“Can the siddhis be awaken by autosuggestion or Nlp?”
Is such a question important ?
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;48193]“Can the siddhis be awaken by autosuggestion or Nlp?”
Is such a question important ?[/QUOTE]
Why do you ask me that?
It’s not important. But I just was wondering if it could be awaken by those ways.
It’s not important. But I just was wondering if it could be awaken by those ways.
You mean like repeating the affirmation “I believe I can fly, I believe I can fly, I believe I can fly” and then jumping of a cliff?
No I don’t think it works.
Hi Deicide,
“Why do you ask me that?”
People are far more interested in things like siddhis rather than the liberation of the mind.
“But I just was wondering if it could be awaken by those ways.”
Yes. There are countless methods. These siddhis are simply different aspects of one’s own mind, most of which are not functioning right now. You could awaken them through various means. Autosuggestion is one of them. In fact that is what happens when one concentrates upon a mantra with enough one-pointedness, you become hypnotized by it. In that hypnosis, certain parts of one’s unconscious become awakened which have certain capabilities. There are many ways to trigger them, either through mantras, yantras, meditation, breathing techniques, physical postures of the body, or drugs.
You mean like repeating the affirmation “I believe I can fly, I believe I can fly, I believe I can fly” and then jumping of a cliff?
No I don’t think it works.
Well, I thought that NLP or Autosuggestion could work because I had some lucid dreaming and Astral projection experiences with them.
Lucid dreaming and astral projection, however, do not give you control over matter. There is only one way of getting contorl over matter: Yoga. Do the practice and gradually refine your concentration power and eventually you will reach the stage where you can control matter.
Well, actualy there are other ways to awake siddhis, not only yoga.
And as for astral, I had a few experiences with astral projection that had effect on physical realm. Not a big deal but a bit yes.
Surya,
“There is only one way of getting control over matter: Yoga.”
Only those who have seen matter as a problem feel the need to control it. Neither is it possible to attain to absolute control over anything in existence, one’s being is a by product of so many forces which are beyond one’s control. And if everything arises out of one’s original nature, then there is absolutely nothing which is truly of one’s own doing, it is all being orchestrated by something which is far more fundamental which is at the very ground of your being.
“Well, actualy there are other ways to awake siddhis, not only yoga.”
Yes, there are. But this whole matter of clinging after these siddhis is ridiculous. It is simply a projection of the lust for power that man carries deep in the unconscious. And the stronger one feels a sense of inferiority, that one is not enough, that one’s being is incomplete, that something is lacking, is the stronger the desire to re-affirm oneself. It is the same game that one has been playing through one’s whole life, of constantly seeking and attaining only to find that whatsoever one attains in life cannot provide anything more than temporary satisfaction which only leaves one feeling empty.
Found your youtube clips very interesting…
Could you elaborate more on your meditative techniques and what you aim to achieve from meditation?
I think siddhis are just a way to know your own limits, the limits of your mind. I don’t see nothing wrong with experiment.
I heard that there are siddhis related with time travel, manipulating the time, space. Even teleportation…
Omamana, : )
“Could you elaborate more on your meditative techniques”
Meditation itself is not a technique. It is something that arises as a force of it’s own, you cannot do it. When the season is right, the lotus blooms by it’s own nature.
But if one is speaking of different methods that one can use to enter into meditation, that is something else entirely. As far as methods for entry into meditation, my practice has been Anapanasati (mindfulness of breathing), Vipassana (“insight” meditation), Shikantaza (“just sitting”), Koan (Zen form of meditation), Jangama Dhyana (concentration upon the ajna center), concentration upon the chakras, mantra dharana, yantra dharana, mantra and yantra dharana, and other techniques.
“and what you aim to achieve from meditation?”
Nothing whatsoever.
[QUOTE=Deicide;50468]I think siddhis are just a way to know your own limits, the limits of your mind. I don’t see nothing wrong with experiment.
I heard that there are siddhis related with time travel, manipulating the time, space. Even teleportation…[/QUOTE]
One may have heard many things, but one should not believe anything that has yet to enter into the realm of one’s own direct experience. It does not matter who says it, even if a Buddha is before you declaring it, it is irrelevant.
Dear all,
Im new to this forum. Got hear when I googled samyama and yoga. Some very interesting conversations here 
The only way you may experience samyama/ samadhi yoga, etc (whatever term in whatever faith) is through practise and only practise. Also, what is experienced genuinely can never be put into words.
But its good to discuss things at the initial level to help others and also help oneself.
If you would like to experience some of these, try watching the youtube of this Master…he has a lot of samyama instruction videos (from his own experience) and many other techniques that has helped me and so many others: Youtube: Deeper Insights into Astronomy and Astrology Nithyananda Satsangh 18 March 2011
Please bear in mind that experiences are unique to each person and cannot be compared or expected. Also, Im not promoting this Master, rather I’m saying that the techniques really work when you try do them with intensity and patience. The challenge is - being disciplined to practise what we preach is so hard…so if we can make the discipline to start, half the battle is won.
May us all be blissful!
“The challenge is - being disciplined to practise what we preach is so hard…so if we can make the discipline to start, half the battle is won.”
To become consistent in practice is difficult not because the path is difficult, but because man is a creature of habit. Because man is such a creature of habit, living in a deep sleep, all of these various different techniques and methods have been created just to help dissolve the psychological hindrances which are preventing oneself from coming to more awareness, otherwise such methods would not be needed. If one’s inner atmosphere is prepared for it - one’s enlightenment can happen in a split moment. That is what had happened to Ramana Maharishi. Without any training, without even being interested in the idea of enlightenment, without a master or a guru, just through a process of self inquiry which was intense - within a few minutes he came to his awakening. But such cases are as rare as one can imagine. In most cases - without practice, the possibility of coming to one’s awakening is just like an ant trying to conquer an ocean. What I have witnessed these days is that most people who are interested in “spirituality” simply continue collecting more and more borrowed knowledge, they continue gathering leaves and branches, but without ever coming to the roots. And the problem is that the desire for enlightenment is not something that can be forced into existence- it is something that happens naturally as a result of the growing maturity of a person.
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;63788]“The challenge is - being disciplined to practise what we preach is so hard…so if we can make the discipline to start, half the battle is won.”
To become consistent in practice is difficult not because the path is difficult, but because man is a creature of habit. Because man is such a creature of habit, living in a deep sleep, all of these various different techniques and methods have been created just to help dissolve the psychological hindrances which are preventing oneself from coming to more awareness, otherwise such methods would not be needed. If one’s inner atmosphere is prepared for it - one’s enlightenment can happen in a split moment. That is what had happened to Ramana Maharishi. Without any training, without even being interested in the idea of enlightenment, without a master or a guru, just through a process of self inquiry which was intense - within a few minutes he came to his awakening. But such cases are as rare as one can imagine. In most cases - without practice, the possibility of coming to one’s awakening is just like an ant trying to conquer an ocean. What I have witnessed these days is that most people who are interested in “spirituality” simply continue collecting more and more borrowed knowledge, they continue gathering leaves and branches, but without ever coming to the roots. And the problem is that the desire for enlightenment is not something that can be forced into existence- it is something that happens naturally as a result of the growing maturity of a person.[/QUOTE]
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Amir with regards to the above post i agree that method won’t be needed if the native’s inner atmosphere is prepared and in split seconds he can know himself. But when you quoted Maharishi Raman that “Without any training, without even being interested in the idea of enlightenment, without a master or a guru, just through a process of self inquiry which was intense - within a few minutes he came to his awakening.” ,you want to say that he was a rare case with regard to rest of your post,meaning as if his ground was prepared out of nowhere and for him method wasn’t necessary. He wasn’t a rare case but a special case and his ground was prepared out of discipline and rigorous practice like everyone else,but his ground was already prepared due to his spiritual practice in previous lifes and in this life just a small inquiry within him lead to his enlightenment. If you knew the subtle process of the law of cause and effect or the law of karma you would have not put him into a rare category differentiating from the rest of the seekers.
And with regards to the topic siddhis of the mind, i think you should refrain yourself from categorising siddhis some as real as you might have “experienced” it and other as delusional and fantasy just because you “haven’t experienced it”. You must have reached some conclusion out of your experience, which you consider as a final conclusion with this topic but remember experience are not an end in itself. “Borrowed knowledge” is a prerequisite for experience if you know this, so broaden your knowledge and thereby let other experience to be experienced before getting stuck to any of them and propogating your knowledge as a final say for Siddhis of mind ,as anyone sticking to your “borrowed knowledge” of yours would limit his experience. I would say to people use the knowledge but don’t stick to it neither to the experience that come forth with the knowledge, as knowledge and experience are not an end in itself.
To add to my above post amir i read that you say you have experienced samadhi,i hope that you really did. And you might know that samadhi is also not an end to experience,meaning what you might have experienced in that state doesn’t have a final say. There are various types and levels of samadhi like sabija,nirbija,savitarka,nirvitarka samadhi to name a few,and in every samadhi you experience various levels of consciousness and knowledge. The experiences in samadhi doesn’t remains always the same,rather its a chain of various states which by and by goes simpler and simpler opening levels of experience. I think you are at the “starting” point of various experiences but to stick or get stuck to any of them, and reach hasty conclusion as you do as in siddhis of mind is an illusion in itself. Hope you understand this and refrain from manipulation.
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? Evergreen fronds whisper to heaven
that it is sometimes easy to mistake
clouds for mountains.
~ trapped between worlds
Spirit,
“There are various types and levels of samadhi like sabija,nirbija,savitarka,nirvitarka samadhi to name a few,and in every samadhi you experience various levels of consciousness and knowledge. The experiences in samadhi doesn’t remains always the same,rather its a chain of various states which by and by goes simpler and simpler opening levels of experience.”
I am aware of that.
“I think you are at the “starting” point of various experiences”
Since my awakening, I have been in a state of samadhi for almost twenty four hours. I am familiar with those other forms of samadhi, but the moment you become attached to any state, you have raised a million obstacles which prevents you from moving further. Those who are entangled in such states, use them as great nourishment for their ego. Those who stand on the edge of their enlightenment, will seek to move beyond them.
“and reach hasty conclusion as you do as in siddhis of mind is an illusion in itself”
That is not what I have said. You have not understood.
Spirit,
"And with regards to the topic siddhis of the mind, i think you should refrain yourself from categorising siddhis some as real as you might have “experienced” it and other as delusional and fantasy just because you “haven’t experienced it”
It is not a question of my not experiencing it. If you take certain siddhis literally, such as the ability to reduce your body to the size of an atom, or the body becoming as large as the universe itself, then nobody has experienced such a thing. The physical body has to abide by physical laws, and it does not many siddhis you awaken, you can never get the sun to revolve around the Earth, and men are always going to be born from the womb of women. If, however, by “being reduced to the size of an atom”, or becoming as large as the universe, you mean an experience which has to do with the subtle bodies - then that is an entirely different matter. One should be careful to just fly with one’s imagination like a child and believe just about anything that is said on face value. “Levitaiton” - too, is not an experience of the body. And anybody who has said that he has levitated with the body is just deceiving you. There is, however, a certain experience where the life energies in one’s system start moving in a particular way, particularly apana, and the result is a certain state of consciousness where you feel as though you are so light - that you are floating upwards.