in history from the physical where everything exists in isolation you start to realise how everything interconnect with other things like a network . So for example you may discover in the causal plane how your actions may have affected another person you don’t even know about.

However it is incredibly difficult thinking in terms of interconnections between so many things because we are so use to thinking binary. How do we connect all the dots thinking a butterfly flapping its wings maybe causing a hurricance somewhere or sometime.[/QUOTE]

That is not a problem in this model of information in causal plane. Both butterfly and hurricane are states of some parts of universe. If all elements of the system are interconnected, then statement that butterfly caused a hurricane is just not valid. It was just one of the contributing factors that led to a hurricane. In “interconnectedness description” a state of the system in the future is a function of the whole state in the past - and there may be no clear cause-effect dependencies defined on isolated elements of the system.

But I think about something else. Information about state of the system does not hold information about more abstract properties of this system. E.g. I can have a mathematical function describing density of the ink in a poetry book, but there is no information in this function about meaning of the poems. Is meaning of the poem sort of entity/substance in causal plane?

#31

[QUOTE=The Scales;33494]under the watchful eye of the almighty awesome…
:cool:[/QUOTE]

Whatever works for you.

#32

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;33558]Whatever works for you.[/QUOTE]

:stuck_out_tongue:

It’s not a question of Whatever works. It’s a question of what is.

AND IT most certainly Is. Thank you very much.

No Ifs. No Maybe. No I have the Faith. No I believe.

I KNOW!!!

You poor poor hole dwelling devil.

Keep practicing. And no not downward dog and all this.

If you do . . . you will realize your self, and eventually realize the Almighty.

You should start with your self though . . . so you can pull your self out of that nasty hole your in.

#33

It’s not a question of Whatever works. It’s a question of what is.

AND IT most certainly Is. Thank you very much.

No Ifs. No Maybe. No I have the Faith. No I believe.

I KNOW!!!

You poor poor hole dwelling devil.

Keep practicing. And no not downward dog and all this.

If you do . . . you will realize your self, and eventually realize the Almighty.

You should start with your self though . . . so you can pull your self out of that nasty hole your in.[/QUOTE]

That’s exactly what Christians and Muslims say. They are all right. One thing I do know with great certainty is that you can believe in a God, but you can’t KNOW there is a God. I know you can’t know, and you know I know you can’t know.
Belief in god, is called faith. Knowing there’s god is called delusion.

#34

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;33571]That’s exactly what Christians and Muslims say. They are all right. One thing I do know with great certainty is that you can believe in a God, but you can’t KNOW there is a God. I know you can’t know, and you know I know you can’t know.
Belief in god, is called faith. Knowing there’s god is called delusion.[/QUOTE]

I agree with that. If by God we mean an entity transcending the reality then we can only believe in it. Because knowledge is just representation of reality by structures availably to our consciousness. So by definition you can’t describe (build the image) something transcending this world using language (or other structures of knowing) of this world. However, if by God we mean total existence of this world (with all this consciousness fabric of the reality) then I would say you may know. So I guess question is what do you mean by God.

#35

[QUOTE=Pawel;33576]I agree with that. If by God we mean an entity transcending the reality then we can only believe in it. Because knowledge is just representation of reality by structures availably to our consciousness. So by definition you can’t describe (build the image) something transcending this world using language (or other structures of knowing) of this world. However, if by God we mean total existence of this world (with all this consciousness fabric of the reality) then I would say you may know. So I guess question is what do you mean by God.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I’m not a fan of all this God is nature stuff. We all ready have a word for nature, it’s nature. I just use the term God to describe a supernatural being, and creator… that guy.

#36

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;33571]That’s exactly what Christians and Muslims say. They are all right. One thing I do know with great certainty is that you can believe in a God, but you can’t KNOW there is a God. I know you can’t know, and you know I know you can’t know.
Belief in god, is called faith. Knowing there’s god is called delusion.[/QUOTE]

No faith.
I get this all the time from the rationalists… Yes. All the time. They haven’t a clue. Think they can use their GOD GIVEN logic. and all their thinking. They think they so smart. I don’t want to hear no more of their sillyness. They think they got the right answer with their logic and IT ALWAYS IS “well you can’t really know” Tee hee I’m so smart they think. . “this guy is delusional they say, roll their eyes they do” but it is them that are in the most delusion. It is them in thier pit of darkness. babbling. TAH!!!

[B]I absolutely … positively … 100% know. [/B]

I know because I’ve seen. Simple as that.

Now quiet down with all this rational garbage. Get to your yoga. Quickly Go past asana. Then go see for your own self - EVENTUALLY.

No more thinking for you.

#37

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;33578]Yeah, I’m not a fan of all this God is nature stuff. We all ready have a word for nature, it’s nature. I just use the term God to describe a supernatural being, and creator… that guy.[/QUOTE]

Stop speaking.

Go yoga.

then come back and apologize to me for being silly.

#38

[QUOTE=The Scales;33585]No faith.
I get this all the time from the rationalists… Yes. All the time. They haven’t a clue. Think they can use their GOD GIVEN logic. and all their thinking. They think they so smart. I don’t want to hear no more of their sillyness. They think they got the right answer with their logic and IT ALWAYS IS “well you can’t really know” Tee hee I’m so smart they think. . “this guy is delusional they say, roll their eyes they do” but it is them that are in the most delusion. It is them in thier pit of darkness. babbling. TAH!!!

[B]I absolutely … positively … 100% know. [/B]

I know because I’ve seen. Simple as that.

Now quiet down with all this rational garbage. Get to your yoga. Quickly Go past asana. Then go see for your own self - EVENTUALLY.

No more thinking for you.[/QUOTE]

Ok, why do Christians KNOW 100% they are right, and your wrong. Why do Muslims KNOW 100 % they are right, and your wrong… and I suppose you just happen to be right, and they are wrong. Well isn’t that a coincidence? Isn’t that lucky the religion you picked happens to be the right one. lol

#39

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;33587]Ok, why do Christians KNOW 100% they are right, and your wrong. Why do Muslims KNOW 100 % they are right, and your wrong… and I suppose you just happen to be right, and they are wrong. Well isn’t that a coincidence? Isn’t that lucky the religion you picked happens to be the right one. lol[/QUOTE]

You misunderstand me.

I have no religion. All religions are mine. Yoga is the culmination of religion. It is the ultimate religion.

For through it (yoga) you can know your own self, and know that THAT (The Almighty) is. THrough EXPERIENCE OF IT.

Until they apply some form of yoga to their religion. It is blind faith, superstition . . .

All religions cannocial scriptures are in one way shape or form a treatise on Yoga. I assure you. Many don’t read them as such. They think thiers is best, the others are no good or wrong.
This is nonsense and lacking in discrimination.

[B]Their religion, what ever it is, only becomes meaningfull and fruitful through the yoga for the YOGA is the means to know.
[/B]

The Yogas are the science. It it the ONLY true method.

All the External forms (religions) are cultural…

#40

[QUOTE=The Scales;33599]You misunderstand me.

I have no religion. All religions are mine. Yoga is the culmination of religion. It is the ultimate religion. [/QUOTE]

How does that make sense?? You said ‘I have no religion’ ‘It is the ultimate religion’ That’s like saying ‘I have no food’ ‘I have the best food’

You can see the contradiction, can’t you??