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#61

Hi Yogiadam…(Surya, I think he really likes your posts, and you)

.Im going to try to stop sending lengthy posts…I cant even follow my own!!
and realise you are all quite tolerant with me…Thanks

I should have separated Hallucinations from this quote…'How can you see what is written about but you haven’t read it?..

What I really mean is how can you experience something, in detail, that others have experienced and you haven’t read about it beforehand so you have no knowledge of it.?

(i laughed myself into tears at the thought of lines of the bible say…appearing in front of me…like sky news bars !!! … now that would be something!!..I misled you…

next… “How can you have delusions when you haven’t got an aim?”… I’ve been re-reading this and trying to figure out what it means. Do delusions require some sort of aim? Maybe you could paraphrase, or elaborate on this, cause I’m not sure what you mean. [B](and neither have do I lol)
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I mean this…Surely a delusion comes from a [B]notion[/B] you have in your head …e.g. Delusions of Grandeur…this means that you have a notion, idea in your head that you are great in some way yes?

HOWEVER…if you noticed that by using the Ajna Chakra you discovered that you could hear conversations in real time, completely accurate in details and confirmed by the people involved, later, shocking them with the accuracy, time, etc…and then you wrote…I/we think we are great people,… I/we think we have powerful abilities that I/we have yet to develop,… I/we can travel the universe without leaving the spot we are on…WOULD that be called Delusions of Grandeur??? by the medics???
If it was called that…it would be wrong because it is based on facts not a notion or desire.

Lastly …Using Aids sufferers is not the example I was trying to make my point with…this is someone who has a sentence of potential death hanging over them…of course they need your help in the ways you offer. BUT the lady with an obsessional problem of thinking she is pregnant etc, for years, is showing all the signs of Entity attachment and people who fall into that category, are, in my humble opinion treatable in the way I described earlier.

JUST LOOK AT THE LENGTH…DAMM

#62

[QUOTE=kareng;40034]I mean this…Surely a delusion comes from a [B]notion[/B] you have in your head …e.g. Delusions of Grandeur…this means that you have a notion, idea in your head that you are great in some way yes?

I/we think we have powerful abilities that I/we have yet to develop,… I/we can travel the universe without leaving the spot we are on…WOULD that be called Delusions of Grandeur??? by the medics???
If it was called that…it would be wrong because it is based on facts not a notion or desire.

BUT the lady with an obsessional problem of thinking she is pregnant etc, for years, is showing all the signs of Entity attachment and people who fall into that category, are, in my humble opinion treatable in the way I described earlier.

JUST LOOK AT THE LENGTH…DAMM[/QUOTE]

As far as the lady with chronic schizophrenia who thinks she is pregnant goes, she will have this illness for the rest of her life. If there was a cure, they would have implemented it, and I said earlier, if you could offer a cure, you will be very famous and hailed as a medical hero.

OK, yes that does sound a bit like ‘delusions of grandeur’. You said that it is not, because it is based on facts. I would just make sure that those ‘facts’, are based on hard evidence. I used to think that I could reach enlightenment, based on my ‘facts’. Once I realized the ‘facts’ were actually delusions, the belief in enlightenment disappeared with the ‘facts’. If you do base your views on facts (which I agree, is the best approach), make sure you are certain beyond any reasonable doubt that these facts are true, trustworthy, and totally reliable. Otherwise, as I mentioned before, once you base any views on questionable facts, you completely blur the line between reality and fiction.

I must admit though, it’s not an easy path to rid yourself of delusions, as it’s these delusions that keep you feeling special, and important, and gives life an ultimate meaning. And it’s especially difficult when you are surrounded by others who are craving to feel important, and after ultimate meaning. You have to be super, super honest with yourself, and you have to face the reality that life may not have an ultimate meaning, and that you are simply one of billions of living things on the face of a tiny planet. You have to deal with big egos desperate to convince you what they believe. They are desperate for you to agree so they can be reassured and validated. EVERY religion has ‘facts’ and ‘evidence’. When I was was a Buddhist and then a Christian, I had ‘facts’ and ‘evidence’ for both.

The rewards for becoming atheist have been so immensely worth it though. I know deep down, I have been entirely honest with myself, I have looked at the evidence carefully and not manipulated any facts, I don’t ‘wonder’ weather I am right or wrong, cause I have reached my conclusions with honesty and integrity. I have developed the ability to say ‘I don’t know’, when I don’t know something’. This is why I love the scientific method. It has great integrity in that it says ‘I don’t know’, when it doesn’t have the answers. As you may have noticed on forums, you can get a lot of people who have all the answers all the time. That’s when you know when you are dealing with an insecure individual who is desperate to appear important. They would rather answer all the unanswerable questions, using assertions and conjecture, than to have the humility to say ‘hmmm, I’m not sure’. The irony is, that it is that approach that robs an individual of there credibility, integrity and humility, and instead appear desperate, arrogant, and lame.

Wow, I don’t know what happened there, I went off on a rant… sorry about that lol

#63

quote yogiadam…As far as the lady with chronic schizophrenia who thinks she is pregnant goes, she will have this illness for the rest of her life. If there was a cure, they would have implemented it, and I said earlier, if you could offer a cure, you will be very famous and hailed as a medical hero.

Trouble is the method im suggesting couldnt be put to the test…so one will never know its potential! for cure…

quote yogiadam…OK, yes that does sound a bit like ‘delusions of grandeur’. You said that it is not, because it is based on facts. I would just make sure that those ‘facts’, are based on hard evidence

Thing is Yogiadam…I know you know about yoga, kundalini yoga and the chakras…or at least you know some, yes?

And I know that some of the stuff I write appears ‘out there’ yes?

BUT the one thing that kind of bothers me is that with knowledge of what the Ajna chakra does, why do you and people doubt it?

What do people think a third eye implies? If not to see…and the rest

The chakra has control over seeing, [B]not only[/B] in the physical sense but in the mystical sense of seeing into the higher planes; intuitive seeing, clairvoyance and the other paranormal forms of knowing. And when active, the seat of Divine Intelligence. The Ajna center controls all higher mental activities. This includes intuitive thought, [B]rational thought [/B]and memory. Intuitive thought includes all forms of paranormal activity, including hearing from a distance.

Given that the above is explained in many texts, there still seems to be doubt of its authenticity, especially in the west…My reasons for harping on about Entitys is because Ive seen them…in third eye state…nasty ugly dudes!! Ive seen how they operate, I know how they enter us, I could even draw one, and most important, I know they can enter our realm of existence.

Im hoping you realise im not a nut and that I wouldn’t lie to you for the sake of needing to appear important. I am very secure in my self and cant be shaken by anyone on these points, not because im stubborn, or deluded but because im sure of what I know and extremely rational, to the point of test after test on these facts.

For me to deny the sheer power of the use Ajna chakra would just be plain stupid.

Quote Yogiadam I must admit though, it’s not an easy path to rid yourself of delusions, as it’s these delusions that keep you feeling special, and important, and gives life an ultimate meaning.

If I had never stumbled on the Ajan chakra and heart chakras my life would still have been rich. and for the sake of trying to answer the point you made of needing to perhaps feel spacial and …not to boast or brag… .Im classed as beautiful, very good figure as well…I have a good singing voice and a career there always if I choose it, Im smart, rational, not the jealous type, steady emotions. I consider myself a very very fortunate person in this life.
All the Ajna chakra and heart chakra have done is make me aware that i/we have much much more. That there are hidden dimensions with beings in them…and that the ancient texts dont lie to us, and the way out scenes mentioned throughout various religeous and Hindu and Buddhist texts are real!!
I would like a Scientific answer to these things that are…

Makes me laugh…quick post huh

#64

[QUOTE=kareng;40099]BUT the one thing that kind of bothers me is that with knowledge of what the Ajna chakra does, why do you and people doubt it?

What do people think a third eye implies? If not to see…and the rest[/QUOTE]

Just for the record, I think you are actually sane, no matter what you present. Besides which, I am not a doctor, and even if I was, a forum is no place to make an accurate diagnosis :D… The answer is the same for all the questions you’ve posted… there is simply no evidence. I can’t believe anything anymore without evidence, and I will elaborate to what extent… I know a particular individual at work who prays for me to turn to Jesus. I have had ‘discussions’ with her (basically me defending a religious attack from her), and when I brought up the subject of evidence, she told me how she prayed to god to let her know he was there, and a light appeared in font of her, and then jesus appeared from that light, and she got shivers down her spine etc… and that’s*her evidence. I had a similar experience when I was a Christian. I prayed to god for him to reveal himself, and during that night, a golden light came through the window, and all I felt was love and warmth. When I was a BUddhist, I was meditating and felt a sensation on my forehead, first like someone was touching a single point between my eyebrows, and then it felt like the area started to protrude.
So why did I experience sensations of ‘evidence’ for BOTH the religions I was in at different times? And why do followers of all DIFFERENT religions experience ‘evidence’ for their particular religion?
I couldn’t really satisfactorily answer this question until a Christian asked me “Oh yeah, well if you think your brain is just an advanced monkey brain, how do you know you can trust it?”… and bang!! There was the answer I’d been looking for! I know we have evolved. There’s is too much evidence to deny that. I know my brain is identical to a chimpanzees brain, only it’s a bit bigger. How can I trust it? I can’t, ultimately. The man’s question ended up shooting himself in the foot. I can’t trust my brain. This is why we do tests and experiments, we have ideas verified with other rational people. We don’t just believe everything we think, read, hear about, or even experience. The mind is powerful and can be very deceptive.
This is why when I say I require evidence, I require solid, mutually supporting evidence for phenomena. I can’t except circumstantial evidence, or evidence based on my own, or anyone else’s personal experience.

#65

So you would have no objection to me visiting you via the Ajna chakra?
Only with your permission, you have to trust me on that!!
I will give you my findings, Scientific experiment of course…Trousers required at all times…ha
Time needed as ill at present, contracted Glandular fever but ok

#66

[QUOTE=kareng;40171]So you would have no objection to me visiting you via the Ajna chakra?
Only with your permission, you have to trust me on that!!
I will give you my findings, Scientific experiment of course…Trousers required at all times…ha
Time needed as ill at present, contracted Glandular fever but ok[/QUOTE]

I’m not entirely sure what you are asking, but you absolutely have my permission :slight_smile:

#67

Ill get back to you with details in a bit

#68

Hi Yogiadam here’s the Scientific Test

  1. Remote viewing

Select a picture of anything you like. The scene must be distinct in that it is clear in image.

Preferably not too cluttered in image.

photocopy the image in colour, I dont want a glossy image leave a border around it.

Place the image FLAT, no folds, in an envelope.

Write the letters…[B]gzpf[/B]…EXACTLY do it in black ink, clearly and neatly.

Seal the envelope and put it on a shelf where you can clearly see it in your house.

Of course no one must know but you and donrt tell anyone…Im sure you get me.

  1. Remote viewing of an object not in an envelope

Select something, an object

Make sure the object is something I will identify easily…nothing weird.

Question…do you have a staircase?

#69

[QUOTE=kareng;40659]Hi Yogiadam here’s the Scientific Test

  1. Remote viewing

Select a picture of anything you like. The scene must be distinct in that it is clear in image.

Preferably not too cluttered in image.

photocopy the image in colour, I dont want a glossy image leave a border around it.

Place the image FLAT, no folds, in an envelope.

Write the letters…[B]gzpf[/B]…EXACTLY do it in black ink, clearly and neatly.

Seal the envelope and put it on a shelf where you can clearly see it in your house.

Of course no one must know but you and donrt tell anyone…Im sure you get me.

  1. Remote viewing of an object not in an envelope

Select something, an object

Make sure the object is something I will identify easily…nothing weird.

Question…do you have a staircase?[/QUOTE]

I don’t have staircase or a colour photocopier.

#70

What about at work…photocopier?

Ok no staircase then pick a place that is uncluttered where the object can be put and clearly seen

you have to tell me where it is placed…(I was gonna suggest you put it hanging from rails on staircase because its on its own there, if you get me) So I dont get it wrong and pick something close to it

Not doing it tonight so no rush…are you still eager to do this test…or are you having second thoughts, its okay if you are?

#71

No that’s OK. I’ll do it today.

#72

Dont forget to follow rules to the letter ok

let me know when yo have it done ok…I suggest we put this on a new thread to make it more interesting

Ill call it… Scientific experiment with remote viewing and Ajna Chakra …or ?..ok

watch me get it all wrong…ha…:eek: By the way, I haven’t done this before, with a specific set up so it is a daring challenge!!!

#73

Got to get off to bed in a bit…3am here…my dog is annoyed im still up and the parrot is huffing!:stuck_out_tongue:

#74

OK, Mission accomplished

#75

I’m intrigued.

#76

Hi Flex so am I !

Yogiadam…I just need to clarify

  1. You have put the picture, flat, in a letter and on the front of the letter you have put clearly the letters [B]gzpf[/B] all lower case and nothing else?

  2. you have chosen an object that you’ve placed in an uncluttered space so I cant be confused where it is.?

Question now is…where exactly have you put in, so I can hone in on it.?
Details I need are…Which room space…whats it on or wheres it hanging etc…

I also need your full name…Yogiadam and your full name combined well will stop me honing in on the wrong target…by this I mean there might be a yogiadam somewhere else or there might be another person with your real full name, but the two combined, I doubt if there will be.
Send your real name via PM ok…PS… promise im not a stalker :smiley: ha SCIENTIFIC EXPERIMENT!!! no time constraints

#77

[B]Yogiadam HAD A RETHINK.[/B]…[B].DONT[/B] answer the questions about where the object is (details) and your name of course, on a post [B]Answer them, via a PM ONLY.[/B]

Reason is I dont want others bombarding you …psychically…Part two of the experiment details must be kept between you and me to avoid this .

Part one will be okay.
ok…sorry got to get it right on my part! :stuck_out_tongue: