Religious pluralism vs Religious intolerance

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#32

[QUOTE=vata07;53447]hey i originally a part of one of the “abrahamic religions” and i’ll be the first to critisize them, which is why i have basically left. i believe that all paths are leading to the same thing and what bothered me about my “religion” is the refusal to acknowledge this. [B] intolerance is in no way an attribute of what i would consider a “loving God” (so i guess i’m an unorthodox christian, pseudo-christian, or just not really christian then, :p). [/B] either way what got me to respond was the obvious hypocrisy (and again, i understand your anger but still…). in responding in a similar manner to those persecuting you, you’ve basically lowered yourself to their level which in my opinion proves you’re no better than they are.[/QUOTE]

Some things. The bold Sparked a thought.

Undermine their logic. Truth stands while untruth will [I]eventually[/I] crumble.
This ‘undermining’ of their logic can be a fun game. Somewhere in a thread on these forums I basically underminded one of the dogmatic tennents of the whole of christendom…something to do with taking things on ‘faith’ which is a big thing in the christian religion.

Point out the Underlying Unities.

Speak of [I]their[/I] Yogas and encourage them in the pursuit of deeper understanding. The jews should look into Kabballah. The Muslims into the Sufis. The Christians into the gnosis.

Encourage the maintenance of an open mind and a more poetic reading of scripture.

Encourage not only study of their own but also cross pollination amongst the systems.

Also one must remember not everyone is at the same level.

Also one must remember that this world is not simply left to its own devices totally unattended. . .

#33

[QUOTE=vata07;53447]hey i originally a part of one of the “abrahamic religions” and i’ll be the first to critisize them, which is why i have basically left. i believe that all paths are leading to the same thing and what bothered me about my “religion” is the refusal to acknowledge this. intolerance is in no way an attribute of what i would consider a “loving God” (so i guess i’m an unorthodox christian, pseudo-christian, or just not really christian then, :p). either way what got me to respond was the obvious hypocrisy (and again, i understand your anger but still…). in responding in a similar manner to those persecuting you, you’ve basically lowered yourself to their level which in my opinion proves you’re no better than they are.[/QUOTE]

Just because all paths lead to the same end does not necessarily mean that the paths themselves are equal. Quite the opposite.

In Islam and Christianity, the paths are ridiculously long and difficult…filled with detours, unpaved roads, and fog/mist.

And these paths attempt to destroy the paths of others…they seek to create impassable chasms in the paths of other religions, with the only way across being their roads…that is why these ways must be broken up to let the trees and streams there flourish once again.

#34

[QUOTE=vata07;53441]wow…and how is this any different from what you’ve been accusing the “abrahamic religions” of doing to your religion?? ya’ know, there’s a single word that is often used to describe this type of behaviour, :rolleyes:. you’ve basically proven that you’re no different than they are.[/QUOTE]

So intellectually fighting against intolerance is also intolerance? I don’t find it amazing that you once subscribed to these demonic religions, since you seem to have inherited its bad logic.

#35

[QUOTE=vata07;53447]hey i originally a part of one of the “abrahamic religions” and i’ll be the first to critisize them, which is why i have basically left. i believe that all paths are leading to the same thing and what bothered me about my “religion” is the refusal to acknowledge this. intolerance is in no way an attribute of what i would consider a “loving God” (so i guess i’m an unorthodox christian, pseudo-christian, or just not really christian then, :p). either way what got me to respond was the obvious hypocrisy (and again, i understand your anger but still…). in responding in a similar manner to those persecuting you, you’ve basically lowered yourself to their level which in my opinion proves you’re no better than they are.[/QUOTE]

And Surya Deva and I are part of a race and country that

1). Has been murdered, raped, and subjugated by Christians and Muslims for 1000+ years (and still are).
2). That used to hold 22-23% of the world’s GDP but by the time of independence held 1-3%, due to Christian/Muslim raping.
3). Whose people used to be one of the wealthiest people in the world but was then reduced to 90% poverty levels by independence time (the effects are still apparent today), thanks to the rule of British excrement
4). Is run by anti-Hindu Muslims and Christians and is infected with anti-Hindu/Indian propaganda.
5). That is constantly undermined and ridiculed in Western media and academia.

So I think we Indians will be the first and foremost to criticize these religions of the Shaitans.

Once again, intellectually fighting against intolerance is hypocrisy? With your kind of (il)logic, you would be better off being a Christian than whatever you are now.

And tell me something; what avatar of Vishnu/Shiva destroyed evil through peaceful means? What avatar of Vishnu/Shiva ran to the wicked and gave them hugs, kisses, Samosas, Idlis, Pedas, Kaju Katlis, Gulab-Jamun, Pakoda, Murukul, Murmure, Kulfi, Prasadam, Ghee, and what not?

Tell me once you find an answer, cause I, in my entire life of reading the Puranas, have never seen a single case of this.

#36

[QUOTE=The Scales;53452]Some things. The bold Sparked a thought.

Undermine their logic. Truth stands while untruth will [I]eventually[/I] crumble.
This ‘undermining’ of their logic can be a fun game. Somewhere in a thread on these forums I basically underminded one of the dogmatic tennents of the whole of christendom…something to do with taking things on ‘faith’ which is a big thing in the christian religion.

Point out the Underlying Unities.

Speak of [I]their[/I] Yogas and encourage them in the pursuit of deeper understanding. The jews should look into Kabballah. The Muslims into the Sufis. The Christians into the gnosis.

Encourage the maintenance of an open mind and a more poetic reading of scripture.

Encourage not only study of their own but also cross pollination amongst the systems.

Also one must remember not everyone is at the same level.

Also one must remember that this world is not simply left to its own devices totally unattended. . .[/QUOTE]

Well said Scales. I myself used to think this at one point.

However, these religions have contradictory doctrines that will always inculcate an internal, doctrinal, or communal strife if a member chooses to follow an alternate path. It is unfortunate that the most intolerant/ignorant doctrines have come to prevail, diminishing the apparent viability of these alternate paths in the eyes of the majority of practitioners.

And they will not see. They refuse to see. That is why these religions must either go or reform themselves. Since the latter is not possible given the current circumstances and state of the world, the former is the only option left.

Perhaps in the course of the former option, they will come to see the Truth…I hope.

#37

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;53459]And Surya Deva and I are part of a race and country that

1). Has been murdered, raped, and subjugated by Christians and Muslims for 1000+ years (and still are).
2). That used to hold 22-23% of the world’s GDP but by the time of independence held 1-3%, due to Christian/Muslim raping.
3). Whose people used to be one of the wealthiest people in the world but was then reduced to 90% poverty levels by independence time (the effects are still apparent today), thanks to the rule of British excrement
4). Is run by anti-Hindu Muslims and Christians and is infected with anti-Hindu/Indian propaganda.
5). That is constantly undermined and ridiculed in Western media and academia.

So I think we Indians will be the first and foremost to criticize these religions of the Shaitans.

Once again, intellectually fighting against intolerance is hypocrisy? With your kind of (il)logic, you would be better off being a Christian than whatever you are now.

And tell me something; what avatar of Vishnu/Shiva destroyed evil through peaceful means? What avatar of Vishnu/Shiva ran to the wicked and gave them hugs, kisses, Samosas, Idlis, Pedas, Kaju Katlis, Gulab-Jamun, Pakoda, Murukul, Murmure, Kulfi, Prasadam, Ghee, and what not?

Tell me once you find an answer, cause I, in my entire life of reading the Puranas, have never seen a single case of this.[/QUOTE]
blah blah blah…:rolleyes: :rolleyes:… and how much progress do you think you’ve made in your 800+ posts in your “cause” to rid the world of the “abrahamic religions”???

#38

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;53460]Well said Scales. I myself used to think this at one point.

However, these religions have contradictory doctrines that will always inculcate an internal, doctrinal, or communal strife if a member chooses to follow an alternate path. It is unfortunate that the most intolerant/ignorant doctrines have come to prevail, diminishing the apparent viability of these alternate paths in the eyes of the majority of practitioners.

And they will not see. They refuse to see. That is why these religions must either go or reform themselves. Since the latter is not possible given the current circumstances and state of the world, the former is the only option left.

Perhaps in the course of the former option, they will come to see the Truth…I hope.[/QUOTE]

Could you dumb it down a bit for me. I don’t understand what your saying.

#39

[QUOTE=The Scales;53479]Could you dumb it down a bit for me. I don’t understand what your saying.[/QUOTE]

I don’t know if this is sarcasm or not. If it is, then:

“You’ve got a decent intellect…figure it out.”

#40

Fix’d.

#41

Nietzcsche, you really need to stop labelling everyone who makes a critical point against some of the things you say, a Christian or white supremist. It no longer carries any impact, because you use it pretty much on everyone. Even myself recently.

Vata asked a genuine question, what have you achieived in undermining the Abrahamic religions in your 800+ posts here? Have they weakened due to your effort? Are Hindus free of persectution now?

#42

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;53486]I don’t know if this is sarcasm or not. If it is, then:

“You’ve got a decent intellect…figure it out.”[/QUOTE]

I knew you’d say that.

It was in part sarcastic.

However that said -Because you looked down your nose at me after a compliment I didn’t want to spend the time trying to figure out what you were saying - as the presentation of your idea wasn’t apparent to me at first.

Get it?

#43

@Vata07,

Quote:
Originally Posted by vata07
I am a Christian who is pretending to be an admirer of Eastern religions in order to gain converts. I am a white supremacist and intolerant of other religions. Christianity is the only way and all other religions must be destroyed in order to make way for its ascendancy.
Fix’d.

He did the same to me, rewriting my post accusing me of being a white supremacist and intolerant. He got the white part right. He’s young and angry. At some point he will understand not all white people and westerners are bad.

#44

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;53487] I went to the vet’s and got myself Fix’d.[/QUOTE]

Hmmmmmmmmm:confused:

#45

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;53521]Nietzcsche, you really need to stop labelling everyone who makes a critical point against some of the things you say, a Christian or white supremist. It no longer carries any impact, because you use it pretty much on everyone. Even myself recently.

Vata asked a genuine question, what have you achieived in undermining the Abrahamic religions in your 800+ posts here? Have they weakened due to your effort? Are Hindus free of persectution now?[/QUOTE]

He said “blah blah…” in response to my post. A puerile comment to a post he found disagreeable. Therefore, I responded in kind to highlight the childish nature of his post. It was meant to be satire/cynical in nature and not a strawman. I apologize if that wasn’t clear.

What have you achieved in your 2000+ posts here? Raising awareness of course, the same thing I have achieved to various degrees by my 800+ posts. Sure the people here are too politically correct to see reason, but we have at least succeeded in getting these people “riled up” (in the sense of awareness). We have even succeeded in making some of them racist towards Indians, like Flex Penguin. Just look at the offensive statements he spouts about Indians, Hindus, and Hinduism in order to aggravate me and you. You and I have brought out his true nature.

Are the Abrahamic religions weakened due to our efforts? That depends on how you view “change.” We may not have changed the views of most of the people that post and visit here, but we have definitely altered it. Who knows, maybe the idea we implant will come to hold sooner or later. In my book, that is definitely a success.

#46

[QUOTE=lotusgirl;53557]@Vata07,

He did the same to me, rewriting my post accusing me of being a white supremacist and intolerant. He got the white part right. He’s young and angry. At some point he will understand not all white people and westerners are bad.[/QUOTE]

At some point, you will have to understand that everyone, include whole groups of people, have biases.

Whites and Christians have supremacist biases to begin with. It is as simple as that but you are too PC to grasp it.

You, in particular, have obvious anti-Hindu biases that anyone, who is not like you, can clearly see. You support the denigration of Hinduism, spread lies about the origin of Hinduism and Yoga, and condemn SD and I for passionately being intolerant of intolerance.

#47

[QUOTE=The Scales;53541]I knew you’d say that.

It was in part sarcastic.

However that said -Because you looked down your nose at me after a compliment I didn’t want to spend the time trying to figure out what you were saying - as the presentation of your idea wasn’t apparent to me at first.

Get it?[/QUOTE]

Good for you.

My compliment was sincere. Your response was not. Therefore, my response was equally insincere.

If you are not interested in having a sincere debate/conversation, then continue to play the semantics game. Either option doesn’t effect me in the slightest.

#48

What has Mr. S.D. accomplished through his posting activities?

He has grown and expanded.

Some.

You on the other hand. I can’t really tell one way or the other. But If I had to guess. I would say no growth for you.

Also if you think you’ve accomplished anything of significance you are mistaken. If perhaps you adjusted your attitude towards personable and away from angry internet guy perhaps you’d be . . . someday . . . someone to reckon with.

#49

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;53593]Good for you.

My compliment was sincere. Your response was not. Therefore, my response was equally insincere.

If you are not interested in having a sincere debate/conversation, then continue to play the semantics game. Either option doesn’t effect me in the slightest.[/QUOTE]

No my child. My response was just fine. I try to help you. I certainly do.

But you make it difficult for me because your such a complete one note - ass.

Your compliment was placed infront another comment that made my viewpoint look inferior to your “superior” view. Your view is not in any way superior to mine. It is infact the inferior view.

The correct approach is mine. The incorrect approach is yours. Why is mine so much better? Because I am wise. You are not.

There is no debate. Your not going to win anything.
I’m on your side.

#50

[QUOTE=The Scales;53594]What has Mr. S.D. accomplished through his posting activities?

He has grown and expanded.

Some.

You on the other hand. I can’t really tell one way or the other. But If I had to guess. I would say no growth for you.

Also if you think you’ve accomplished anything of significance you are mistaken. If perhaps you adjusted your attitude towards personable and away from angry internet guy perhaps you’d be . . . someday . . . someone to reckon with.[/QUOTE]

I did accomplish something, but not in the way you think of it.

#51

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;53598]I did accomplish something, but not in the way you think of it.[/QUOTE]

I know you are but what am I?