The Eternal Way

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#101

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34472]You haven’t. You’ve had some experiences in meditation, which you have wanted to call god.[/QUOTE]

Incorrect.

She awoke and stirred.

She grabbed me and took me all the way to the top.

All I had to do was wake her up.

I took her to the spot. She grabbed me. After that it was all spontaneous. The bandhas and head movement and eyes were all without my conscioius control.

There was no breath.

Before me was . . . well I can’t tell you.

and it was doing something to me . . .which also I can’t tell you.

Eat your heart out library boy!!!

and no I won’t tell you how I did it.

TEE HEE.

Ha.

Ha.

Ha.

This wasn’t the only glimpse either…

This is how I know the following:

  1. That your full of doody.
  2. That THAT is.
  3. That you don’t understand your religion.

:cool:

#102

So you had a Kundalini experience.

There is nothing godly about it. It is a perfectly natural phenomemon where the energy circuits in your body rewire allowing for more pranic energy to flow into your system and activating your chakras.

Still no proof of god there, my boy :wink:

#103

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34556]So you had a Kundalini experience.

There is nothing godly about it. It is a perfectly natural phenomemon where the energy circuits in your body rewire allowing for more pranic energy to flow into your system and activating your chakras.

Still no proof of god there, my boy ;)[/QUOTE]

No Read it again.

Nothing that you wrote occurred. Except perhaps 3 or four human lives ago…Maybe more. Don’t have conscious memory.

First of all no where Have I read correctly where she rises from and what she feels like. Or preciescly how to wake her.

and I ain’t talking about prana slowly working out the stuff.

I’m talking full blown get up and go.

I wonder why you find it so hard to believe. Maybe because you think your God. Which your not.

or your jealous.

or your just a scoffer by nature?

I know what I saw. This particular form is well known in the yoga system iconography. and Yes Its true. I didn’t get the whole view of it because I was so close to it.

Yes. He’s awesome. Sometimes I want to cry just thinking about how awesome he is.

The thing is . . . I can see why he hides himself. or at least this aspect of Him…

Don’t be a hater.

I’m sure you’ll have something to say…

Its cool I’m not really writing anything for you per se. It’s for others that I do what I do. You may believe what you wish. This is your God given right.

#104

Ramakrishna Paramhansa, one of the greatest mystics of the 20th century had remarkable experiences and he witnessed the form of Kali. He was initially a great dualist and bhakta of the divine mother and in the end even he transcended the form and attained to the ultimate non-dual state of consciousness.

You cannot tell me of any god that is distinct from your experience. In the end whatever you tell me about god is a subjective experience you had. There is no god separate from your experience of it. So it is nothing more than your own consciousness. The form you see whether it is Jesus, Krishna, Shiva, Kali is nothing more than your subconscious imagining.

#105

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34559]Ramakrishna Paramhansa, one of the greatest mystics of the 20th century had remarkable experiences and he witnessed the form of Kali. He was initially a great dualist and bhakta of the divine mother and in the end even he transcended the form and attained to the ultimate non-dual state of consciousness.

You cannot tell me of any god that is distinct from your experience. In the end whatever you tell me about god is a subjective experience you had. There is no god separate from your experience of it. So it is nothing more than your own consciousness. The form you see whether it is Jesus, Krishna, Shiva, Kali is nothing more than your subconscious imagining.[/QUOTE]

IT WAS NOT AN ANTROPOMORPHIC FORM.

THERE WAS NO BREATH.

THERE WAS JOY. A SHIT EATING GRIN ON MY FACE. PARDON MY SPANISH.

IT (GOD) WAS DOING STUFF TO MY BODY. But only when I was in contact with it…

IT WAS NOT IMAGINATION.

YOUR RATIONALE IS WEAK SAUCE.

scoffer…

Just a scoffer…

  1. Your full of doody.
  2. THAT is.
  3. You don’t understand your own religion - BECAUSE YOU ONLY HAVE BOOK KNOWLEDGE and YOU DON’T Fully comprehend it. YOU CAN’T BELIEVE IT. BECAUSE IT HASN’T HAPPENED TO YOU!@!!! SO YOU TRY TO RATIONALIZE. With your samkya or whatever…

LOL

scoffer…

And no . . . I won’t tell you how I did it.

Dangerous it could be.

and no I won’t tell anybody else how to do it. Sorry.

If its really super important I’ll go up and see him. But most people can’t. So I go through the foundational practices to understand . . . through practical experience . . . what suggestions to make to others. BY MY OWN EXPERIENCE.

I DON’T NEED TO BE HERE. ITS MUCH NICER UPSTAIRS… I assure you. But I don’t mind all that much, I have a nice role to play here

. . . once you see him he never really leaves you…

#106

You experienced the breathless state. Congrats.

It is still a state of consciousness. Still no proof of god sorry.

#107

Well, we can all learn some humility I hope. In this phenomenal world we are either enlightened and see all as one, in which case that is all we worship, if worship would be the right word ; or we are unenlightened ( 99.99999 % ) and see dualistically, in which case we worship that which is greater than ourselves ( sort of like a stepping stone ). Through many examples, and intuitively, we know that the whole ( one) is greater than the sum of the parts, eg. you may get in the right position but until your body feels like one piece you haven’t mastered an asana. Pangaea is the sum of nature’s parts acting as one. God is alive as you and me, especially when we are us. Any 2 people who love are greater than any 3 people who don’t. Ancient esoteric Greek mythic philosophy has Eros as the primal God, 1st born out of Chaos, because only the attraction (love ) of one particle to another can create order and patterns out of the randomness of chaos. Outside of relative values of playing the guitar,six-pack abs and E=Mc2, there is the absolute Godhead of a larger self-consciousness.All the relative values are focused awareness, the absolute is unfocused awareness : an open Void of potential being that we all travel, though only a few do it awake., even the yogi in his cave must feel the rest of the world before he can reach the next one. Namaste-because-we-need-each-other-to-know-God.

#108

Namaste Tony,

I think what you say has merit and it confuses me slightly as I taken to a path of complete self-service. Only to focus on myself and nobody else. My god is me myself. However, my aim is not to be self-serving forever, but only for a temporal period so I can reach greatness and then share greatness. Did Jesus not begin his sermons after his 40 day spiritual journey? Did Buddha not begin his sermons after reaching his enlightenment after 40 days? If I follow their examples it seems that it is necessary to abandon the world completely and work on yourself first?

I don’t know why but karma yoga does not pull me at all. I do not want to work for others or go and help others. I want to work on myself first and foremost. I do not feel like I am in any position to help the world, if I cant help myself first. First let me reach greatness then I will share my greatness with everybody else :slight_smile:

#109

Different fingers of the same hand reaching for oneness. I certainly can see a good path is possible there-by following your own light, making it greater, more light is available for all. On a personal note: which country of the world are you from ? Your English is Perfecto, especially for someone so deeply versed in the Hindu religion and culture. For myself, I have much in common with a non-karmic outlook-other than not do wrong-the only right I do is in making myself more fulfilled. I try to be honest, myself, and keep up whatever end of a stick I’m caught holding. Hopefully, that is enough. Namaste

#110

Namaste,

I was born and brought up in England in a Hindu family, this is why I am at ease with English. I also have a high aptitude for language. Although I was born and brought up in Hinduism, my relationship with Hinduism has been similar to many non-Hindu people who have discovered it. At one point I was a staunch atheist and rejected all religion and only accepted science and materialism, I then became a nihilist. After my study of meditation and the paranormal I turned towards new-age. I then discovered the root of new-age was Hinduism, and I became very interested in the Vedas. I then studied the Vedas for about 10 years. I then studied Philosophy formally and have recently become an existentialist Hindu. At this point I understand can explain Hinduism better than somebody who has been a Hindu their entire life. In fact many Hindus come to me to learn about Hinduism.

Now I plan to make the next move and become a Yogi to become an enlightened master.

Your path sounds similar to mine in some sense. I do not aim to infringe on anybody elses path, I just want to focus on my path. I do share my knowledge openly with people and I do help people when I can. However, I do not go out of my way to help people and at least for a while my aim is going to be just to focus on myself. What you say about making your own light greater makes more light available to all is very well said. I can do what others are doing on the spiritual path lighting the lamps of people one by one and spreading light slowly, or I can become the lord sun itself and light up the entire world in one go.

I think this world lacks truly enlightened beings and I am not about to wait for the enlightened beings to come. I am going to become enlightened myself and contribute to the enlightenment of the planet. It may happen in this lifetime, or in another, but I will begin my sadhana in this life. I aim to be nothing less than a god.

#111

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34459]That is because he had a guru in his past lives. He himself believed he did:

Everybody needs a guru to reach enlightenment.[/QUOTE]
so it is not a fact that he had a guru in past lives, it is only a belief. so again I ask the question you ignored which I expected you to. did the first enlightened person have a guru? hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm before you type your response you already know you have no answer for this. I WIN :slight_smile: to the rest of the people on the forum I apologize for provoking him too much.

#112

I do not know the path to enlightenment- I have not been there ; I can believe that I am heading in the right direction because I bear better fruit than I did years ago. I also know the bias you will encounter here : Pride goeth before a fall etc. It is fundamental to Western civilization, witness Ancient Greek Tragedies. And Lucifer, the Prince of Light, also could not accept a brighter light than himself, so the story goes. ( actually in one version, it wasn’t that he couldn’t worship God more than himself, he just couldn’t bend the knee to man as directed ). I , for one, wish you well on your journey to the light and hope your heart is always open to Light- I believe in the end we are nothing, we just think we are some thing. By being nothing I expect we’ll identify with everything. Most definitely at this time I am not independent and can not imagine standing alone ; someday maybe I’ll have my Bodhi tree experience. Maybe, like you said, in a lifetime or two or three… Namaste