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There is no discussing ANY topic with you. Pure and simple. I do hope that someday on your path you will learn tolerance, humility and how to listen. We all struggle with these, and others, from time to time. None of us know all, but we continue to search for meaning and knowledge. Hopefully we listen and learn.
You cannot discuss with me because I have refuted you without a reason of doubt. You are too haughty and arrogant to admit it you have been proven wrong.
I must say that new-agers like youself lotus girl(Yes, you are a fluffy new-ager) often attack science and belittle it, and yet will gladly use all the technologies science produces like its computers, cars, aeroplanes. This proves you folks to be the hypocrites you are. Now here you are attacking quantum mechanics(just a theory cop-out) and you will probably be the first to use the quantum technologies when they come out 
(Actually, by the way the computer is a quantum technology!)
The fact of the matter while you are here BSing me with the “it’s a theory” talk, actual scientists are as we speak working on teleporting objects and sending information several miles through quantum channels.
I thought of many things to say in response to your attack. I will take the higher path and not share them.
[QUOTE=lotusgirl;34143]I thought of many things to say in response to your attack. I will take the higher path and not share them.[/QUOTE]
You are not taking a higher path at all. You are definitely lower on the intellectual level. Else, you not have gone all mardy and thrown the toys out of the pen when I categorically proved your “It’s a theory” cop-out argument wrong.
The reason that you people cannot stand the heat in an argument is not because you are morally superior so you want to take the high ground, it is because you are intellectually inferior, incapable of proving your point, so you flee.
Dang cleetus.
Yes yes all the siddhis are true. But still. All maya.
I don’t think Ramakrishna could read . . . but still great saint.
Sadhu sitting on the dirt. No inner renounciation. Yet still divine. Namaste.
Lets say I’m staring at a rock… I’m staring and staring and staring. I’m focusing on this rock…for a time.
Gradually I begin to see the colors of the sublte elements that make up this rock.
Then I start to see its vibrational frequency . . . it’s pretty slow…
Maybe if I controled my own vibrational frequency and made it slower than the rock i could put my finger through it?
That would be a Neat trick.
[QUOTE=TeeA;34069]EVERYONE MUST THINK MY SON IS THE BEST MAN IN THE WORLD BEACUSE HE IS WHITE AND AMERICAN. HE IS SO PRIVILIGED TO HAVE EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE SHOULD EMULATE/WORSHIP HIM DUE TO HIS PLACE IN THE WORLD. WITH HIS LARGE SALARY ($2500.00 AMERICAN DOLLARS PER YEAR) HE IS RICHER THAN 95% OF THE WORLD’S POPULATION. HE IS GOD. ALL SHOULD WISH TO BE LIKE HIM.
(nevermind the fact that his mother makes him go to bed at 8:30PM, he must eat his green beans, must take a bath everyday and not jump on my furniture) 
No one is greater than anyone else. If we want a true “Pissing match” here…Brother Neil…My mat is bigger than yours. :)[/QUOTE]
This is a strawman. Your son is a child and is dependent on you. He is not an independent adult who made made his own life.
Of course people are greater than others. Buddha was wiser than you, Einstien was smarter than you, Bradd Pitt is probably better looking than you and Arnie is stronger than you.
Only people who are insecure say things like, “No one greater than anyone else” because they can’t accept they are in fact inferior to so many people out there.
The caste system is the most logical system to organize society. You organize society according to the aptitude of the people. If you have not much aptitude
for anything you are assigned as a labourer. If you have good calculating and management skills you are assigned a merchant. If you have great intellectual ability
you are assigned a teacher etc. Although every person has equal functional value because society needs all to function properly, it is clear that the merchant is
higher than the labourer, and the teacher is higher than the merchant.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34147]This is a strawman. Your a son a child and is dependent on you. He is not an independent adult who made made his own life.
Of course people are greater than others. Buddha was wiser than you, Einsteni was smarter than you, Bradd Pitt is probably better looking than you and Arnie in stronger than you.
Only people who are insecure say things like, “No one greater than anyone else” because they can’t accept they are in fact inferior to so many people out there.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes. But at core. Same essential nature. Same Taste. Same self. Same divinity.
The only difference is Karma and nothing else.
[QUOTE=The Scales;34148]Ah yes. But at core. Same essential nature. Same Taste. Same self. Same divinity.
The only difference is Karma and nothing else.[/QUOTE]
Karma makes all the difference. It decides whether you will have the life of a frog or a prince.
Everybody is potentially divine. However potential is not actual.
Surya Deva,
“If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don’t understand quantum mechanics.”
You, being the authority on physics, have surely heard this saying among fellow physicists. Unless of course you’re just someone who has read a few physics books and done a little bit of research on the internet.
Also, that “b.s” that Lotusgirl was giving you about “it’s a theory”— She is right. It’s called quantum theory. Acknowledging that these things are theories is most definitely not the same as dismissing them.
May I ask you what your educational background is?
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34144]You are not taking a higher path at all. You are definitely lower on the intellectual level. Else, you not have gone all mardy and thrown the toys out of the pen when I categorically proved your “It’s a theory” cop-out argument wrong.
You have done no such thing! I just know when there is no point. I don’t need to win to know what is correct by ALL scientific standards.
The reason that you people cannot stand the heat in an argument is not because you are morally superior so you want to take the high ground, it is because you are intellectually inferior, incapable of proving your point, so you flee.[/QUOTE]
When you say “you people” it sounds an awful lot like bigotry. Again, there was no need to prove my point. Science has done that. Never said I was morally superior either. I had a choice which path to take in my response. I chose to not respond and be compassionate.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34149]Karma makes all the difference. It decides whether you will have the life of a frog or a prince.
Everybody is potentially divine. However potential is not actual.[/QUOTE]
Um . . .
There’s no potentially about it…
I’m referring to the same chunk of consciousness that is the essential core of all beings.
You know. THe self. The seer . The purusha. whatever you want to call it.
the thing that gets “namasted” ???
Whether frog or prince . . . same essential core. Come on you know this!
[QUOTE=Vulpes vulpes;34152]Surya Deva,
“If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don’t understand quantum mechanics.”
You, being the authority on physics, have surely heard this saying among fellow physicists. Unless of course you’re just someone who has read a few physics books and done a little bit of research on the internet.
Also, that “b.s” that Lotusgirl was giving you about “it’s a theory”— She is right. It’s called quantum theory. Acknowledging that these things are theories is most definitely not the same as dismissing them.
May I ask you what your educational background is?[/QUOTE]
I have a first class degree in Philosophy, with a specialization in Philosophy of Science and did my dissertation on Hinduism and Quantum physics and was awarded with distinction. This obviously required me to read a lot of academic literature on quantum physics. I also attended talks by quantum physicists.
I think suffice it to say I know what I am talking about.
I do not claim to understand quantum physics. I do know, however, what quantum physics has proven and that is there is another plane beyond the physical world of space-time known as the quantum. It is equivalent to the akasha in Hinduism, and this has also been pointed out by the famous philosopher of science Erwin Lazslo. This quantum plane, because it has no space-time laws, can be used for instant communication of information. As all objects are fundamentally information all objects can be turned into quantum objects and communicated through the quantum channels.
It has also been proven recently that very large objects can be turned into quantum objects. As I just cited earlier this is exactly how Patanjali explains the yogis are able to teleport. They gain first something called perfect control(samayama) which is basically a state of perfect resonance with the quantum field and then they are able to collapse themselves into a wavefunction and then they gain passage into the quantum channels. We know for a fact through the phenomenon of quantum tunneling that particles do collapse into wavefunctions.
The fact that the exact method is being described by Patanjali(with the exception that this is through the use of mind and not technology) with equivalent terminology proves that the same thing is being described. This must mean that yogis obviously really could teleport. And so can we if we attain perfect control(samayama)
Quantum mechanics basically proves Hinduism is a true religion. That nothing that it says is a matter of faith, but it is scientific fact. This is why I have declared very boldly at the start the new religion of humanity is going to be Hinduism - the eternal way. This is the religion of individuals each on a quest to reach self-realization and actualization of all their potentials. It is the religion of people who have the will to power, high self-esteem, assertiveness and confidence to accomplish whatever they want.
[QUOTE=lotusgirl;34153]When you say “you people” it sounds an awful lot like bigotry. Again, there was no need to prove my point. Science has done that. Never said I was morally superior either. I had a choice which path to take in my response. I chose to not respond and be compassionate.[/QUOTE]
Science has not proven your point. It has proven my point. Read all the links I provided they are all supporting my point.
You did indeed imply you were morally superior by saying this " I will take the higher path and not share them." In this context “higher” is a claim by you to moral superiority. However, I showed it for what it really was, you were losing an argument and you could not accept defeat, so you fled with an excuse that you were being morally superior by not arguing. In that case you would not have entered the argument at any point.
[QUOTE=The Scales;34155]Um . . .
There’s no potentially about it…
I’m referring to the same chunk of consciousness that is the essential core of all beings.
You know. THe self. The seer . The purusha. whatever you want to call it.
the thing that gets “namasted” ???
Whether frog or prince . . . same essential core. Come on you know this![/QUOTE]
This is what Sankara said to one of his arrogant students who started claiming he was god. He said that he was a fool to claim he was god, because he had not actually realised it. First realise it, then claim you are god. I do not claim I am god, but I claim that I have the potential of god. As do you and everybody else.
At this moment in your spiritual evolution you are not god.
I have a first class degree in Philosophy, with a specialization in Philosophy of Science and did my dissertation on Hinduism and Quantum physics and was awarded with distinction. This obviously required me to read a lot of academic literature on quantum physics. I also attended talks by quantum physicists.
I think suffice it to say I know what I am talking about.
I do not claim to understand quantum physics. I do know, however, what quantum physics has proven and that is there is another plane beyond the physical world of space-time known as the quantum. It is equivalent to the akasha in Hinduism, and this has also been pointed out by the famous philosopher of science Erwin Lazslo. This quantum plane, because it has no space-time laws, can be used for instant communication of information. As all objects are fundamentally information all objects can be turned into quantum objects and communicated through the quantum channels.
It has also been proven recently that very large objects can be turned into quantum objects. As I just cited earlier this is exactly how Patanjali explains the yogis are able to teleport. They gain first something called perfect control(samayama) which is basically a state of perfect resonance with the quantum field and then they are able to collapse themselves into a wavefunction and then they gain passage into the quantum channels. We know for a fact through the phenomenon of quantum tunneling that particles do collapse into wavefunctions.
The fact that the exact method is being described by Patanjali(with the exception that this is through the use of mind and not technology) with equivalent terminology proves that the same thing is being described. This must mean that yogis obviously really could teleport. And so can we if we attain perfect control(samayama)
Quantum mechanics basically proves Hinduism is a true religion. That nothing that it says is a matter of faith, but it is scientific fact. This is why I have declared very boldly at the start the new religion of humanity is going to be Hinduism - the eternal way. This is the religion of individuals each on a quest to reach self-realization and actualization of all their potentials. It is the religion of people who have the will to power, high self-esteem, assertiveness and confidence to accomplish whatever they want
Impressive.
How do we attain perfect control?
How has teleportation been achieved solely by using the mind?
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34158]This is what Sankara said to one of his arrogant students who started claiming he was god. He said that he was a fool to claim he was god, because he had not actually realised it. First realise it, then claim you are god. I do not claim I am god, but I claim that I have the potential of god. As do you and everybody else.
At this moment in your spiritual evolution you are not god.[/QUOTE]
Ah so you don’t know this…
I think your confused on the finer points of your religion.
“The reintegrated being, the yogi, having churned the four wisdoms (vedas) and all scriptures, enjoy their cream, their essence. The learned get only the butter milk.” - Jnanasankalini tantra 51
How do we attain perfect control?
It is achieived by following Patanjali’s 8 fold path which I have outlined and described in some detail in others places. I will basically give a very brief overview: You first train your mind using mindfulness, moderation and practicing non-attachment in daily life(yama and niyamas). Then you must train your body using physical exercises in Yoga(asanas) and breathing exercises(pranayama) in order to cultivate your pranic body(quantum body) this will allow for the pranic channels to become clear and they will be able to recieve more pranic energy and your chakras will start to function better. This is a necessary preparation before you begin the second set of steps which is meditation. It will give you greater control over your prana. In the second steps you will consciously withdraw your prana from the external senses into your mind as a result of which your senses will shut off and you will begin to introvert into the mind(pratyahara) At this stage you will be bombarded with lucid visions emanating from your subconscious(memories, fantasies, thought impresisons) after a while these will recede and your mind will become completely empty. At this stage you will start meditation by choosing an object as a focal point. If you are able to maintain concentration on the object without any disturbance of a thought, you will enter into deep meditation(dhyana) and finally samadhi(absolute absorption) whereby you will lose complete awareness of yourself and only have object-awareness. This is when you reach a state of perfect resonance with the object deep at the quantum level.
How has teleportation been achieved solely by using the mind?
When you reach that level of perfect resonance you become aware of the relation between you and the quantum space and your entire body will collapse into its wavefunction and enter into the quantum space. You navigate through the channels in the quantum space to go to any location you want. This is done simply by thinking of the location you want to go to whereby you entangle your body and that location and then can transmit yourself through the pathway created.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34164]It is achieived by following Patanjali’s 8 fold path which I have outlined and described in some detail in others places. I will basically give a very brief overview: You first train your mind using mindfulness, moderation and practicing non-attachment in daily life(yama and niyamas). Then you must train your body using physical exercises in Yoga(asanas) and breathing exercises(pranayama) in order to cultivate your pranic body(quantum body) this will allow for the pranic channels to become clear and they will be able to recieve more pranic energy and your chakras will start to function better. This is a necessary preparation before you begin the second set of steps which is meditation. It will give you greater control over your prana. In the second steps you will consciously withdraw your prana from the external senses into your mind as a result of which your senses will shut off and you will begin to introvert into the mind(pratyhara) At this stage you will be bombarded with lucid visions emanating from your subconscious(memories, fantasies, thought impresisons) after a while these will recede and your mind will become completely empty. At this stage you will start meditation by choosing an object as a focal point. If you are able to maintain concentration on the object without any disturbance of a thought, you will enter into deep meditation(dhyana) and finally samadhi(absolute absorption) whereby you will lose complete awareness of yourself and only have object-awareness. This is when you reach a state of perfect resonance with the object deep at the quantum level.
When you reach that level of perfect resonance you become aware of the relation between you and the quantum space and your entire body will collapse into its wavefunctuin and enter into the quantum space. You navigate through the channels in the quantum space to go to any location you want. This is done simply by thinking of the location you want to go to whereby you entangle your body and that location and then can transmit yourself through the pathway created.[/QUOTE]
YEP. Pretty much…
Here is a trade secret: The greater your powers of concentration the greater your psychic powers.
This is the ONLY difference between superior beings and inferior beings. The ordinary human being can only concentrate for a few seconds and this is why the human being cannot penetrate deep into reality because he is never focussing long enough. The masters/gods/buddhas call them what you may, however, have a concentration like a laser beam which penetrates deep into the nature of reality(past the quantum, into the mental, the causal and spiritual)
All Yoga is about is training your powers of concentration.