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[QUOTE=ray_killeen;65093]The Bhagavad Gita mentions; Bhakti Yoga (Devotion), Karma Yoga (Selfless Action) and Jnana Yoga (Self Transcending Knowledge) but not Mahayoga (around1000 years old) which is even much younger than Patanjali Yoga Sutras (outlining the eight limbs/rungs of Classical Yoga, Ashtanga Yoga or Rāja Yoga) and certainly incomparable to the timeless age of the Bhagavad Gita. I’m not sure where you find and what you mean by “simplest, highest yoga, hidden away”? Elaboration from where you find this, experiences you’ve had and why you believe it more effective would be of interest: otherwise what you describe is yoga of the Bhagavad Gita and or Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras which utilizes skilful techniques/methodologies to aid in a challenging goal? Of course there is more than one way to yoga but why are you adamant about this relatively new way?[/QUOTE]

Dear Friend:

I am sorry if I have sounded adamant. I am not at all adamant about anything for the simple reason that in Yoga, being adamant becomes detrimental to one’s own progress.

In all its eighteen chapters, The Bhagavad Gita has described various kinds of Yoga that are helpful to put the aspirant firmly on the path of Internal Yoga, having the Goal of God / Self Realization / emancipation / salvation.

The subject of Internal Yoga comes up particularly in Chapter 6 which deals with Dhyana Yoga i.e. meditation. In this Chapter, the Yoga aspirant (Arjuna) is advised to attempt again and again to fix the mind in [B]only and only[/B], the Self.

Well, Mahayoga says that the ascent of “I-ness” from body “I-ness” to Self, begins with fixing the mind in [I]Prana~Shakti[/I], which by proxy, is one’s automatic breath.

Chapter 9 described as [B]The Supreme Yoga Way[/B], to be kept Secret, except for the true devotee, is the way of [B]Absolute Surrende[/B]r. It is to be noted that allegorically, Arjuna is the highly trained, yet uncertain-minded aspirant and Lord Krishna, who apparently invites Arjuna to surrender to “Me”, is in fact one’s [I]Prana[/I], “awakened” inwardly.

Thus Mahayoga says this surrender is not to anyone outside you, rather it is to your own [I]Prana~Shakti[/I]. There are several developments that take place by such surrender. The first important development being that “I-ness” gets lifted from body “I-ness” into Prana “I-ness”. This results in The most important thing viz. that [B][I]Prana[/I] automatically enters [I]sushumna[/I][/B]. I don’t have to say what happens as a result of this.

Once one gets an experience of this supportless and hence divine force known as [I]Prana~Shakti[/I] functioning within, only then, the surrender can take place.

So in Mahayoga aspirants, with [I]Prana~Shakti[/I] in charge of all the doing, the role of the mind is that of a witness only. Of course this is for the duration of the sitting, which again is determined by [I]Prana[/I]!

All this sounds strange and impossible, not just to a western mind, but to anyone in general. Hence it is to be tried out. After all, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Regarding how old Mahayoga is, well, in the ancient times, [I]rishis[/I] initiated just a few persons into Mahayoga. Three classic examples are those of Rishi Vasishtha initiating Lord Rama; Adi Shankaracharya being initiated by his Guru Goudapadacharya; and Swami Vivekananda being initiated by Guru Paramhamsa Ramakrishna.

In fact, if you you are practising say Hatha Yoga and various asanas, just see the mind boggling variety of asanas, pranayamas, bandhas and so on! Do you think these were a result of some empirical study? No. These were performed automatically (i.e. by grace of awakened Prana) by the initiated aspirants and were recorded for posterity, to be done by future aspirants to get the same inner results.

However, it is difficult to pinpoint, with the help of the mind or any ordinary third person, as to which asanas, pranayama etc are really required for a particular person’s inner purification. Hence, when [I]Prana~Shakti[/I] decides and does all this, the aspirant is in safe and divine hands.

I agree, one’s Prana can be “awakened inwardly” by the dint of one’s own effort in Yoga. But what is the point, when one needs to dissolve the ego anyway. In Mahayoga, all one has to do is pray to Prana~Shakti through a Guru. The Grace of Prana then descends most easily. Thereafter, this awakened Prana becomes one’s inner Guru.

regards
anand

any way to yoga practice is unadamant, guys, but one: less words more doings…

[QUOTE=john32;65147]any way to yoga practice is unadamant, guys, but one: less words more doings…[/QUOTE]

Practicing Jnana yoga (wink!)

In Mahayoga, the ‘seeker’ is no more ‘seeker’ or ‘doer’.
Sadhana is not done, it happens. One can very easily and certainly experience this by practicing Mahayoga.

Once the seeker surrinders, it becomes sole responsibility of the Almighty
to take care of the jeeva. As described in 18th chapter of Bhagavat Geeta bya Bhagavan ShriKrishna, ‘sarva dharmaan parityajya, maam ekam sharaNam vraja’ (सर्व धर्मान् परित्यज्य माम् एकम् शरणं व्रज!)

Here, one surrinders to ‘prana-shakti’, it starts with the purification of the jeeva.

Since anyone and everyone, regardless of his/her earlier good or bad deeds, or irrespective of any qualities in duality, is able to experience this, its simplest , since one is not required to spend a single penny for this - its cheapest, and from experience of the seekers - its highest.

[QUOTE=Anand Kulkarni;65106]Dear Friend:

I am sorry if I have sounded adamant. I am not at all adamant about anything for the simple reason that in Yoga, being adamant becomes detrimental to one’s own progress.

In all its eighteen chapters, The Bhagavad Gita has described various kinds of Yoga that are helpful to put the aspirant firmly on the path of Internal Yoga, having the Goal of God / Self Realization / emancipation / salvation.

The subject of Internal Yoga comes up particularly in Chapter 6 which deals with Dhyana Yoga i.e. meditation. In this Chapter, the Yoga aspirant (Arjuna) is advised to attempt again and again to fix the mind in [B]only and only[/B], the Self.

Well, Mahayoga says that the ascent of “I-ness” from body “I-ness” to Self, begins with fixing the mind in [I]Prana~Shakti[/I], which by proxy, is one’s automatic breath.

Chapter 9 described as [B]The Supreme Yoga Way[/B], to be kept Secret, except for the true devotee, is the way of [B]Absolute Surrende[/B]r. It is to be noted that allegorically, Arjuna is the highly trained, yet uncertain-minded aspirant and Lord Krishna, who apparently invites Arjuna to surrender to “Me”, is in fact one’s [I]Prana[/I], “awakened” inwardly.

Thus Mahayoga says this surrender is not to anyone outside you, rather it is to your own [I]Prana~Shakti[/I]. There are several developments that take place by such surrender. The first important development being that “I-ness” gets lifted from body “I-ness” into Prana “I-ness”. This results in The most important thing viz. that [B][I]Prana[/I] automatically enters [I]sushumna[/I][/B]. I don’t have to say what happens as a result of this.

Once one gets an experience of this supportless and hence divine force known as [I]Prana~Shakti[/I] functioning within, only then, the surrender can take place.

So in Mahayoga aspirants, with [I]Prana~Shakti[/I] in charge of all the doing, the role of the mind is that of a witness only. Of course this is for the duration of the sitting, which again is determined by [I]Prana[/I]!

All this sounds strange and impossible, not just to a western mind, but to anyone in general. Hence it is to be tried out. After all, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Regarding how old Mahayoga is, well, in the ancient times, [I]rishis[/I] initiated just a few persons into Mahayoga. Three classic examples are those of Rishi Vasishtha initiating Lord Rama; Adi Shankaracharya being initiated by his Guru Goudapadacharya; and Swami Vivekananda being initiated by Guru Paramhamsa Ramakrishna.

In fact, if you you are practising say Hatha Yoga and various asanas, just see the mind boggling variety of asanas, pranayamas, bandhas and so on! Do you think these were a result of some empirical study? No. These were performed automatically (i.e. by grace of awakened Prana) by the initiated aspirants and were recorded for posterity, to be done by future aspirants to get the same inner results.

However, it is difficult to pinpoint, with the help of the mind or any ordinary third person, as to which asanas, pranayama etc are really required for a particular person’s inner purification. Hence, when [I]Prana~Shakti[/I] decides and does all this, the aspirant is in safe and divine hands.

I agree, one’s Prana can be “awakened inwardly” by the dint of one’s own effort in Yoga. But what is the point, when one needs to dissolve the ego anyway. In Mahayoga, all one has to do is pray to Prana~Shakti through a Guru. The Grace of Prana then descends most easily. Thereafter, this awakened Prana becomes one’s inner Guru.

regards
anand[/QUOTE]

but does that work then?

[QUOTE=hsparchure;65151]In Mahayoga, the ‘seeker’ is no more ‘seeker’ or ‘doer’.
Sadhana is not done, it happens. One can very easily and certainly experience this by practicing Mahayoga.

Once the seeker surrinders, it becomes sole responsibility of the Almighty
to take care of the jeeva. As described in 18th chapter of Bhagavat Geeta bya Bhagavan ShriKrishna, ‘sarva dharmaan parityajya, maam ekam sharaNam vraja’ (सर्व धर्मान् परित्यज्य माम् एकम् शरणं व्रज!)

Here, one surrinders to ‘prana-shakti’, it starts with the purification of the jeeva.

Since anyone and everyone, regardless of his/her earlier good or bad deeds, or irrespective of any qualities in duality, is able to experience this, its simplest , since one is not required to spend a single penny for this - its cheapest, and from experience of the seekers - its highest.[/QUOTE]

the only work with yoga is practice, john…

[QUOTE=john32;65199]but does that work then?[/QUOTE]

yoga is practice

Kima,

“yoga is practice”

It is, and yet even infinite practice without the proper inner spirit which is flowing through the discipline will not be of any help. Any method is simply neutral in itself, it can be used in a thousand and one different ways. If you are clinging to any method, if you have become a slave to your own discipline, then unless one moves beyond it, all of one’s practice is only going to be for the sake or re-enforcing one’s programming. And that is why there have been yogis who have been involved in the discipline for almost their whole lives, and yet they had remained as unconscious and asleep as ever, neither has it managed to bring one to a contentment with things as they are. In fact, their involvement with the yogic sciences has only managed to complicate what was already a complex situation. Our system is very complex, and if one is tampering with the system without the proper understanding, then it can be tremendously dangerous - to be involved in the spiritual sciences in such a situation may only prevent any kind of spiritual expansion from happening. There is a certain tantric maxim, “the very poison that kills becomes the elixir of life when used by the wise”. If this is true, then just the opposite is also the case - that even the elixir of life becomes poison when it is used by a fool. That is why I am in absolute agreement with what Gautama Buddha had said, that what is needed is not simply effort, but the right kind of effort.

[QUOTE=john32;65199]but does that work then?[/QUOTE]

yoga is more about pactise. if you don`t pactise yoga, how you can “feel” yoga benefit!. :grin:

exactly!

yoga is more about pactise. if you don`t pactise yoga, how you can “feel” yoga benefit!.

"the very poison that kills becomes the elixir of life when used by the wise"
who said that?

[QUOTE=kima;65334]"the very poison that kills becomes the elixir of life when used by the wise"
who said that?[/QUOTE]

Like Amir wrote it?s a Tantra maxim/adage/saying just as this one: “One must rise by that by which one falls”

"One must rise by that by which one falls"
yeah, but how to use this in everyday life?

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;65227] There is a certain tantric maxim, “the very poison that kills becomes the elixir of life when used by the wise”. QUOTE]

this is so true!

"One must rise by that by which one falls"
yeah, but how to use this in everyday life?

it’s impossible

[QUOTE=kima;65021]could you tell more about it?[/QUOTE]

Just perform a google search for him…eg in wikipedia.

yeah, wikipedia.

thanks!

kima
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