[QUOTE=YogiAdam;34044]Who said anything about Materialism? I don’t believe I have even used the word. All I’m saying, is there are things modern science can’t answer with any certainty. And I’m not prepared to guess an answer.[/QUOTE]
Materialism is the belief that everything is made out of matter, including mind and consciousness. As you reject metaphysics which is about there being non-material substances as well in existence such as minds and other methods of grasping such as using logic, then you must be a materialist.
Modern science has answered many things with certainty. It has demonstrated that there is no such thing as matter or laws of space and time, everything is just a wave of probability. It has proven that the world cannot exist without an observer. It has proven there are dimensions beyond the material world. It has proven that mind is not in the physical world(through non-locality) It has proven that the mind can and does interact with matter and these effects can be measured. It has proven levitation, teleportation and the existence of etheric forces(prana).
The various stages of meditation as decribed by yogis have also been proven by science to be real.
All of these are things Hinduism says. So Modern science is backing everything up about Hinduism. So if Hinduism is illogical, so is modern science.
Surya Deva
I recommend that you relearn your Physics. Modern science has not proven nor demonstrated that everything is a wave of probablility.
Science also has not proven dimensions beyond the material world. These are models and working theories, and just that. String Theory (in any form) has yet to show a true prediction. Even the most widely accepted theory (big bang) is still a theory. If we wanted to use Occams razor here, we would see that Theortical physics has become so complex that we are using 11 brane models (string theory again) to describe our universe. By default that would make it one of the most complex theories and therefore less probable.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34048] It has proven levitation, teleportation and the existence of etheric forces(prana). /QUOTE]
I don’t know what nutty websites you’ve been going on. There’s no real evidence for this nonsense… Levitation? Teleportation? Come on. Don’t fall for that load of crap.
Also, I don’t deny the metaphysical world. I just deny the ridiculous claims, like the one you just made. I’m embarrassed for you.
While science has proven telportation is possible, it is not in the sense of definition that we move one particle or person to a new position without traversing the distance in between. It merely means that we can transmit information from one particle to another (via quantum entanglement) just by changing the state one of the particles. Information is not substance at this level of our universe.
“This is called the Arch-yoga (Maha-yoga) where thou percievest the SUPREME SELF, which is eternal joy, in whom there is no deceit, and who is but I, the one Supreme Divinity. Other methods of yoga spoken of by the yogis in extensive treatises do not, taken all together, amount to one digit (kala, 1/16th) of this Essential yoga. That yoga in which the Liberated being can contemplate the Lord of the Universe is supreme among all yogas.”
EVERYONE MUST THINK MY SON IS THE BEST MAN IN THE WORLD BEACUSE HE IS WHITE AND AMERICAN. HE IS SO PRIVILIGED TO HAVE EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE SHOULD EMULATE/WORSHIP HIM DUE TO HIS PLACE IN THE WORLD. WITH HIS LARGE SALARY ($2500.00 AMERICAN DOLLARS PER YEAR) HE IS RICHER THAN 95% OF THE WORLD’S POPULATION. HE IS GOD. ALL SHOULD WISH TO BE LIKE HIM.
(nevermind the fact that his mother makes him go to bed at 8:30PM, he must eat his green beans, must take a bath everyday and not jump on my furniture)
No one is greater than anyone else. If we want a true “Pissing match” here…Brother Neil…My mat is bigger than yours.
[QUOTE=TeeA;34056]While science has proven telportation is possible, it is not in the sense of definition that we move one particle or person to a new position without traversing the distance in between. It merely means that we can transmit information from one particle to another (via quantum entanglement) just by changing the state one of the particles. Information is not substance at this level of our universe.[/QUOTE]
Good point… Admittedly, I blindly jumped to the conclusion that it was being inferred that humans can levitate and teleport.
[I]Laghima[/I], to have no weight, is the control of the effect of the earth’s attraction on the body by developing in each cell the opposite tendency. This is considered to be fairly easy to do and is used for the frequently performed act of levitation.
[I]Prapti[/I], to be transported anywhere. The adept can at will transport himself to any place in the world at any time . . .
[QUOTE=The Scales;34103][I]Laghima[/I], to have no weight, is the control of the effect of the earth’s attraction on the body by developing in each cell the opposite tendency. This is considered to be fairly easy to do and is used for the frequently performed act of levitation.
[I]Prapti[/I], to be transported anywhere. The adept can at will transport himself to any place in the world at any time . . .[/QUOTE]
I’ve never seen such a thing as a flying pink unicorn in scriptures, teachings nor shastras. So I think your lying.
However tricks and childs play such as levitation and other such amusements are all over in scripture, teachings, shastras, sutras, biographies and so on…
Science is ongoing and therefore can never be 'finished". It is gathering and organizing knowledge about nature and then condenses that knowledge into testable laws and theories. These testable laws and theories can be refined over time and cannot be considered certain.
Paleoanthropologist and writer Stephen Jay Gould states that facts are the worlds data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts.
Science does not assume it knows the truth. Science does not seek truth or certainty. No science theory can be proven with certainty. Facts, being the worlds data, involve not only testable elements but also involve interpretation. So, in science there is nothing certain. Because a theory is accepted as correct doesn’t mean it is infallibly certain. Facts, like theories are not certainties.
Everything in science is based on theory. I agree with TeeA that science has not proven that everything is a wave of probability. It is a theory. I am also not aware that science has proven with certainty that matter does not exist. Again everything is based on theory. What is your proof?
[QUOTE=lotusgirl;34108]Paleoanthropologist and writer Stephen Jay Gould states that facts are the worlds data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts.[/QUOTE]
I also love his quote, 'if you think you can understand Quantum theory, you don’t understand Quantum theory.
[QUOTE=The Scales;34107]I’ve never seen such a thing as a flying pink unicorn in scriptures, teachings nor shastras. So I think your lying.
However tricks and childs play such as levitation and other such amusements are all over in scripture, teachings, shastras, sutras, biographies and so on…
ALL OVER.[/QUOTE]
What I’m after is levitation in real life, not in scriptures. Scriptures are proof for squat!
TeeA, yes it has. I am not talking about String theory here. I am talking about Quantum Mechanics. I have read several books by actual quantum physicists that declare this themselves. It is proven beyond a reason of doubt that world is not made out of matter but information or waves of possiblity. It does not take any physical form until the observer collapses the wavefunction. We now know for a fact that the beyond the physical world exists a whole new dimension where in the universe exists as one entangled quantum system and is interacting with everything at all once. We can now use this new dimension for effects like quantum tunneling, quantum teleportation and quantum levitation. This is all proven stuff we have even been able to experimentally demonstrate it.
Yes, they can. I was having this debate with Pawel recently and he said that an object will always attract with a force of Gmm/r2. This has never proven to be wrong. Newtonian mechanics is still used in order to construct bridges, buildings, and calculate mechanicas of everyday things. It has never been proven to be wrong.
To say they are just “theoies” is a lazy new-ager argument. In science a theory is a model that best explains all observable facts in the world and can predict non unobservable facts. Quantum Mechanics not only explains all the observable facts in the world it also predicted many non observable facts which have all been empirically validated later. It is a vigorously tested theory and the most succesfull in the history of science, predicting things with the accuracy of a trillionth of a part.
Science does not assume it knows the truth. Science does not seek truth or certainty. No science theory can be proven with certainty. Facts, being the worlds data, involve not only testable elements but also involve interpretation. So, in science there is nothing certain. Because a theory is accepted as correct doesn’t mean it is infallibly certain. Facts, like theories are not certainties.
Science actually does seek truth or certainty, I don’t know who told you it didn’t. Science is certain about the observable world. If were were not certain about it we would not get on a roller coaster, or an aeroplane, just in case the law of conservation of energy was violated and the roller coaster ended up falling of the tracks or the plane ended up falling from the sky. It cannot say anything about the unobservable world, merely make predictions about it.
Quantum mechanics has now shown with a reason of doubt there is no such thing as physical matter. At the atomic level it is mostly empty space, the amount of matter in the universe is the equivalent of one spec in the middle of a large stadium. The rest is empty space. Then at the quantum level even that is negated because there is no space, time or matter beyond the final reduction of space. It then becomes nothing more a wave of possibility or information. And it has now been proven that this information does not become a particle without the observer. Quantum mechanics has been predicting this since the 1930’s, then later the test of the Bell inequalities further confirmed this, and finally today it has been empirically verified that the observer indeed collapses the wavefuncion. So we now without a reason of doubt that the physical world does not really exist without the observer and beyond the physical world reality is non-physical.
People who do not accept quantum mechanics has proven all of this this are simply people in denial. They are either materialists or Christians who want to keep science and religion separate. It has long been proven now, and now it is just a matter of developing technologies to use the quantum world. As the quantum world exists in another dimension we can use it to send information through it(quantum tunneling), eventually objects through it(quantum teleportation) and we can also use it to extract quantum forces(quantum levitation) and extract quantum energy(zero point energy) There is calculated to be enough energy within the space of a cup to evaporate all the oceans in the world.
We are poised to enter a whole new era of science: quantum science. This is none other than the pranic sciences of Hinduism. In Yoga prana is used to do all kinds of things generate forces to levitate objects(quantum levitation), extract energy from the ether(quantum), send communication though pranic channels(quantum tunneling) and teleport through pranic channels.
Welcome to the new pranic sciences of the 21st century:
Quantum teleportation:
The dream of teleporting atoms and molecules - and maybe even larger objects - has become a real possibility for the first time. The advance is thanks to physicists who have suggested a method that in theory could be used to "entangle" absolutely any kind of particle.
Quantum entanglement is the bizarre property that allows two particles to behave as one, no matter how far apart they are. If you measure the state of one particle, you instantly determine the state of the other. This could one day allow us to teleport objects by transferring their properties instantly from one place to another.
Until now, physicists have only been able to entangle photons, electrons and atoms, using different methods in each case. For instance, atoms are entangled by forcing them to interact inside an optical trap, while photons are made to interact with a crystal.
"These schemes are very specific," says Sougato Bose of the University of Oxford. But Bose and Dipankar Home, of the Bose Institute in Calcutta, have now demonstrated a single mechanism that could be used to entangle any particles, even atoms or large molecules.
PhysOrg.com) -- Usually when physicists talk about quantum teleportation, they're referring to the transfer of quantum states from one particle to another without a physical link. Now, physicists have investigated a slightly different form of teleportation, in which they teleport a quantum field, or an entire beam of light, from one location to another. This kind of "strong" teleportation is required for some quantum information applications, and could lead to the teleportation of quantum images.
Scientists Levitate Tiny Balls Using Quantum Mechanics
Friday, January 09, 2009
Print ShareThisCHICAGO — U.S. scientists have found a way to levitate the very smallest objects using the strange forces of quantum mechanics, and said on Wednesday they might use it to help make tiny nanotechnology machines.
They said they had detected and measured a force that comes into play at the molecular level using certain combinations of molecules that repel one another.
The repulsion can be used to hold molecules aloft, in essence levitating them, creating virtually friction-free parts for tiny devices, the researchers said.
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Federico Capasso, an applied physicist at Harvard University in Massachusetts, whose study appears in the journal Nature, said he believed that detection of this force opened the possibility of a whole new class of tiny gadgets.
The team, including researchers at the National Institutes of Health, has not yet levitated an object, but Capasso said he now knows how to do it.
"This is an experiment we are sure will work," he said.
Levitation has been elevated from being pure science fiction to science fact, according to a study reported today by physicists.
Now, in another report that sounds like it comes out of the pages of a Harry Potter book, the University of St Andrews team has created an 'incredible levitation effects’ by engineering the force of nature which normally causes objects to stick together.
Professor Ulf Leonhardt and Dr Thomas Philbin, from the University of St Andrews in Scotland, have worked out a way of reversing this pheneomenon, known as the Casimir force, so that it repels instead of attracts.
Their discovery could ultimately lead to frictionless micro-machines with moving parts that levitate But they say that, in principle at least, the same effect could be used to levitate bigger objects too, even a person.
The modern pranic sciences, are of course, still in their infancy. They have discovered the Akasha but at the moment they have only been able to use pranic channels within the akasha to work with only small objects and generate only small forces(casimir) So they are still behind Hindu pranic sciences which have mastered the akasha, classified all the 5 pranic forces(prana, apana, samana, vyana and udana) and have been able to map all the nadis(pranic pathways) in the human body through which quantum information is travelling. The Yogis have even been able to use the pranic channels to transport themselves through by collapsing themselves into a wavefunction and entering the akasha and travelling through the quantum channels to go to their desired location.
Patanjali mentions this explicitly in the Yogasutras 3.43:
By attaining perfect control of the relationship between the body and the akasha, the yogi is able to transform his body so it becomes light, via which the yogi gains passage through the akashic channels. This is the mastery of akasha.
Patanjali also mentions levitation using quantum forces in 3.40:
By attaining perfect control over the upwards/repulsive pranic force Udana, the yogi can walk over water, swamps, thorns without touching them. He can also levitate.
There is no doubt about it. The Eternal way is so-called only because it is an exact science of reality. Everything this exact-science says is being empirically verified today.
This makes it the ONLY one and true religion. Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism are all false religions and they need to be replaced by the Eternal Way.
SD- Quantum Mechanics is also known as Quantum Theory. Do you understand what a theory is?
I think you are misunderstanding what some of us are saying. I, for one, trust in science.
A good explanation from Stephen Hawking, one of the worlds leading authority on physics follows:
“Any sound scientific theory, whether of time or of any other concept, should in my opinion be based on the most workable philosophy of science: the positivist approach put forward by Karl Popper and others. According to this way of thinking, a scientific theory is a mathematical model that describes and codifies the observations we make. A good theory will describe a large range of phenomena on the basis of a few simple postulates and will make definite predictions that can be tested… If one takes the positivist position, as I do, one cannot say what time actually is. All one can do is describe what has been found to be a very good mathematical model for time and say what predictions it makes.” (The Universe In a Nutshell , p31
And with regard to science and religion, they are separate. Science is observations and theories. Religion is based on faith. There is no comparison. Religion is a system of beliefs based on holy texts such as the Bible. One of the main differences is how they each view truth. Scientist are searching for truth as they know it as the time. They know this will change the more observations we can make. Nothing is ever absolute. Religion believes that truth comes from holy texts and requires faith that what is written is true.
Ask any P.H.D. in the field of science and they will tell you that your views on this are not shared by the scientific community.
All tenets of the Eternal way are scientifically proven. It has already been shown about that akasha, prana and siddhis have been proven. Now let us look at the existence of the subtle body that transmigrates between lives and reincarnation:
The only people denying the scientific evidence are as I said earlier either materialists or Christians. The fact is very clear though the Eternal Way is the only religion in the world that has empirical proof for all its tenets.
Christiantiy, Islam and Judaism have no empirical proof at all for any of their tenets. There is no proof of a god, no proof of heaven and hell, no proof of adam and eve, no proof that Jesus is the lord or that accepting Jesus will guarantee you salvation after you die. Nothing at all. Zada. Zilch. But what there is proof of is that these religions are incredibly dangerous, regressive and violent and their history shows this clearly.
The only reliable, demonstrable and valid way of gaining any true knowledge is science. This is why the Eternal way is scientific.
