[QUOTE=The Scales;34107]I’ve never seen such a thing as a flying pink unicorn in scriptures, teachings nor shastras. So I think your lying.
However tricks and childs play such as levitation and other such amusements are all over in scripture, teachings, shastras, sutras, biographies and so on…
ALL OVER.[/QUOTE]
What I’m after is levitation in real life, not in scriptures. Scriptures are proof for squat!
TeeA, yes it has. I am not talking about String theory here. I am talking about Quantum Mechanics. I have read several books by actual quantum physicists that declare this themselves. It is proven beyond a reason of doubt that world is not made out of matter but information or waves of possiblity. It does not take any physical form until the observer collapses the wavefunction. We now know for a fact that the beyond the physical world exists a whole new dimension where in the universe exists as one entangled quantum system and is interacting with everything at all once. We can now use this new dimension for effects like quantum tunneling, quantum teleportation and quantum levitation. This is all proven stuff we have even been able to experimentally demonstrate it.
Yes, they can. I was having this debate with Pawel recently and he said that an object will always attract with a force of Gmm/r2. This has never proven to be wrong. Newtonian mechanics is still used in order to construct bridges, buildings, and calculate mechanicas of everyday things. It has never been proven to be wrong.
To say they are just “theoies” is a lazy new-ager argument. In science a theory is a model that best explains all observable facts in the world and can predict non unobservable facts. Quantum Mechanics not only explains all the observable facts in the world it also predicted many non observable facts which have all been empirically validated later. It is a vigorously tested theory and the most succesfull in the history of science, predicting things with the accuracy of a trillionth of a part.
Science does not assume it knows the truth. Science does not seek truth or certainty. No science theory can be proven with certainty. Facts, being the worlds data, involve not only testable elements but also involve interpretation. So, in science there is nothing certain. Because a theory is accepted as correct doesn’t mean it is infallibly certain. Facts, like theories are not certainties.
Science actually does seek truth or certainty, I don’t know who told you it didn’t. Science is certain about the observable world. If were were not certain about it we would not get on a roller coaster, or an aeroplane, just in case the law of conservation of energy was violated and the roller coaster ended up falling of the tracks or the plane ended up falling from the sky. It cannot say anything about the unobservable world, merely make predictions about it.
Quantum mechanics has now shown with a reason of doubt there is no such thing as physical matter. At the atomic level it is mostly empty space, the amount of matter in the universe is the equivalent of one spec in the middle of a large stadium. The rest is empty space. Then at the quantum level even that is negated because there is no space, time or matter beyond the final reduction of space. It then becomes nothing more a wave of possibility or information. And it has now been proven that this information does not become a particle without the observer. Quantum mechanics has been predicting this since the 1930’s, then later the test of the Bell inequalities further confirmed this, and finally today it has been empirically verified that the observer indeed collapses the wavefuncion. So we now without a reason of doubt that the physical world does not really exist without the observer and beyond the physical world reality is non-physical.
People who do not accept quantum mechanics has proven all of this this are simply people in denial. They are either materialists or Christians who want to keep science and religion separate. It has long been proven now, and now it is just a matter of developing technologies to use the quantum world. As the quantum world exists in another dimension we can use it to send information through it(quantum tunneling), eventually objects through it(quantum teleportation) and we can also use it to extract quantum forces(quantum levitation) and extract quantum energy(zero point energy) There is calculated to be enough energy within the space of a cup to evaporate all the oceans in the world.
We are poised to enter a whole new era of science: quantum science. This is none other than the pranic sciences of Hinduism. In Yoga prana is used to do all kinds of things generate forces to levitate objects(quantum levitation), extract energy from the ether(quantum), send communication though pranic channels(quantum tunneling) and teleport through pranic channels.
Welcome to the new pranic sciences of the 21st century:
Quantum teleportation:
The dream of teleporting atoms and molecules - and maybe even larger objects - has become a real possibility for the first time. The advance is thanks to physicists who have suggested a method that in theory could be used to "entangle" absolutely any kind of particle.
Quantum entanglement is the bizarre property that allows two particles to behave as one, no matter how far apart they are. If you measure the state of one particle, you instantly determine the state of the other. This could one day allow us to teleport objects by transferring their properties instantly from one place to another.
Until now, physicists have only been able to entangle photons, electrons and atoms, using different methods in each case. For instance, atoms are entangled by forcing them to interact inside an optical trap, while photons are made to interact with a crystal.
"These schemes are very specific," says Sougato Bose of the University of Oxford. But Bose and Dipankar Home, of the Bose Institute in Calcutta, have now demonstrated a single mechanism that could be used to entangle any particles, even atoms or large molecules.
PhysOrg.com) -- Usually when physicists talk about quantum teleportation, they're referring to the transfer of quantum states from one particle to another without a physical link. Now, physicists have investigated a slightly different form of teleportation, in which they teleport a quantum field, or an entire beam of light, from one location to another. This kind of "strong" teleportation is required for some quantum information applications, and could lead to the teleportation of quantum images.
Quantum levitation:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,478664,00.html
Scientists Levitate Tiny Balls Using Quantum Mechanics
Friday, January 09, 2009
Print ShareThisCHICAGO — U.S. scientists have found a way to levitate the very smallest objects using the strange forces of quantum mechanics, and said on Wednesday they might use it to help make tiny nanotechnology machines.
They said they had detected and measured a force that comes into play at the molecular level using certain combinations of molecules that repel one another.
The repulsion can be used to hold molecules aloft, in essence levitating them, creating virtually friction-free parts for tiny devices, the researchers said.
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Federico Capasso, an applied physicist at Harvard University in Massachusetts, whose study appears in the journal Nature, said he believed that detection of this force opened the possibility of a whole new class of tiny gadgets.
The team, including researchers at the National Institutes of Health, has not yet levitated an object, but Capasso said he now knows how to do it.
"This is an experiment we are sure will work," he said.
Levitation has been elevated from being pure science fiction to science fact, according to a study reported today by physicists.
Now, in another report that sounds like it comes out of the pages of a Harry Potter book, the University of St Andrews team has created an 'incredible levitation effects’ by engineering the force of nature which normally causes objects to stick together.
Professor Ulf Leonhardt and Dr Thomas Philbin, from the University of St Andrews in Scotland, have worked out a way of reversing this pheneomenon, known as the Casimir force, so that it repels instead of attracts.
Their discovery could ultimately lead to frictionless micro-machines with moving parts that levitate But they say that, in principle at least, the same effect could be used to levitate bigger objects too, even a person.
The modern pranic sciences, are of course, still in their infancy. They have discovered the Akasha but at the moment they have only been able to use pranic channels within the akasha to work with only small objects and generate only small forces(casimir) So they are still behind Hindu pranic sciences which have mastered the akasha, classified all the 5 pranic forces(prana, apana, samana, vyana and udana) and have been able to map all the nadis(pranic pathways) in the human body through which quantum information is travelling. The Yogis have even been able to use the pranic channels to transport themselves through by collapsing themselves into a wavefunction and entering the akasha and travelling through the quantum channels to go to their desired location.
Patanjali mentions this explicitly in the Yogasutras 3.43:
By attaining perfect control of the relationship between the body and the akasha, the yogi is able to transform his body so it becomes light, via which the yogi gains passage through the akashic channels. This is the mastery of akasha.
Patanjali also mentions levitation using quantum forces in 3.40:
By attaining perfect control over the upwards/repulsive pranic force Udana, the yogi can walk over water, swamps, thorns without touching them. He can also levitate.
There is no doubt about it. The Eternal way is so-called only because it is an exact science of reality. Everything this exact-science says is being empirically verified today.
This makes it the ONLY one and true religion. Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism are all false religions and they need to be replaced by the Eternal Way.
SD- Quantum Mechanics is also known as Quantum Theory. Do you understand what a theory is?
I think you are misunderstanding what some of us are saying. I, for one, trust in science.
A good explanation from Stephen Hawking, one of the worlds leading authority on physics follows:
“Any sound scientific theory, whether of time or of any other concept, should in my opinion be based on the most workable philosophy of science: the positivist approach put forward by Karl Popper and others. According to this way of thinking, a scientific theory is a mathematical model that describes and codifies the observations we make. A good theory will describe a large range of phenomena on the basis of a few simple postulates and will make definite predictions that can be tested… If one takes the positivist position, as I do, one cannot say what time actually is. All one can do is describe what has been found to be a very good mathematical model for time and say what predictions it makes.” (The Universe In a Nutshell , p31
And with regard to science and religion, they are separate. Science is observations and theories. Religion is based on faith. There is no comparison. Religion is a system of beliefs based on holy texts such as the Bible. One of the main differences is how they each view truth. Scientist are searching for truth as they know it as the time. They know this will change the more observations we can make. Nothing is ever absolute. Religion believes that truth comes from holy texts and requires faith that what is written is true.
Ask any P.H.D. in the field of science and they will tell you that your views on this are not shared by the scientific community.
All tenets of the Eternal way are scientifically proven. It has already been shown about that akasha, prana and siddhis have been proven. Now let us look at the existence of the subtle body that transmigrates between lives and reincarnation:
The existence of the subtle body:
http://cref.tripod.com/tucsonpaper.htm
http://www.victorzammit.com/book/chapter07.html
http://www.parapsych.org/out_of_body_experiences.htm
http://www.towardthelight.org/nearde...suchapter.html
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence02.html
The existence of reincarnation:
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Reincarnation-3284/Proof.htm
http://paranormal.about.com/cs/reinc...a/aa081103.htm
http://hubpages.com/hub/reincarnationevidence
http://www.pureinsight.org/node/1165
The only people denying the scientific evidence are as I said earlier either materialists or Christians. The fact is very clear though the Eternal Way is the only religion in the world that has empirical proof for all its tenets.
Christiantiy, Islam and Judaism have no empirical proof at all for any of their tenets. There is no proof of a god, no proof of heaven and hell, no proof of adam and eve, no proof that Jesus is the lord or that accepting Jesus will guarantee you salvation after you die. Nothing at all. Zada. Zilch. But what there is proof of is that these religions are incredibly dangerous, regressive and violent and their history shows this clearly.
The only reliable, demonstrable and valid way of gaining any true knowledge is science. This is why the Eternal way is scientific.
Ask any P.H.D. in the field of science and they will tell you that your views on this are not shared by the scientific community.
It does not matter what the scientific community think. What matters is what the evidence is showing us not the views of people. The fact is actual quantum physicists have proven quantum teleportation, quantum levitation and the existence of a whole new subtle world(quantum world) The fact that the physical world is an illusion is also proven:
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/27640
Quantum physics says goodbye to reality
Some physicists are uncomfortable with the idea that all individual quantum events are innately random. This is why many have proposed more complete theories, which suggest that events are at least partially governed by extra “hidden variables”. Now physicists from Austria claim to have performed an experiment that rules out a broad class of hidden-variables theories that focus on realism – giving the uneasy consequence that reality does not exist when we are not observing it (Nature 446 871).
Some 40 years ago the physicist John Bell predicted that many hidden-variables theories would be ruled out if a certain experimental inequality were violated – known as “Bell’s inequality”. In his thought experiment, a source fires entangled pairs of linearly-polarized photons in opposite directions towards two polarizers, which can be changed in orientation. Quantum mechanics says that there should be a high correlation between results at the polarizers because the photons instantaneously “decide” together which polarization to assume at the moment of measurement, even though they are separated in space. Hidden variables, however, says that such instantaneous decisions are not necessary, because the same strong correlation could be achieved if the photons were somehow informed of the orientation of the polarizers beforehand.
Bell’s trick, therefore, was to decide how to orient the polarizers only after the photons have left the source. If hidden variables did exist, they would be unable to know the orientation, and so the results would only be correlated half of the time. On the other hand, if quantum mechanics was right, the results would be much more correlated – in other words, Bell’s inequality would be violated.
Many realizations of the thought experiment have indeed verified the violation of Bell’s inequality. These have ruled out all hidden-variables theories based on joint assumptions of realism, meaning that reality exists when we are not observing it; and locality, meaning that separated events cannot influence one another instantaneously. But a violation of Bell’s inequality does not tell specifically which assumption – realism, locality or both – is discordant with quantum mechanics.
Markus Aspelmeyer, Anton Zeilinger and colleagues from the University of Vienna, however, have now shown that realism is more of a problem than locality in the quantum world. They devised an experiment that violates a different inequality proposed by physicist Anthony Leggett in 2003 that relies only on realism, and relaxes the reliance on locality. To do this, rather than taking measurements along just one plane of polarization, the Austrian team took measurements in additional, perpendicular planes to check for elliptical polarization.
I already told you a theory in the scientific world does not mean just a guess or a conjecture, it is an entire model that explains all observable facts in the world and makes predictions of unobservables. It does not claim to have know ultimately what anything is such as “time” or “gravity” but it certainly can explain the observable facts. Based on observable facts we have been able to prove the existence of the quantum world and disproven th old common sensetheory of there being a physical world. Whatever it is, it ain’t physical.
As for religion and science. If religion is based on “faith” then it is not testable and should be dismissed. There is no place for faith in a scientific age. Hindusim is then by that definition not a religion then because its tenets are testable, empirically demonstrable, and arrived at using a scientific method(perception and inference) So either it is through and through science or it is a scientific religion.
Either way the Eternal way is the only true way out there. It will replace all religions of the world this century and this proces is already underway through the new-age movement.
SD-
There is no discussing ANY topic with you. Pure and simple. I do hope that someday on your path you will learn tolerance, humility and how to listen. We all struggle with these, and others, from time to time. None of us know all, but we continue to search for meaning and knowledge. Hopefully we listen and learn.
You cannot discuss with me because I have refuted you without a reason of doubt. You are too haughty and arrogant to admit it you have been proven wrong.
I must say that new-agers like youself lotus girl(Yes, you are a fluffy new-ager) often attack science and belittle it, and yet will gladly use all the technologies science produces like its computers, cars, aeroplanes. This proves you folks to be the hypocrites you are. Now here you are attacking quantum mechanics(just a theory cop-out) and you will probably be the first to use the quantum technologies when they come out 
(Actually, by the way the computer is a quantum technology!)
The fact of the matter while you are here BSing me with the “it’s a theory” talk, actual scientists are as we speak working on teleporting objects and sending information several miles through quantum channels.
I thought of many things to say in response to your attack. I will take the higher path and not share them.
[QUOTE=lotusgirl;34143]I thought of many things to say in response to your attack. I will take the higher path and not share them.[/QUOTE]
You are not taking a higher path at all. You are definitely lower on the intellectual level. Else, you not have gone all mardy and thrown the toys out of the pen when I categorically proved your “It’s a theory” cop-out argument wrong.
The reason that you people cannot stand the heat in an argument is not because you are morally superior so you want to take the high ground, it is because you are intellectually inferior, incapable of proving your point, so you flee.
Dang cleetus.
Yes yes all the siddhis are true. But still. All maya.
I don’t think Ramakrishna could read . . . but still great saint.
Sadhu sitting on the dirt. No inner renounciation. Yet still divine. Namaste.
Lets say I’m staring at a rock… I’m staring and staring and staring. I’m focusing on this rock…for a time.
Gradually I begin to see the colors of the sublte elements that make up this rock.
Then I start to see its vibrational frequency . . . it’s pretty slow…
Maybe if I controled my own vibrational frequency and made it slower than the rock i could put my finger through it?
That would be a Neat trick.
[QUOTE=TeeA;34069]EVERYONE MUST THINK MY SON IS THE BEST MAN IN THE WORLD BEACUSE HE IS WHITE AND AMERICAN. HE IS SO PRIVILIGED TO HAVE EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE SHOULD EMULATE/WORSHIP HIM DUE TO HIS PLACE IN THE WORLD. WITH HIS LARGE SALARY ($2500.00 AMERICAN DOLLARS PER YEAR) HE IS RICHER THAN 95% OF THE WORLD’S POPULATION. HE IS GOD. ALL SHOULD WISH TO BE LIKE HIM.
(nevermind the fact that his mother makes him go to bed at 8:30PM, he must eat his green beans, must take a bath everyday and not jump on my furniture) 
No one is greater than anyone else. If we want a true “Pissing match” here…Brother Neil…My mat is bigger than yours. :)[/QUOTE]
This is a strawman. Your son is a child and is dependent on you. He is not an independent adult who made made his own life.
Of course people are greater than others. Buddha was wiser than you, Einstien was smarter than you, Bradd Pitt is probably better looking than you and Arnie is stronger than you.
Only people who are insecure say things like, “No one greater than anyone else” because they can’t accept they are in fact inferior to so many people out there.
The caste system is the most logical system to organize society. You organize society according to the aptitude of the people. If you have not much aptitude
for anything you are assigned as a labourer. If you have good calculating and management skills you are assigned a merchant. If you have great intellectual ability
you are assigned a teacher etc. Although every person has equal functional value because society needs all to function properly, it is clear that the merchant is
higher than the labourer, and the teacher is higher than the merchant.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34147]This is a strawman. Your a son a child and is dependent on you. He is not an independent adult who made made his own life.
Of course people are greater than others. Buddha was wiser than you, Einsteni was smarter than you, Bradd Pitt is probably better looking than you and Arnie in stronger than you.
Only people who are insecure say things like, “No one greater than anyone else” because they can’t accept they are in fact inferior to so many people out there.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes. But at core. Same essential nature. Same Taste. Same self. Same divinity.
The only difference is Karma and nothing else.
[QUOTE=The Scales;34148]Ah yes. But at core. Same essential nature. Same Taste. Same self. Same divinity.
The only difference is Karma and nothing else.[/QUOTE]
Karma makes all the difference. It decides whether you will have the life of a frog or a prince.
Everybody is potentially divine. However potential is not actual.
Surya Deva,
“If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don’t understand quantum mechanics.”
You, being the authority on physics, have surely heard this saying among fellow physicists. Unless of course you’re just someone who has read a few physics books and done a little bit of research on the internet.
Also, that “b.s” that Lotusgirl was giving you about “it’s a theory”— She is right. It’s called quantum theory. Acknowledging that these things are theories is most definitely not the same as dismissing them.
May I ask you what your educational background is?
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34144]You are not taking a higher path at all. You are definitely lower on the intellectual level. Else, you not have gone all mardy and thrown the toys out of the pen when I categorically proved your “It’s a theory” cop-out argument wrong.
You have done no such thing! I just know when there is no point. I don’t need to win to know what is correct by ALL scientific standards.
The reason that you people cannot stand the heat in an argument is not because you are morally superior so you want to take the high ground, it is because you are intellectually inferior, incapable of proving your point, so you flee.[/QUOTE]
When you say “you people” it sounds an awful lot like bigotry. Again, there was no need to prove my point. Science has done that. Never said I was morally superior either. I had a choice which path to take in my response. I chose to not respond and be compassionate.