Yeah, Jenni and they end up floating into the clouds not being able to tell the difference between hares and hares with horns, like yourself. The kind of anti-intellectual and anti-science philosopy you espouse is also called stupidity.
Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism represent a body of knowledge and practices which today is helping countless seekers in the world and bought about a global spiritual revolution.
Learn to appreciate.
Surya,
“You cannot understand Yoga without first understanding Hinduism”
You cannot understand Yoga unless you understand man himself. Enlightenment is an individual phenomenon, not a social phenomenon, as is working towards one’s enlightenment.
Why, Surya?
Because I am not bound by a religion based on imagined symbolism?
I see that hypocrisy does not offend you.
And, I hope that you are paid well for what you are selling.
Okay, let’s say a bad Hindu then. Somebody born a Hindu, but made no attempt to read its texts and learn about it. Most likely attended temple with mom and dad and had no idea why he was worshipping the many gods, then grew up thinking, “This is nonsense” Solidified his opinions - but never made any attempt to investigate its history, philosophy and practice. Now, has come across Yoga and realised its a pretty good thing, but cannot quite understand what it has to do with the Hinduism you grew up with.
I never rejected vedas. However, I must say, they are of no practical value and have some abstract concepts about gods and other things. Nothing of utility has come out of vedas.
Indian medicine, Indian music, Indian engineering, Indian statecraft, Indian sociology, Indian grammar, Indian mathematics all develops from the Vedas. And of course Yoga
This is not practical?
If you do not believe in Brahman which is a core concept of Hinduism you have no right to call yourself Hindu. Brahman is the ultimate reality, supreme self from which the entire universe emanates. The aim of Yoga is to reconnect with this ultimate reality.
If you don’t believe this you are as much Hindu as a Christian atheist is Christian 
There are many better Yoga people that I know who are not Hindus and some of them have written very good books.
What’s your point? lol
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;59558]Okay, let’s say a bad Hindu then. Somebody born a Hindu, but made no attempt to read its texts and learn about it. Most likely attended temple with mom and dad and had no idea why he was worshipping the many gods, then grew up thinking, “This is nonsense” Solidified his opinions - but never made any attempt to investigate its history, philosophy and practice. Now, has come across Yoga and realised its a pretty good thing, but cannot quite understand what it has to do with the Hinduism you grew up with.
Indian medicine, Indian music, Indian engineering, Indian statecraft, Indian sociology, Indian grammar, Indian mathematics all develops from the Vedas. And of course Yoga
This is not practical?
If you do not believe in Brahman which is a core concept of Hinduism you have no right to call yourself Hindu. Brahman is the ultimate reality, supreme self from which the entire universe emanates. The aim of Yoga is to reconnect with this ultimate reality.
If you don’t believe this you are as much Hindu as a Christian atheist is Christian
What’s your point? lol[/QUOTE]
Well…ultimate reality is one’s mind. If that is polluted, no yoga or hinduism or vedas or the Brahma can save one from the polluted ‘Karma’ 
I can’t stop laughing.
Thank you Surya.
“Indian medicine, Indian music, Indian engineering, Indian statecraft, Indian sociology, Indian grammar, Indian mathematics.”
Yes, because all of this would not have been achieved otherwise, along with the remainder of humanity who evolved without the Vedas.
“Now, has come across Yoga and realised its a pretty good thing, but cannot quite understand what it has to do with the Hinduism you grew up with.”
All of the “Hinduism” you grew up with is just the digested leftovers of what was once a totally different phenomenon which was discovered by various sages. At present, and as has been for centuries, it is basically just manufacturing products in the marketplace to satisfy the demand and supply of particular people.
“If you do not believe in Brahman which is a core concept of Hinduism you have no right to call yourself Hindu.”
One should not accept anything which has yet to enter into the realm of one’s direct perception. One only believes something out of ignorance, because one does not know. If one knows, then the very need to believe disappears. You never hear of scientists declaring the belief in gravity, or the average person on the street declaring the belief in the sun. Because it is already the case, to believe in fact would be absurd.
As it is, what one has called “Brahman” is just a hypothesis. And if you have any intelligence of your own, you will want to investigate into matters out of your own intelligence rather than simply accept something on the basis of tradition, which may or may not be true.
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;59550]“It is obvious why Buddhism has the same philosophies and practices - because it an off-shoot of Hinduism.”
That is not the fundamental reason - it is because both the Hindus and the Buddhists have been investigating into the same realities, although their words, descriptions, and interpretations may be different.
There were no Buddhists before the Hindus. Buddha was born a Hindu, had a Hindu upbrining and Hindu gurus. His teachings were also very Hindu. Later, a religion started by others called Buddhism was formed after him based on how they interpreted his teachings. Mahayana Buddhism remained faithful to Hinduism while Thervada went its separate way. Eventually, it went to South East Asia, because the Indians were not buying it.
And it is not something unique to the traditions that have happened in India. The Ancient Egyptians were as deeply involved in the spiritual sciences and the work of the expansion of consciousness as the Hindus. That they were aware of “reincarnation” is not because they were imitating the Hindus, it is because once you penetrate into the deep levels of the unconscious, one can remember past lives, at times with minute detail. And if there have been past lives, certainly there are going to be future lives. That there are various levels of energy within man which constitute the same levels of energy within the universe itself, from the “physical”, to the “astral”, to the “spiritual” - is not unique either. What the Hindus referred to as the sukshma sarira is basically the same as what the ancient Egyptians called the Ka. What was known as prana amongst the Hindus, was known as Chi amongst the Chinese, mana amongst the Polynesians, and Pneuma amongst the Greeks. Pythagoras also spoke of the same knowledge, which he likely learned from Egypt, and which he waited for several years to become initiated into the mystery schools. And there is a reason why modern archeologists have found the discoveries in Egypt to be a mystery - because there are certain things which are of such mathematical precision, as well as astronomically precise, that they are considered monumental even by today’s standards, and in some cases, extending beyond even what modern science is capable.
This is easily explained by borrowing from the Hindus. By the time these cultures were talking of these things, Yoga was a highly developed science in India with thousands of years of history. Many scholars have stated, for example, that Pythagoras had borrowed his philosophy from India. The first time the 5 element theory, Pythagorean theorem, transmigration of the soul, vegetarianism, wearing orange appears in Greece is via Pythagoras and by that time they were very ancient ideas in India. There was contact between the Greeks and the Indians via the Persians and India was trading with Egypt etc.
The Greeks even record how their philosophers went to the East to learn. In that time there were formal schools, colleges and univerisities in India, who also took on board foreign students.
The Greeks themselves records Hindus visiting Greece and sharing their philosophy. Later Clement of Alexandria openly admits Greek philosophy was “stolen from the barbarbians - Hindus”
Truth is universal, it does not belong to any tradition, philosophy, or religion. Existence itself is not Hindu anymore than the trees, mountains, and rivers are Hindu. Unless one drops these identifications which are just intended to protect one’s limited identity, and become receptive to a force which is far beyond your own ego, then one has yet to come to the maturity that is needed in the search for Truth.
We don’t need to invoke these mystical Jungian theories of sharing ideas because of the collective unconsciousness. It can be easily explained by physical contact between the ancient cultures - which we know for a fact went on.
[QUOTE=yaram;59560]Well…ultimate reality is one’s mind. If that is polluted, no yoga or hinduism or vedas or the Brahma can save one from the polluted ‘Karma’ :)[/QUOTE]
Well in that case you do believe in Vedic teachings then, because this is exactly what it teaches: ultimate reality is mind. All is mind. All originates from mind. Hence why the Yoga sutras says, “Yoga chitt vritti nirodha” - Yoga is the cessation of the modifications of mind/consciousness.
The instructions for purifying the mind so that ultimate reality can be directly perceived is in the Rig Veda itself.
This is what Hinduism is all about - reconnecting to ultimate reality by attaining the pure mind state - the original state. This is also the goal of Yoga - which is not surprising - because it is the practice Hinduism devised to achieive that state. It is not just about cleaning the body - it is about full integration of mind body and soul.
You do not have to perceive Brahman as a personal creator god. In fact 4 out of 6 Hindu philosophical schools reject a personal god.
What is your point, Surya?
Even if you are to take personal and full credit for Hinduism, then let the matter be settled and dropped.
Please complete this monumental achievement within your imagination, which can be useful for such purposes and everyone will be free to move forward.
Unless of course, you intend to continue marketing it as the prescription which you yourself, have not made use of.
We settled the matter ages ago in the “Is Yoga Hinduism” thread. Yoga orignates in Hinduism. Why deny an obvious historical fact?
If you accept Yoga simply on the level of asana practice then we say you are practicing a practice that originates in Hinduism. If you are practicing all 8 limbs of Yoga and accept its philosophy of reconnecting to the divine reality within then you are Hindu in denial that you are a Hindu 
What do you think Hindus do as their religious practice? Yoga. This is why Hindu gurus teach Yoga. If you are going to do our practice you are subscribing to our religion. Just as I would be subscribing to Islam if I prayed 5 times a day, recited the Quran and attended mosques. You attend our Hindu temple by going within The temple of god is within we Hindus say.
At present, you remain hopelessly identified.
In which case, Yoga and Hinduism can offer you nothing.
At present, you remain hopelessly identified.
With what?
In which case, Yoga and Hinduism can offer you nothing.
Saying Yoga and Hinduism is like saying fruits and apples
Don’t worry about what Yoga/Hinduism has offered me. Ask what it can offer you and remember to acknowledge your sources when you derive the vast benefits they produce.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;59569]What do you think Hindus do as their religious practice? Yoga. This is why Hindu gurus teach Yoga. [/QUOTE]
I guess people don’t realise that in any vedic rituals and temple rituals asanas, pranayama, mudras and chakra meditation are very important components. People think worship means only bowing down your head and reciting prayers.
People will not hear when we say yoga is Hindu. How can they, they already thought they were enlightened after they attented a weekend spa retreat with yoga, meditation and a happy ending.
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;59572]I guess people don’t realise that in any vedic rituals asanas, pranayama, mudras and chakra meditation are very important components. People think worship means only bowing down your head and reciting prayers.[/QUOTE]
Crap of first order :rolleyes:
True lies !!!
“With what?”
I believe this is self-evident.
“Saying Yoga and Hinduism is like saying fruits and apples.”
I don’t care.
“…remember to acknowledge your sources when you derive the vast benefits they produce.”
In deriving the vast benefits which all of existance has to offer, I vow to remain aware of it’s singular source of origin.
[QUOTE=yaram;59573]Crap of first order :rolleyes:
True lies !!![/QUOTE]
You are just exposing how little you know of vedic rituals and temple worship.
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;59572]I guess people don’t realise that in any vedic rituals and temple rituals asanas, pranayama, mudras and chakra meditation are very important components. People think worship means only bowing down your head and reciting prayers.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, they do not realise just how much Yoga permeates the entire religion of Hinduism and the civilisation of Indians. There is nothing that is not yogic in Hinduism. Every scripture of Hinduism teaches Yoga. Even Indian dance, drama and music is based on Yoga philosophy and practice - asanas, pranayama and mudras are used in Indian classical dance.
I seriously don’t understand why they could like so many things about our culture the Yogic philosophiy and practice, Ayurveda, Indian classical music and dance, Indian cuisine, Vedanta and use our Sanskrit terms etc etc - and yet be so antagonistic to its Hindu religion from which they all originate.
I think we should turn this thread around now and put these Christians and so-called secular Westerners in the hot seat. We know Hinduism has a lot to offer like Yoga etc - but what on earth does Christianity have to offer? Where is their Yoga? Philosophy? Medicine? Music and dance?
What has Christianity contributed to this world other than widescale destruction and suffering?
[QUOTE=yaram;59573]Crap of first order :rolleyes:
True lies !!![/QUOTE]
It is obvious you are a troll now. I even doubt you are Indian or Hindu.
If you are going to claim he is lying, and bear in mind you are telling a practicing Hindu person they are lying abou what they practice, then prove that he is lying.
Temple worship and Vedic rituals, if u know them, please practice.
What is being done on this forum by ‘enlightened’ Yogis is to mix some terms from Hinduism and say that this is what they practice at home daily.
Gone are the good old days of glory to Hinduism. With the every new generation of Hindus, all India gets is ‘zero-brain’ syndrome and ‘marketing-savvy’ gurus.
This is the worst yoga knowledge, I have ever heard from some Indians.
All the best.
Bye