The Eternal Way

All tenets of the Eternal way are scientifically proven. It has already been shown about that akasha, prana and siddhis have been proven. Now let us look at the existence of the subtle body that transmigrates between lives and reincarnation:

The existence of the subtle body:

http://cref.tripod.com/tucsonpaper.htm
http://www.victorzammit.com/book/chapter07.html
http://www.parapsych.org/out_of_body_experiences.htm
http://www.towardthelight.org/nearde...suchapter.html
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence02.html

The existence of reincarnation:

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Reincarnation-3284/Proof.htm
http://paranormal.about.com/cs/reinc...a/aa081103.htm
http://hubpages.com/hub/reincarnationevidence
http://www.pureinsight.org/node/1165

The only people denying the scientific evidence are as I said earlier either materialists or Christians. The fact is very clear though the Eternal Way is the only religion in the world that has empirical proof for all its tenets.

Christiantiy, Islam and Judaism have no empirical proof at all for any of their tenets. There is no proof of a god, no proof of heaven and hell, no proof of adam and eve, no proof that Jesus is the lord or that accepting Jesus will guarantee you salvation after you die. Nothing at all. Zada. Zilch. But what there is proof of is that these religions are incredibly dangerous, regressive and violent and their history shows this clearly.

The only reliable, demonstrable and valid way of gaining any true knowledge is science. This is why the Eternal way is scientific.

Ask any P.H.D. in the field of science and they will tell you that your views on this are not shared by the scientific community.

It does not matter what the scientific community think. What matters is what the evidence is showing us not the views of people. The fact is actual quantum physicists have proven quantum teleportation, quantum levitation and the existence of a whole new subtle world(quantum world) The fact that the physical world is an illusion is also proven:

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/27640

Quantum physics says goodbye to reality

Some physicists are uncomfortable with the idea that all individual quantum events are innately random. This is why many have proposed more complete theories, which suggest that events are at least partially governed by extra “hidden variables”. Now physicists from Austria claim to have performed an experiment that rules out a broad class of hidden-variables theories that focus on realism – giving the uneasy consequence that reality does not exist when we are not observing it (Nature 446 871).

Some 40 years ago the physicist John Bell predicted that many hidden-variables theories would be ruled out if a certain experimental inequality were violated – known as “Bell’s inequality”. In his thought experiment, a source fires entangled pairs of linearly-polarized photons in opposite directions towards two polarizers, which can be changed in orientation. Quantum mechanics says that there should be a high correlation between results at the polarizers because the photons instantaneously “decide” together which polarization to assume at the moment of measurement, even though they are separated in space. Hidden variables, however, says that such instantaneous decisions are not necessary, because the same strong correlation could be achieved if the photons were somehow informed of the orientation of the polarizers beforehand.

Bell’s trick, therefore, was to decide how to orient the polarizers only after the photons have left the source. If hidden variables did exist, they would be unable to know the orientation, and so the results would only be correlated half of the time. On the other hand, if quantum mechanics was right, the results would be much more correlated – in other words, Bell’s inequality would be violated.

Many realizations of the thought experiment have indeed verified the violation of Bell’s inequality. These have ruled out all hidden-variables theories based on joint assumptions of realism, meaning that reality exists when we are not observing it; and locality, meaning that separated events cannot influence one another instantaneously. But a violation of Bell’s inequality does not tell specifically which assumption – realism, locality or both – is discordant with quantum mechanics.

Markus Aspelmeyer, Anton Zeilinger and colleagues from the University of Vienna, however, have now shown that realism is more of a problem than locality in the quantum world. They devised an experiment that violates a different inequality proposed by physicist Anthony Leggett in 2003 that relies only on realism, and relaxes the reliance on locality. To do this, rather than taking measurements along just one plane of polarization, the Austrian team took measurements in additional, perpendicular planes to check for elliptical polarization.


I already told you a theory in the scientific world does not mean just a guess or a conjecture, it is an entire model that explains all observable facts in the world and makes predictions of unobservables. It does not claim to have know ultimately what anything is such as “time” or “gravity” but it certainly can explain the observable facts. Based on observable facts we have been able to prove the existence of the quantum world and disproven th old common sensetheory of there being a physical world. Whatever it is, it ain’t physical.

As for religion and science. If religion is based on “faith” then it is not testable and should be dismissed. There is no place for faith in a scientific age. Hindusim is then by that definition not a religion then because its tenets are testable, empirically demonstrable, and arrived at using a scientific method(perception and inference) So either it is through and through science or it is a scientific religion.

Either way the Eternal way is the only true way out there. It will replace all religions of the world this century and this proces is already underway through the new-age movement.

SD-

There is no discussing ANY topic with you. Pure and simple. I do hope that someday on your path you will learn tolerance, humility and how to listen. We all struggle with these, and others, from time to time. None of us know all, but we continue to search for meaning and knowledge. Hopefully we listen and learn.

You cannot discuss with me because I have refuted you without a reason of doubt. You are too haughty and arrogant to admit it you have been proven wrong.

I must say that new-agers like youself lotus girl(Yes, you are a fluffy new-ager) often attack science and belittle it, and yet will gladly use all the technologies science produces like its computers, cars, aeroplanes. This proves you folks to be the hypocrites you are. Now here you are attacking quantum mechanics(just a theory cop-out) and you will probably be the first to use the quantum technologies when they come out :smiley: (Actually, by the way the computer is a quantum technology!)

The fact of the matter while you are here BSing me with the “it’s a theory” talk, actual scientists are as we speak working on teleporting objects and sending information several miles through quantum channels.

I thought of many things to say in response to your attack. I will take the higher path and not share them.

[QUOTE=lotusgirl;34143]I thought of many things to say in response to your attack. I will take the higher path and not share them.[/QUOTE]

You are not taking a higher path at all. You are definitely lower on the intellectual level. Else, you not have gone all mardy and thrown the toys out of the pen when I categorically proved your “It’s a theory” cop-out argument wrong.

The reason that you people cannot stand the heat in an argument is not because you are morally superior so you want to take the high ground, it is because you are intellectually inferior, incapable of proving your point, so you flee.

Dang cleetus.

Yes yes all the siddhis are true. But still. All maya.

I don’t think Ramakrishna could read . . . but still great saint.

Sadhu sitting on the dirt. No inner renounciation. Yet still divine. Namaste.

Lets say I’m staring at a rock… I’m staring and staring and staring. I’m focusing on this rock…for a time.

Gradually I begin to see the colors of the sublte elements that make up this rock.

Then I start to see its vibrational frequency . . . it’s pretty slow…

Maybe if I controled my own vibrational frequency and made it slower than the rock i could put my finger through it?

That would be a Neat trick.

[QUOTE=TeeA;34069]EVERYONE MUST THINK MY SON IS THE BEST MAN IN THE WORLD BEACUSE HE IS WHITE AND AMERICAN. HE IS SO PRIVILIGED TO HAVE EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE SHOULD EMULATE/WORSHIP HIM DUE TO HIS PLACE IN THE WORLD. WITH HIS LARGE SALARY ($2500.00 AMERICAN DOLLARS PER YEAR) HE IS RICHER THAN 95% OF THE WORLD’S POPULATION. HE IS GOD. ALL SHOULD WISH TO BE LIKE HIM.
(nevermind the fact that his mother makes him go to bed at 8:30PM, he must eat his green beans, must take a bath everyday and not jump on my furniture) :slight_smile:

No one is greater than anyone else. If we want a true “Pissing match” here…Brother Neil…My mat is bigger than yours. :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :)[/QUOTE]

This is a strawman. Your son is a child and is dependent on you. He is not an independent adult who made made his own life.

Of course people are greater than others. Buddha was wiser than you, Einstien was smarter than you, Bradd Pitt is probably better looking than you and Arnie is stronger than you.

Only people who are insecure say things like, “No one greater than anyone else” because they can’t accept they are in fact inferior to so many people out there.

The caste system is the most logical system to organize society. You organize society according to the aptitude of the people. If you have not much aptitude
for anything you are assigned as a labourer. If you have good calculating and management skills you are assigned a merchant. If you have great intellectual ability
you are assigned a teacher etc. Although every person has equal functional value because society needs all to function properly, it is clear that the merchant is
higher than the labourer, and the teacher is higher than the merchant.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34147]This is a strawman. Your a son a child and is dependent on you. He is not an independent adult who made made his own life.

Of course people are greater than others. Buddha was wiser than you, Einsteni was smarter than you, Bradd Pitt is probably better looking than you and Arnie in stronger than you.

Only people who are insecure say things like, “No one greater than anyone else” because they can’t accept they are in fact inferior to so many people out there.[/QUOTE]

Ah yes. But at core. Same essential nature. Same Taste. Same self. Same divinity.

The only difference is Karma and nothing else.

[QUOTE=The Scales;34148]Ah yes. But at core. Same essential nature. Same Taste. Same self. Same divinity.

The only difference is Karma and nothing else.[/QUOTE]

Karma makes all the difference. It decides whether you will have the life of a frog or a prince.

Everybody is potentially divine. However potential is not actual.

Surya Deva,

“If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don’t understand quantum mechanics.”

You, being the authority on physics, have surely heard this saying among fellow physicists. Unless of course you’re just someone who has read a few physics books and done a little bit of research on the internet.

Also, that “b.s” that Lotusgirl was giving you about “it’s a theory”— She is right. It’s called quantum theory. Acknowledging that these things are theories is most definitely not the same as dismissing them.

May I ask you what your educational background is?

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34144]You are not taking a higher path at all. You are definitely lower on the intellectual level. Else, you not have gone all mardy and thrown the toys out of the pen when I categorically proved your “It’s a theory” cop-out argument wrong.

You have done no such thing! I just know when there is no point. I don’t need to win to know what is correct by ALL scientific standards.

The reason that you people cannot stand the heat in an argument is not because you are morally superior so you want to take the high ground, it is because you are intellectually inferior, incapable of proving your point, so you flee.[/QUOTE]

When you say “you people” it sounds an awful lot like bigotry. Again, there was no need to prove my point. Science has done that. Never said I was morally superior either. I had a choice which path to take in my response. I chose to not respond and be compassionate.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34149]Karma makes all the difference. It decides whether you will have the life of a frog or a prince.

Everybody is potentially divine. However potential is not actual.[/QUOTE]

Um . . .

There’s no potentially about it…

I’m referring to the same chunk of consciousness that is the essential core of all beings.

You know. THe self. The seer . The purusha. whatever you want to call it.

the thing that gets “namasted” ???

Whether frog or prince . . . same essential core. Come on you know this!

[QUOTE=Vulpes vulpes;34152]Surya Deva,

“If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don’t understand quantum mechanics.”

You, being the authority on physics, have surely heard this saying among fellow physicists. Unless of course you’re just someone who has read a few physics books and done a little bit of research on the internet.

Also, that “b.s” that Lotusgirl was giving you about “it’s a theory”— She is right. It’s called quantum theory. Acknowledging that these things are theories is most definitely not the same as dismissing them.

May I ask you what your educational background is?[/QUOTE]

I have a first class degree in Philosophy, with a specialization in Philosophy of Science and did my dissertation on Hinduism and Quantum physics and was awarded with distinction. This obviously required me to read a lot of academic literature on quantum physics. I also attended talks by quantum physicists.

I think suffice it to say I know what I am talking about.

I do not claim to understand quantum physics. I do know, however, what quantum physics has proven and that is there is another plane beyond the physical world of space-time known as the quantum. It is equivalent to the akasha in Hinduism, and this has also been pointed out by the famous philosopher of science Erwin Lazslo. This quantum plane, because it has no space-time laws, can be used for instant communication of information. As all objects are fundamentally information all objects can be turned into quantum objects and communicated through the quantum channels.

It has also been proven recently that very large objects can be turned into quantum objects. As I just cited earlier this is exactly how Patanjali explains the yogis are able to teleport. They gain first something called perfect control(samayama) which is basically a state of perfect resonance with the quantum field and then they are able to collapse themselves into a wavefunction and then they gain passage into the quantum channels. We know for a fact through the phenomenon of quantum tunneling that particles do collapse into wavefunctions.

The fact that the exact method is being described by Patanjali(with the exception that this is through the use of mind and not technology) with equivalent terminology proves that the same thing is being described. This must mean that yogis obviously really could teleport. And so can we if we attain perfect control(samayama)

Quantum mechanics basically proves Hinduism is a true religion. That nothing that it says is a matter of faith, but it is scientific fact. This is why I have declared very boldly at the start the new religion of humanity is going to be Hinduism - the eternal way. This is the religion of individuals each on a quest to reach self-realization and actualization of all their potentials. It is the religion of people who have the will to power, high self-esteem, assertiveness and confidence to accomplish whatever they want.

[QUOTE=lotusgirl;34153]When you say “you people” it sounds an awful lot like bigotry. Again, there was no need to prove my point. Science has done that. Never said I was morally superior either. I had a choice which path to take in my response. I chose to not respond and be compassionate.[/QUOTE]

Science has not proven your point. It has proven my point. Read all the links I provided they are all supporting my point.

You did indeed imply you were morally superior by saying this " I will take the higher path and not share them." In this context “higher” is a claim by you to moral superiority. However, I showed it for what it really was, you were losing an argument and you could not accept defeat, so you fled with an excuse that you were being morally superior by not arguing. In that case you would not have entered the argument at any point.

[QUOTE=The Scales;34155]Um . . .

There’s no potentially about it…

I’m referring to the same chunk of consciousness that is the essential core of all beings.

You know. THe self. The seer . The purusha. whatever you want to call it.

the thing that gets “namasted” ???

Whether frog or prince . . . same essential core. Come on you know this![/QUOTE]

This is what Sankara said to one of his arrogant students who started claiming he was god. He said that he was a fool to claim he was god, because he had not actually realised it. First realise it, then claim you are god. I do not claim I am god, but I claim that I have the potential of god. As do you and everybody else.

At this moment in your spiritual evolution you are not god.

I have a first class degree in Philosophy, with a specialization in Philosophy of Science and did my dissertation on Hinduism and Quantum physics and was awarded with distinction. This obviously required me to read a lot of academic literature on quantum physics. I also attended talks by quantum physicists.

I think suffice it to say I know what I am talking about.

I do not claim to understand quantum physics. I do know, however, what quantum physics has proven and that is there is another plane beyond the physical world of space-time known as the quantum. It is equivalent to the akasha in Hinduism, and this has also been pointed out by the famous philosopher of science Erwin Lazslo. This quantum plane, because it has no space-time laws, can be used for instant communication of information. As all objects are fundamentally information all objects can be turned into quantum objects and communicated through the quantum channels.

It has also been proven recently that very large objects can be turned into quantum objects. As I just cited earlier this is exactly how Patanjali explains the yogis are able to teleport. They gain first something called perfect control(samayama) which is basically a state of perfect resonance with the quantum field and then they are able to collapse themselves into a wavefunction and then they gain passage into the quantum channels. We know for a fact through the phenomenon of quantum tunneling that particles do collapse into wavefunctions.

The fact that the exact method is being described by Patanjali(with the exception that this is through the use of mind and not technology) with equivalent terminology proves that the same thing is being described. This must mean that yogis obviously really could teleport. And so can we if we attain perfect control(samayama)

Quantum mechanics basically proves Hinduism is a true religion. That nothing that it says is a matter of faith, but it is scientific fact. This is why I have declared very boldly at the start the new religion of humanity is going to be Hinduism - the eternal way. This is the religion of individuals each on a quest to reach self-realization and actualization of all their potentials. It is the religion of people who have the will to power, high self-esteem, assertiveness and confidence to accomplish whatever they want

Impressive.

How do we attain perfect control?
How has teleportation been achieved solely by using the mind?

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34158]This is what Sankara said to one of his arrogant students who started claiming he was god. He said that he was a fool to claim he was god, because he had not actually realised it. First realise it, then claim you are god. I do not claim I am god, but I claim that I have the potential of god. As do you and everybody else.

At this moment in your spiritual evolution you are not god.[/QUOTE]

Ah so you don’t know this…

I think your confused on the finer points of your religion.

“The reintegrated being, the yogi, having churned the four wisdoms (vedas) and all scriptures, enjoy their cream, their essence. The learned get only the butter milk.” - Jnanasankalini tantra 51

How do we attain perfect control?

It is achieived by following Patanjali’s 8 fold path which I have outlined and described in some detail in others places. I will basically give a very brief overview: You first train your mind using mindfulness, moderation and practicing non-attachment in daily life(yama and niyamas). Then you must train your body using physical exercises in Yoga(asanas) and breathing exercises(pranayama) in order to cultivate your pranic body(quantum body) this will allow for the pranic channels to become clear and they will be able to recieve more pranic energy and your chakras will start to function better. This is a necessary preparation before you begin the second set of steps which is meditation. It will give you greater control over your prana. In the second steps you will consciously withdraw your prana from the external senses into your mind as a result of which your senses will shut off and you will begin to introvert into the mind(pratyahara) At this stage you will be bombarded with lucid visions emanating from your subconscious(memories, fantasies, thought impresisons) after a while these will recede and your mind will become completely empty. At this stage you will start meditation by choosing an object as a focal point. If you are able to maintain concentration on the object without any disturbance of a thought, you will enter into deep meditation(dhyana) and finally samadhi(absolute absorption) whereby you will lose complete awareness of yourself and only have object-awareness. This is when you reach a state of perfect resonance with the object deep at the quantum level.

How has teleportation been achieved solely by using the mind?

When you reach that level of perfect resonance you become aware of the relation between you and the quantum space and your entire body will collapse into its wavefunction and enter into the quantum space. You navigate through the channels in the quantum space to go to any location you want. This is done simply by thinking of the location you want to go to whereby you entangle your body and that location and then can transmit yourself through the pathway created.