[QUOTE=Surya Deva;72950]One does not become a Guru. One achieves self-realization and then society turn them into a Guru. Ramana Maharshi had no intention to become a guru, it was society that turned him into one.[/QUOTE]
It sure seems that many spiritual giants never had intentions of becoming a guru, they simply became astute to true inner nature, through common discussions someone took notice the clarity and the word spread, perhaps they even found the attention nuisance.
[QUOTE=kareng;72954]I hadn’t thought of it like this!..but surely he must have put himself ‘out there’ to get society to do this.
If I achieved self realisation at home, silently, no one would know about it and wouldn’t be able to turn me into a Guru so I find it hard to believe it is as you suggest. (or whomever suggested it )…[/QUOTE]
No, he was practicing solitarily in the mountains of Arunchala, and word spread about his enlightenment, soon disciples were coming to him and they eventually set up an ashram for him. Then word spread in the West and he became world famous. Ramana Maharishi was not too fond of speaking, he rarely ever spoke, he spent most of his time in silence and hence he came to be known as the silent guru.
There is another reason why I am not too interested in spreading my name(through publications, DVD’s and seminars) What use is it pumping up this ego, when at the end of this life that ego and that name has to go. If in the next life I come back none of what ego and name did will be credited to me, and I will not remember it either. When I hear of the achievements of that ego and name, I will look at them as another.
Think about it. Perhaps in your past life you were a very famous name like Mozart, Julius Ceaser, Cleopatra, Aristotle - but even if you were - you don’t remember now and you certainly are not credited with any of their achievements, you read about them as another like everybody else.
The above is the reason why promoting yourself is a silly exercise. Don’t take yourself too seriously. Building up the ego in this life, fattening it up with fame, wealth and pleasure is like making a sand castle on the beach, it will eventually be washed away.
Awareness is unchanging reality which is never born, cannot die, therefore no rebirth.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;72980]No, he was practicing solitarily in the mountains of Arunchala, and word spread about his enlightenment, soon disciples were coming to him and they eventually set up an ashram for him. Then word spread in the West and he became world famous. Ramana Maharishi was not too fond of speaking, he rarely ever spoke, he spent most of his time in silence and hence he came to be known as the silent guru.[/QUOTE]
Ahh, I see what you mean…
Your post after this Surya are the words that are coming closer to Buddhist thinking…are you aware of this?
I wanted to ask why you felt the need to go and search in India …as you say, self realisation is the answer…you don’t need to leave the chair you are sat on to achieve this.
Why don’t you use the method I have used for 41 years?..I have mentioned it to you before. You are someone requiring proof. Proof as soon as possible. You will be intrigued by it. You will see your progress, I mean really see. It is simplistic, it is the method Buddha found and used to gain enlightenment…
I didn’t know it was the method he used, I stumbled on it by reading about some of his ‘sights’, I had already been practicing it for many years by then.
From one Sikh to another…consider what I say…You are at the right age to begin…I am right in saying you are around 28-32? If you are, this a very fortunate age to begin this…there are other ages but this is a key one.
If you need reminding of the method, let me know.
Kind Regards Kareng
Thanks Karen,
Do mean the meditation technique of focusing on the third eye? If not, I would be happy for you to remind me 
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;72990]Thanks Karen,
Do mean the meditation technique of focusing on the third eye? If not, I would be happy for you to remind me :)[/QUOTE]
Let me let you humour me Surya:)
Forget about the third eye…forget about meditation and all that you know…become simple to do this…(not easy for you Surya…:eek:)
These are precise instructions, no errors.
Don’t ever do this if your uptight mentally about something…pick nights when you have nice happy mind. Don’t spend hours trying, just a short time trying and eventually the time can be as long as you want once you are in scene mode.
!)Lay in a darkened room at bedtime…flat on your back with only a very shallow pillow…say 1 inchish in depth…important for head alignment
Relax, close your eyes and draw your eye balls very slightly inwards as if you are looking at the tip of your nose …you will feel the strain on your eyes but eventually this will settle, you will correct it in time and get it right with ease.
[B]Search for a tiny light…this is the single focus[/B]
4)keep searching until you see it…it will come and go but keep looking for it
Progress is getting a glimpse of the light this is your indication you are on the right track.
At some point the light will get bigger and bigger till it fills the space you are looking at…here the journey begins…I cant say what you will see next, you will see what you see.
At the beginning of this journey you may not get far…you may stay around this dimension and see nothing wonderful except that you are seeing things with your eyes closed which is a blast I would say, yes?
After a bit more practice or maybe very little, you will begin to go further into the interesting dimensions…you will see what you see
When you are no longer seeing scenes that are of this dimension, you apply these rules…Don’t linger too long on what you see, you need to move past it to the next thing to see…to do this you don’t give the scene any major attention…hold your mind/thoughts steady…you note then remain unmoved by what you see…no fear if you can help it…(not easy with some scenes I hasten to add) e.g.If you meet/see dead relatives hold your mind steady and ignore them, do not pay them any attention look through them/past them holding thoughts steady
That is all…the deeper you go the scenes become scenes that are written about… definitely in Buddhism but I should imagine they are in Hinduism too.
When you have finished and open your eyes etc…DON’T linger on what you saw in any obsessive way ok.
…I know that most people sit in the classic meditation position and try/do this… that’s okay if it works…but I have found that laying down on your back aligns the eyes more easily (when closed) with the tip of the nose. I find I cant find the target, the light, via the tip of the nose as well when I am sat up…try it…you will see my point I think?
Lastly…Note any different format you might be led into…if you see a new format, go with it…it may be the route to the seated Guru who will join you once you have found him…by format I mean…with eyes closed and aligned to the tip of the nose and searching for the light, you may then start to see red streaks that you are mingling with and going ahead with in sight, you will see you are travelling in these streaks of black and red swirling and moving in and out around your sight…a very important stage! eventually you will arrive at a scene where you see a seated Guru…very real in every way real is. With your thoughts go closer to him…think…who is that? whilst looking at him in the distance and then you will move in closer to him…study him in a simple way not too many complex thoughts just look at his face, position, hands etc…(this is one occasion where you don’t move past the scene!) He will do the rest!
Nothing ventured nothing gained Surya…Kareng
Wow, thank you for those very detailed instructions and insights Karen. I will definitely try this technique
So glad the smiley isnt a winking one Surya…
Thing is you can do this any suitable night when bored in bed, cant get straight off to sleep etc so it isn’t something that requires great effort or planning…we all go to bed so its a great technique to practice and perfect over years without causing frustrations in practice like many other techniques can…x