“My opinion is humble because I recognize that different people have different opinions.”
Opinions are never humble. Because one is still convinced that one knows, and has come to a conclusion. Even if one is open to hearing other people’s opinions, still in the meantime you are holding onto your own conclusion. Humbleness is possible once a human being comes to a recognition of his own ignorance.
“while it is mildly irritating”
That is the intention.
As I have said before - when one comes to one’s liberation one is absolutely choiceless, so there is no question of practicing your own nature.
Right, but you claim to have come to liberation, enlightenment, the final goal. And the evidence you offer for this is that you can wash the dishes like a pro 
You claim to have done sadhana for a few years on your own by living the life of an ascetic - in your own home. Then you came out of it and claim you are liberated, enlightened and have reached the final goal. What in a few years? Even Buddha did very intense sadhana for 10 years under the tutelage of various masters before he undertook his final meditation under the Bodhi tree for 40 days and in those 40 days he went through extreme physical and mental challenges and Buddha was already a highly evolved being since his birth according to Buddhist history.
But it took you only a few years in the comforts of your own home? Ok…
All methods are just skillful means for entry into the methodless. When one arrives to the methodless - it is not a question of practice. To live in communion with your true nature from moment to moment has nothing to do with yama or niyama - in fact there is no longer a need to follow such rules and regulations which are just a temporary substitute for functioning out of one’s own natural intelligence. For a man who is awakened - even if he steals, it makes no difference to his awakening at all. Because actions have no quality in themselves - it is one’s state of awareness which is running beneath it which determines their quality. The same action done by one who is conscious is of a totally different nature than the same action done by one who is unconscious.
You have been basically saying this so far: When you walk, you walk better than us; when you eat, you eat better than us; when you talk, you talk better than us; when you wash the dishes, you wash the dishes better than us; when you write, you write better than us; When you think, you think better than us. Basically you are better than us, you are awakened, we are asleep. You do everything better than us. Now, you might say there is no such thing as “better or worse” but dude it is clear you are saying we are all inferior, because we are asleep and unconscious and you are awake and conscious.
Not only that you are claiming that if you steal, and hence we can add other crimes murder, lie, rape - then you are still enlightened and still in a pure state, because your stealing, murdering, lying, raping is not the same as our stealing, murdering, lying, raping.
You are displaying most of the classical symptoms of narcissistic personaliy disorder:
Wiki:
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth edition, DSM IV-TR, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders, defines narcissistic personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:[1]
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
Requires excessive admiration
Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
Often mild to moderate paranoia, that others are out to do him in.
Predominant “name dropper” boasting or suggestion association with people or affiliations of importance.
I think what you demonstrate is a clear reason why if we do sadhana on our own without any supervision or facilitation by a master, we are likely to develop all kinds of issues and delusions - like believing we are the next Buddha(you are very close on that one) or the second coming of Jesus, or something a lot more sinister. When you said that if you steal it does not affect your awakening, thus saying awakened beings can steal if they want, you revealed something very disturbing about how your mind works.
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;57170]“My opinion is humble because I recognize that different people have different opinions.”
Opinions are never humble. Because one is still convinced that one knows, and has come to a conclusion. Even if one is open to hearing other people’s opinions, still in the meantime you are holding onto your own conclusion. Humbleness is possible once a human being comes to a recognition of his own ignorance.
“while it is mildly irritating”
That is the intention.[/QUOTE]
I could go into the absurdity of your post, taking it apart piece by piece, but that would be doing you a favor. I think i am done engaging with you…wallow in the goo of your enlightenment!
Opinions are never humble. Because one is still convinced that one knows, and has come to a conclusion. Even if one is open to hearing other people’s opinions, still in the meantime you are holding onto your own conclusion. Humbleness is possible once a human being comes to a recognition of his own ignorance.
I will translate this for you Dwai. He is saying everything others say is an opinion; everything he says is the truth.
SD - Why do you always manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?
There is nothing in Amirs posts which suggests that he is deluded.
PLEASE CONSIDER THE LANGUAGE YOU EMPLOY MORE FULLY.
Your communications are violating peoples wish to undertake intelligent discussion in a NON-VIOLENT manner.
If this was a political or other forum I would understnd it but we are trying to learn from each other and your insistence in being at the front of the class is becoming a nuisance.
Please speak your mind - but try to think more carefully about how your audience is likely to respond to you.
For example, calling me a retard and a racist might be accurate but I generally view those terms as being hostile and offensive which makes further communications between us unecessarily strained.
Please note that BUDDHA REJECTED ALL HIS MASTERS because they were simply not up to it.
I am not suggesting that you do the same, but that you certainly want to consider it.
ALSO - PLEASE quit with the INFORMATION DUMPS.
They are HARD TO READ and TEDIOUS.
Given the choice I would much rather hear your imperfection that other peoples perfections in this forum
God Bless You
You call peoples posts where they make an effort to share knowledge, learning and advice with you “information dumps”. You are the last person to talk about respect for others.
You accuse others of being passive aggressive, violent etc - and so far you have disrespected me, Dwai, Neitzche and The Scales by being highly patronizing and rude to us. You have only been here a few days
There is nothing in Amirs posts which suggests that he is deluded.
He is telling the entire forum he is better than them, and that they are asleep, unconscious, unenlightened. He is claiming everything he does and says is better than us. He just told Dwai his opinion is not humble without any provocation from Dwai, simply because it is an opinion. Yet, he is constantly going around this forum giving unsolicited opinions to people, but when he says them they are nothing but pure and absolute truth emanating from his awakening. He even just said that if he even stealed, it would be ok, because it would be him stealing, the awakened one.
I am sorry if that is not delusion, then what is?
[QUOTE=thomas;39474]On the one hand, I like the idea of self-study and learning on my own. But on the other hand, I know I could not have done yoga properly by using a DVD. There are simply too many things that can go wrong in a pose, and I would not have been aware of them. In fact, I think that after my experieces with private lessons, that I think the student needs that as well.
So I can understand that to be a teacher, a more experienced teacher would be necessary to thrain them, and it might be hard to learn it all on their own.
But I look at the economics of a 200 hour teacher certification.
12 students x $3,000 equals $36,000.
That’s a pretty sizeable chunk of change, and it seems to me that those same 12 people could pool their resources and hire instructors privately as needed for much less.
200 hours is 25 8-hour days, and if there are 12 students paying $3,000, that comes out to $1,440 per day the group of 12 students are paying their teacher/studio.
Couldn’t a qualified teacher be found for $400 per day? If so, that would lower the overall cost for all 12 students to $10,000, or just $833 each, which is a lot bettr than $3,000.[/QUOTE]
getting certified is all about making money. its all about making students/teachers feel like they are getting this great ability to teach yoga but its all a load of crap. I finished my 200 hour certification and feel ripped off. I only paid $1,000 half off for trade work at the studio but I was dissapointed with the actual traiining. I learned far more things I didn;t like about doing yoga ata studio that things I did. It has since made me go back to practicing on my own at home and enjoying yoga allot more not being around the B.S of a studio
I think for people with very little experience in practice and who are not actually practicing on there own they can learn allot. But if you are ready to be a real teacher then its just an extra boost of confidence knowing that you can feel comfortable up in front of a class
I agree. What right does an American Yoga Alliance association have to control the market on yoga teachers world wide? Wouldn’t an Indian alliance make more sense? Since Indian’s have thousands of years in this ancient practise, I think we should support the Internationally recognized Indian associations such as, Yoga Alliance International founded by the Indian Swami Vidyanand. Rather than an american business that’s out to make money in a relatively new trend for the west. Plus the Indian associations have lower one time fees that don’t have to be renewed every year.
[QUOTE=Michelle Kaminski;65651]I agree. What right does an American Yoga Alliance association have to control the market on yoga teachers world wide? Wouldn’t an Indian alliance make more sense? Since Indian’s have thousands of years in this ancient practise, I think we should support the Internationally recognized Indian associations such as, Yoga Alliance International founded by the Indian Swami Vidyanand. Rather than an american business that’s out to make money in a relatively new trend for the west. Plus the Indian associations have lower one time fees that don’t have to be renewed every year.[/QUOTE]
thats America for you. Serving the almighty economy above all else
What I learned in y.t.t. Was love
Cheers
PS:
[QUOTE]Michelle Kaminski/ Handsofeye,
“I agree. What right does an American Yoga Alliance association have to control the market on yoga teachers world wide? Wouldn’t an Indian alliance make more sense? Since Indian’s have thousands of years in this ancient practise, I think we should support the Internationally recognized Indian associations such as, Yoga Alliance International founded by the Indian Swami Vidyanand. Rather than an american business that’s out to make money in a relatively new trend for the west. Plus the Indian associations have lower one time fees that don’t have to be renewed every year”.[QUOTE]
Emotions and loyalty are good, until they make us blind. Let us have some reality check.
I think we Indians have a lot on our plate to cherish, rediscover and refurbish. We can do it quicker if we rekindle our spiritual DNA. Then we will rise again as the undisputed authority on yoga and not claim the riches just by inheritance.
So called Yoga seems to be in an ambiguous state throughout the entire human world, pointing the finger towards Y.A., India, West, This or That may only add to the calamity, perhaps recognizing the false as false through self-validation Truth becomes self-evident.
Yoga is what it is today
Cheers love
Truth is not relative.
I love fifties jazz but to say jazz is American today is crazy it is now worldwide the property of mankind worldwide it is natural progression imho
Cheers
[QUOTE=ray_killeen;82940]Truth is not relative.[/QUOTE]
What about a truth value made in bad faith or deception?
The Ethics of Diagnosis speaks to self-deception, such as when a hypochondriac has a complaint with no physical symptom.
[QUOTE=Yogamark;82964]What about a truth value made in bad faith or deception?[/QUOTE]
If one brings themselves to certain clarity recognizing the false as false, there can be no deception; the burden is on the knowledge seeker since the knowledge giver is only pointing and one must validate the point otherwise the delusion continues along with all related calamities.
It's fact that Exprience takes more value itself and doesn't need more. There is a value of knowledge and how we take advantage of our yoga skill. But sometimes there has a diffirent point of views. In case of professional yoga instructor, it's necessary that you are certified yoga teacher and certificate gives your authority to teach yoga everywhere. Through It you are eligilbe to become and promote yoga practice or yoga philosophy Internationally.
If you do due diligence and find a good TTC (hint: don’t choose one based only on cost), then you will most certainly get something out of it. My TTCs were not only the best investment I’ve ever made towards my practice, but to myself and for my life.
Self learning is an important part of the process, but every time I have sought out a teacher/guru, my understanding grew exponentially, and much faster than self learning would have allowed.
