Vedas,yoga and meditation

Mindfulness Meditation
#36

Dear friends,
namaste,
salutions to God, Guru and all realised souls,
We all(soul) take birth as per deeds.Who do not believe in rebirth i would like to tell.We all are aware of the history of the world after mahabharat war which is accepted by historians, Conquest of christanity, Islam, Persecution of Jews, Hindus, and native tribes on the name of religion, world has fought two world wars. If you consider these deaths and there is only one birth so then the population of the world should be decreasing but here the case is opposite.We are ever increasing.Every day there is a death and birth somewhere in world.A soul leaves the body and after 13 days enters and takes the birth as per its deeds.Listen to all the great siddhas like sai baba, swami Nityananda, swami narayan, Swami sammarth, Swami gajanan maharaj , Rammanna Maharishi etc. by the siddhi of knowing past present and future they have told many times their devottes and bhakta why are they sufferring, why they have bad husbands etc. In this regards vedas states like this:
Idea of Yajurveda mantra 39/6 is that after leaving the human body, the soul goes to several matters in the space etc., and then according to good or bad deeds takes next birth. Yajurved mantra 39/7 states that those souls who do sins they take birth with violent nature like wolves, bear and those who give fear to others in human body, they take birth in body with dangerous nature like crocodiles, poisonous snakes, tigers, lions, wild boars etc., those who give fear to others, they will be of timid nature like rabbits,deer etc. Those who give justice and make others fearless, they will take next birth in a fearless nature. Those who are indulged in illusion, they will take birth in a place where the atmosphere will be full of illusion(Yajurveda mantra 40/3 also refers). Those who are learned Yogis but are not yet attained salvation, they will take next birth in a place where there will not be any illusion but divine enlightenment. Those who have not controlled their five senses, five perceptions and mind then in the next birth they will be of restless nature. But those who have controlled their senses etc., will be of calm, peaceful nature. Those who have followed eternal knowledge, they will also be of peaceful nature in the next birth.
Atharvaveda mantra 9/10/16 states that those who are not learned in this birth, they will get the birth as “sthavar” rooted plants etc., as birds and as animals etc., and those who are learned they take next birth as rishi-munis. So the soul based on his sins or pious deeds takes birth in upper class or lower class. The above said Atharvaveda mantra also states that the soul in the human body knows each and everything that is each outer matter of the world but due to involvement in illusion, soul does not know himself.
As Manusmriti states in shlok 1/43-46 the soul according to deeds takes birth as animal, non-violent deer etc., carnivores like tiger, leopards etc., devils, human beings. Ths said are of “jarayuj” type i.e., those who take birth from their skin i.e., tissue. Soul takes birth as “undaj” type i.e., those who hatch from eggs like birds, snakes, crocodiles, fish, tortoise, etc. Soul takes birth in “Swedaj” type i.e., those who take birth from sweat, humidity, moisture, for-example, lice, mosquitoes, flies,
bed-bugs etc.
Soul also takes birth in Udbhij i.e., who takes birth from within the earth like plants who emerge from seeds etc., and are stable at one place like trees etc. So there are four above quoted main origin(yonis) of which the total number comes as 84
lakhs.

i have asked this question about yonis with support of vedas.i wanted to share this knowledge with you all.dear friends thats why we should shower our love to all animals , plants and look after them.In my next post i will quote examples from life of siddha purush to highlight this point.

OM

#37

Dear friends,
namaste,

The fruits of karma or action is strange. We normal people get swayed by temptations, lust, anger and intellect. When we do yoga by steady practice slowly - 2 your veil is lifted.Now as a soul i am quite concious of my karma and action i do not want to hurt others, or be aparty of any thing bad.Further after reading biographies of many brahma gyanis i have learned that the ultimate aim of life is god realisation.Veda and yoga i have zeroed on after reading and contemplation and my own search. I pray to God please let me the know the truth however bitter it is so that i can correct myself in this birth.Lord rama, krishna, sai baba, Nityananda and other yogis. Thats why i say do yoga and yajna it will help you as a soul in destroying your bad or evil karmas.Now one incident as told by brahma gyani sai baba of shirdi on how we pay for our karmas:

Blessed is the face of Sai. If we cast a glance at Him for a moment, He destroys the sorrow of many past births and confers great bliss on us; and if He looks at us with grace, our bondage of Karma is immediately snapped away and we are led to happiness. The river Ganges washes away the dirt and sins of all people who go to her for a bath; but she intently longs for the saints to come to her and bless her with their feet and remove all the dirt (sins) accumulated in her. She knows for certain that this accumulation can only be removed by the holy feet of the saints. Sai is the crest-jewel of the saints, and now hear from Him the following purifying story.
[B]The Snake and the Frog [/B]
Sai Baba said - "One morning after taking My breakfast I strolled along till I came to a small river bank. As I was tired, I rested there, washed My hands and feet and had a bath and felt refreshed. There was a foot-path and a cart-track sheltered by shady trees. The breeze was also blowing gently. As I was preparing to smoke chillim (pipe), I heard the croaking of a frog. I was striking the flint and lighting the fire, when a traveller turned up, sat by My side, bowed to Me and politely invited Me to his house for meals and rest. He lit up the pipe and handed it over to Me. The croaking was heard again and he wanted to know what it was. I told him that a frog was in trouble and was tasting the bitter fruit of its own karma. We have to reap now the fruit of what we sow (do) in our past life, and there is no use in crying about it. Then he smoked and handed over the pipe to Me and said that he would go there in person and see for himself. I told him that a frog was caught by a big snake and was crying. Both were very wicked in their past life and were now reaping the fruit of their actions in these bodies. He went out and found that a huge black serpent was holding a big frog in its mouth.
He turned to Me and said that in about 10 or 12 minutes the frog would be eaten up by the snake. I said, "No, this can’t be. I am its father (protector) and I am here now. How shall I allow the snake to eat it up, am I here for nothing? Just see how I release it."
After smoking again, we walked on to the place. He was afraid and asked Me not to proceed further as the snake might attack us. Not minding him, I went ahead and addressed the creatures thus:- "Oh Veerbhadrappa, has not your enemy Bassappa yet repented though he has been born as a frog, and you too, though born as a serpent, still maintain bitter enmity against him? Fie upon you, be ashamed, give up your hatred now and rest in peace."
Hearing these words, the snake left the frog quickly and dived into the river and disappeared. The frog also jumped away and hid itself in the bushes.
The traveller was much surprised; he said that he could not understand how the snake dropped the frog and disappeared at the words uttered, who was Veerbhadrappa and who was Basssappa, and what was the cause of their enmity. I returned with him to the foot of the tree and after sharing a few puffs of smoke with him I explained the whole mystery to his as follows:-
There was ancient holy place sanctified by a temple of Mahadev about 4 or 5 miles from My place. The temple was old and dilapidated. The residents of the place collected funds for its repairs. After a large amount was collected, arrangement for worship was made and plans with estimates for repairs were prepared. A rich local man was appointed the Treasurer and the whole work was entrusted to him. He was to keep regular accounts and be honest in all his dealings. He was a first class miser and spent very little for the repairs, which consequently made very little progress. He spent all the funds, swallowed some amount himself and spent nothing from his pocket. He had a sweet tongue and was very clever in offering plausible explanations regarding the poor and tardy progress of the work. The people again went to him and said that unless he lent his helping hand and tried his best, the work would not be complete. They requested him to work out the scheme and again collected subscriptions and sent the amount to him. He received it, but sat as quiet as before without making any progress. After some days, God (Mahadev) appeared in his wife’s dream and said to her - “You get up, build the dome of the temple, I will give you a hundred-fold of what you spend.” She told this vision to her husband. He was afraid that it would involve him in some expenses and therefore laughed it out saying that it was a mere dream, a thing not to be relied and acted upon, or else why did not God appear to him and tell him? Was he far off from her? This looks like a bad dream, having for its object the creation of ill feeling between husband and wife. She had to remain quiet.
God does not like big subscriptions and donations collected against the wishes of the donors, but He likes ever trifling amounts given with love, devotion and appreciation. Some days after, God again appeared in her dream and said - “Do not bother yourself about your husband and the collections with him. Don’t press him to spend any amount for the temple. What I want is, feeling and devotion. So give, if you like, anything of your own.” She consulted her husband about this vision and decided to give God her ornaments given by her father. The miser felt disconcerted and decided to cheat even God in this item. He undervalued the ornaments at Rs.1,000/- and bought them himself and in lieu of the amount gave a field to God as endowment or security. The wife agreed to this. The field or land was not his own, it belonged to one poor woman named Dubaki who mortgaged it to him for Rs.200/-. She was not able to redeem it for long. So the cunning miser cheated all, his wife, Dubaki and even God. The land was sterile, uncultivated and worth nothing and yielded nothing, even in best seasons.
[COLOR=black]the rest post i am pasting in next thread[/COLOR]

#38

Thus ended this transaction and the land was given in the possession of the poor priest who was pleased with the endowment. Sometime later on, strange things happened. There was a terrific storm and heavy down-pour of rain; lightning struck the house of the miser, when he and his wife both died. Dubaki also breathed her last.
In the next life, the rich miser was born at Mathura in a Brahmin family and was named Veerbhadrappa. His devout wife was born as the daughter of the priest of the temple and was named Gouri. The woman Dubaki (the mortgagor) was born as a male in the family of the Gurav (attendent) of the the temple and was named Chenbassappa. The priest was a friend of Mine, He often came to Me, chatted and smoked with Me. His daughter Gouri was also devoted to Me. She was growing fast and her father was seeking a good husband for her. I told him not to worry about this as the bridegroom himself would come seeking her. Then there came a poor boy named Veerbhadrappa of their caste, wandering and begging his bread to the priest’s house. With My consent Gouri was given in marriage to him. He was also at first devoted to Me as I recommended his marriage with Gouri. Even in this new life he was hankering after money and asked Me to help him to get it as he was leading a married man’s life.
Strange things happened. There was a sudden rise in prices. By Gouri’s good luck, there was a great demand for land and the endowment land was sold for one lakh of rupees (100 times the worth of her ornaments). Half the amount was paid in cash and the remaining was to be paid in 25 instalments of Rs. 2,000/- each. All agreed to this transaction, but began to quarrel over the money. They came to Me for consultation. I told them that the property belonged to God and was vested in the priest and Gouri was his sole heiress and proprietress and no amount should be spent without her consent and that her husband had no right whatsoever to the amount. Hearing my opinion Veerbhadrappa was wroth with Me and said that I wanted to establish Gouri’s claim and embezzle her property. Hearing his words, I remembered God and kept quiet. Veerbhadrappa scolded his wife (Gouri) and she came to Me at noon and requested Me not to mind the words of others and not to discard her as she was My daughter. As she thus sought My protection I gave her a pledge that I would cross seven seas to help her. Then that night Gouri had a vision. Mahadev appeared in her dream and said - “The whole money is yours, do not give anything to anybody, spend some amount for temple purposes in consultation with Chenbassappa and if you want to use it for some other purpose, consult Baba in the Masjid (Myself).” Gouri told Me the vision and I gave her the proper advice in the matter. I told her to take the principal or capital amount to herself, give half the amount of interest to Chenbassappa and that Veerbhadrappa had nothing to do in the matter. While I was thus talking, both Veerbhadrappa and Chenbassappa came there quarreling. I tried My best to appease them and told them God’s vision to Gouri. Veerbhadrappa got wild and angry and threatened to kill Chenbassappa cutting him to pieces. The latter was timid, he caught my feet and sought my refuge. I pledged Myself to save him from the wrath of his foe. Then after some time Veerbhadrappa died and was born as a snake and Chenbassappa died and was born as a frog. Hearing the croaking of Chenbassappa and remembering my pledge, I came here, saved him and kept My word. God runs to His devotees for help in times of danger. He saved Chenbassappa (the frog) by sending Me here. All this is God’s Leela or sport."
[B]The Moral[/B]
The moral of the story is that one has to reap what one sows, and there is no escape unless one suffers and squares up one’s old debts and dealings with others, and that greed for money drags the greedy man to the lowest level and ultimately brings destruction on him and others.

i hope you have understood my previous post with support from vedas on rebirth and karma.
OM

#39

Dear friend,

Namaste,
Few mantras from vedas with meanings for you all, with the practice of yoga , kill your sorrows, read these mantras and understand God and vedas. If possible do yajen. Something which is not possible in physical world is possible in spiritual world. By the grace and permission of Guru and God i am putting for you all.

[B]Rigveda mantra 2/12/2[/B]

[B]YAHA PRITHIVEEM VYATHAMAANAAMADRINGHADYAHA PARVATAANPRKUPITAAM ARAMNNAAT.
YO ANTRIKSHAMA VIMAME VAREEYO YO DYAAMASTABHNAATSA JANAS INDRAHA. [/B]

O! (JANASAHA) learned man (YAHA) he who (VYATHAMAANAAM) rotating (PRITHIVEEM) earth (ADRINGHAT) holds (YAHA) who (PRAKUPITAAN) like angry enemies (PARVATAAN) to clouds (ARAMNNAT) disperses (YAHA) who (VAREEYAHA) huge extensive ( ANTARIKSHAM) space (VIMAME) gives respect i.e., holds and (YAHA) who (DYAM) light (ASTBHNAAT) holds (SAHA) the God (INDRAHA) Himself is Almighty God who too disperses the matters like sun. So amongst the unlimited names of God based on His divine qualities, His one name is also Sun. he is the only God who is to be known.

[B]Idea:[/B]
O! learned man he who holds the rotating earth, who disperses the clouds like angry enemies, who gives respect i.e., holds the huge, extensive space, who holds light i.e., who is form of light and gives light to other heavenly bodies, He is only God who is to be known.

[B]Atharavaveda 12/1/11[/B]

[B]GIRYASTE PARVATA HIMVANTORANNYAM TE PRITHVI SYONAMASTU. <br BABHRUM KRISHNNAM ROHINNEEM VISWAROOPAAM DHRUVAAM BHOOMIM PRITHIVEEMINDRAGUPTAAM.
AJEETOHATO AKSHATODHYASHTHAAM PRITHIVEEMAHAM. [/B]

(PRITHVI) O! earth (TE) your (GIRYAHA) hills and (HIMVANTAHA) ice laiden peaks (PARVATAAHA) mountains and (TE) yours (ARANNYAM) forests (SEYONAM) delightful to heart (ASTU) may.

[B]Idea:[/B] O! earth may your mountains, ice-laiden peaks and your forests be delightful to out heart.

(BABHRUM) nursing (KRISHNNAAM) ploughing (ROHINNEEM) fertile (VISHWARUPAAM) of several beautiful shapes (DHRUVAAM) of de-shaped nature (BHOOMIM) place of shelter (PRITHVEEM) extensive (INDRAGUPTAAM) protected by warriors (PRITHVEEM) of earth (AJEETAHA) without being destroyed and (AHATAHA) without being killed (AKASHATAHA) without being wounded (AHAM) may I (ADHI ASTHAM) be establisher/caretaker.

[B]Idea:[/B]
O! God without being destroyed, killed or wounded may I be establisher/caretaker of the earth which nurses, is plough-able, fertile, of several beautiful shapes, which is of de-shaped nature, is a place of shelter, extensive, protected by warriors.

[B]Atharavaveda 12/1/17[/B]

[B]VISHWASVAM MAATARAMOSHDHEENAAM DHRUVAAM BHUMIM PRITHIVEEM DHARMANNA DHRITAAM.
SHIVAAM SYONAMANU CHAREM VISHWAHA.[/B]

(VISHWASVAM) PRODUCER OF ALL (AUSHADHEENAAM) crops, vegetation, medicinal plants (MATRAM) mother land (DHRUVAAM) firm (BHOOMIM) place of shelter (DHARMANNA) which by its nature of holding and deeds (DHRITAAM) has been held. (SHIVAAM) it is beneficial (SEYONAAM) delightful to heart (PRITHIVEEM ANU) behind the earth (VISHWAHA) in various kinds (CHAREM) to follow.

[B]Idea:[/B]
O! God may we follow in various kinds, the earth which is the beneficial and delightful to heart. The earth is our mother. It is of firm nature, is beneficial, delightful to heart, shelter giving, producer of all crops, vegetation, medicinal plants and exhibits its nature of holding all matters and creates deeds.

[B]Yajurveda mantra 32/4[/B]

[B]YEN DYOORUGRA PRITHVI CHA DRIDHA YEN SWA STBHITAM YEN NAKHA YO ANTARIKSHE RAJSO VIMANAHA KASMI DEVAI HAVISHA VIDHEMA. [/B]

(YEN) the God by whom (UGRA) strong light emitting (DYOHO) heavenly bodies (CHA) and ( PRITHVI) earth and space (DRIDHA) established firmly.

[B]Meaning:[/B] The God by whom the strong light emitting heavenly bodies and earth and space etc., have been firmly established.

(YEN) and the God by whom (SWAHA) un-finishing merriment (STABHITAM) is held and (YEN)the God by whom (NAKAHA)salvation is held and (YAHA) the God (ANTARIKSHE) in the space (RAJSAHA) universe/world (VIMANAHA) specially creates (KASMAI) i.e., shape of merriment too.

KASMAI word is made of ‘KUM’ dhatu of Sanskrit which gives the meaning of merriment. (DEVAAYA) for the dev i.e., God. (HAVISHA) by offerings i.e., aahuti, Yaj /yoga-abhyaas i.e., preach of ashtang yoga. It should be noted that worship of God. If we offer aahuti on havan kund in burning fire, do Yaj and ashtang yoga practice (VIDHEMA) VI=special, DHEM=worship. In this way we do the best worship.

[B]Idea:[/B] The worship is of no use if we do not know the real qualities of God. The God has unlimited unchangeable and immortal qualities, which have been mentioned in the Vedas by God Himself. In this mantra some of the qualities are seen. The idea of mantra is that who is God to worship? Mantra says the light emitting heavenly bodies like sun, moon, stars etc., gives us invaluable light etc., and the earth/space where we reside all the said universe is held and created by God only. He is the shape of merriment and the worshiper is provided with the merriment. Salvation is also held by God and God is only powered to bless to real worshipper with the salvation where every sorrows etc., are ended. There is no other God and will never be in future who can do this task. So we have to worship only the God who is one and will remain unchanged, who creates the universe etc., is formless and immortal.

May we all become like Lord Krishna, rama, Bhisma and all vedanisht people who have attained God and eternal merriment

#40

Dear friends,
namaste,
Every time i tell you about vedas and its greatness as i have read and understood. I will tell about this sacred vedas as told by brahma gyani.There is one more brahma gyani who is contemporary of shirdi sai baba, he is Gajanan maharaj of Shegaon.Both of them were brahma leen purush. you and me are mere mortals who perceive everything by senses, intellect and mind. Where as a brahmaleen purush sees God in every being.He has crossed that stage and become one with God. So we should listen to such brahma gyanis what he says of vedas:

While Maharaj lived at the house of Khandu Patil, there came some Telangi Brahmins. These Telangi Brahmins are known to be quite orthodox, learned and in charge of the authority of Vedic knowledge, but their biggest drawback is that they are somewhat greedy for money. They came to Shri Maharaj with the hope of getting some money from Him. When they came, Shri Maharaj was sleeping. The Brahmins started reciting Vedic hymns loudly to awaken Shri Maharaj. There was some mistake in their recitation, but they did not correct it, so Shri Maharaj got up and said to them, “Why have you become Vedic? You are lowering the greatness of Vedas unnecessarily. This knowledge is not for the purpose of running a business but for the salvation 0f human beings. At least show some respect to the saffron head-dress, which indicates that you are a Vedic. I will now recite the hymns and you repeat the same as I pronounce. Do not misguide innocent poor believers.” Saying so Shri Maharaj recited the same chapter of Vedas, this was being recited by these Brahmins incorrectly. His pronunciation was clear, loud and there was not a single mistake in His recitation. It appeared as if Vashistha himself was reciting the holy Vedas. The Brahmins were astonished and felt embarrassed to even lift their faces. The analogy can be compared to a lit candle fantasizing that it has better capacity to spread light around itself than the sun itself. The Brahmins first thought that Shri Maharaj was a mad person, but now found Him to be a learned saint. They were convinced that all the four Vedas were on the tip of His tongue. They took Shri Maharaja to be a God incarnate and a Brahmin by caste - a yogi free of any bondage or attachment, and because of their good deeds of previous life, they believed they were fortunate enough to get the “Darshan” of such a Godly saint. Shri Maharaja asked Khandu Patil to give them a rupee each as “Dakshina”. The Brahmins accepted this dakshina and happily went away.

Like sai baba of shirdi, his birth details and other things are shrouded in mystery. Just one fine day he was seen in shegaon and was sighted by two people who thought him earlier to be a mad man but later on realised him to be a great saint. It is belived among the masses in india that the great swami samarth of akkalkot was the Guru of sai baba and gajanan maharaj. Swami sammarth was lord datttreya. please do read about him, a real brahma purush like him, sai baba, nityananda, gajanan maharaj, ramkrishna paramhansa, rammana rishi has made India a Tirth.Since time immerorial many yogis have done penance and tapasya in this pious land to realise the higher truths in life by Vedas and yoga.

Further we had a discussion on Bhakti yoga, Karma and Gyan Yoga.Please listen what this brahma gyani has said and try to understand it:

[FONT=Arial][COLOR=blue]Once, Shri Maharaj went to Akot to meet his saint brother Narsinghji, who was a disciple of Kotasha. Although Maratha by caste, he had become dear to Shri Vithala by his Bhakti (devotion). Since I have narrated his detail life in “Bhaktileelamrut", I don’t repeat in here. Akot is 36 miles to the north-east of Shegaon and Gajanan Maharaj went there with the speed of wind. Shri Narsinghji was staying in the dense forest near Akot to get solitude. This forest, without any habitants, was very dense with big trees, creepers, wild grass and many snakes in it. In such dreadful forest Shri Narsinghji was living all alone. Shri Gajanan went there to meet him. Water mixes with water and like things merge with each other. Unlike things never mix with each other. So looking at Shri Gajanan, Shri Narsinghji was happy beyond description. One was Hari and the other Har, one was Rama, while other, the son of Vasudeo-Devaki. One was Ganga and the other that of Godavari. One was the Kohinoor, and the other Kaustubha. One was the Vashistha and the other, son of Anjani. Both of them met each other and were very happy. They sat near each other and exchanged their experiences.
[/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=blue][COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial]Shri Gajanan said, “Narsinha, you have done well by leading a family life. I renounced that and followed the path of Yoga, to know the ultimate reality, the “Brahma”. In this path of yoga, many strange things, incomprehensible to the common man, happen, and to hide them I, many times, behave like a mad man. To know the ultimate Truth there are three paths - Karma, Bhakti and Yoga. Apparently they look like three different paths, but in reality they reach the same goal. If a yogi feels proud of his path, he will remain away from the ultimate Truth. He should keep himself clean from the effect of Yogakriya, like a lotus leaf. Then only he can know the ultimate Truth. Same is the case with family life. You should not have attachment with your family. A pebble remains in water, but does not allow the water to enter it. Such should be your behaviour in family life - free from any expectations and with full concentration in Almighty. Then nothing is impossible. You, me and God are one, and the people too are not different from Him.”[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]Shri Narsinghji said, “I am grateful to you for meeting me. This “Prapanch” is unreal like the shadow at noon. I will follow your advice, but keep on coming to me. Everything is predestined in this world, and we have to perform our duty in this life as per desire of God. My only, request is that you should come frequently to meet me as I am your younger brother. Just like Bharat, waiting at Nandigram for Shri Ram, I am here at Akot for you. With your yogic achievements, it is very easy for you to come here. A yogi, without touching anywhere, can traverse around the universe in minutes.” [/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]With intimate love for each other, they were speaking all that night. Real saints behave like this only, but the hypocrites quarrel with each other. These hypocrites should not be accepted as Guru as they are like a broken ship on the sea. They receive a lot of publicity, but carefully we should discard them. Living in a “math” or learning an art of composing poems does not make one a saint, but only self knowledge does it. Can we accept gold-coated articles as gold, or a prostitute as a house wife? These two saints were real and pious. When people knew that Shri Gajanan Maharaj had come to meet Shri Narsinghji, They thought it to be the confluence of Godavari and Bhagirathi and by going there they could get the satisfaction of taking a dip in that confluence. So the people with coconuts in their hands started rushing to the forest. But Shri Gajanan, with the permission of Shri Narsinghji had already left and all the people were disappointed.[/COLOR]

I hope this must have enlightened us.
Om[/COLOR][/FONT]

#41

Dear friends,
namaste,
In india this is the time of festivals.Wish you all a very happy diwali, though you all do not celebrate it.This festival is celebrated in the rememberence of Lord Rama who returned to ayodhya after a exile of 14 years with his wife.I am going on a vacation and you will not be hearing me for a month.

may god bless all

om

#42

[QUOTE=Hubert;6432]What I learnt form Rudolf Steiner:
The Vedas, -written in a time when people had vital bodies excessing their physical bodies, and such, they still had a connection through it to the spiritual world - represent spiritual realities not for just understanding but as they are result of actual experincing, and not revelations to profhets and recorded by other people, as the Bible as example, they are divine also in their form. That does not mean one cannot use reason to study them, but they are more than a text to understood.

I am glad that through your explanations I’ve become a bit more familiar how the Vedas are, Rashmi.

(Comparison is used as it is, without any judgement of value. Of course both these holy sources have good reasons to be as they are.)[/QUOTE]

hi, do you recall by any chance, which book of Steiner’s it is?
thank you

#43

Sorry, I just noticed your question.

It is in “The East in the Light of the West” … it also has a subtitle, The children of Lucifer and the brothers of Christ. Boohoo !!! :smiley:

#44

To Rashmi …
I learnt gayatri mantra and did use it with success. It has a great power. I have grown great respect for it as I found that there can be a link made with my religion. First, the word “savitur” catched my attention. It reminded me of the word “saviour”. Don’t ask me why … it just popped in. But it did not let me rest and found about Savitr on wiki:

[I]“In [/I][I]Vedic religion[/I][I], [B]Savitr[/B] ([/I][I]stem[/I][I]), [B]Savitā[/B] ([/I][I]nominative[/I][I]singular[/I][I]) is a [/I][I]solar deity[/I][I] (see [/I][I]Deva[/I][I]) and one of the [/I][I]Adityas[/I][I]. His name is in [/I][I]Vedic Sanskrit[/I][I] meanings “impeller, rouser, vivifier”.[/I]
[I]Savitr is described in the [/I][I]Vedas[/I][I] as having [/I][I]golden[/I][I] arms, hands, hair, etc. He is sometimes identified with, and at other times distinguished from, the chief [/I][I]Sun[/I][I] deity [/I][I]Surya[/I][I]. A number of [/I]beautiful[I] Vedic [/I][I]hymns[/I][I] are invoked in his praise. He is the god of the Sun at [/I][I]Sunrise and[/I][I]Sunset[/I][I], and was most often invoked in the latter role in Vedic hymns.”[/I]

Steiner tought that the Christ has come through a Sun being. The transfiguration scene from the gospels of the New Testament on mount Hermon describes the saviour with His face glowing like the Sun. Steiner said that Zarathustra (Zoroaster) an initiate ruler of the proto-persians (preshistoric cultural age in the persian geographic area) saw the descending Christ in the Sun’s aura.

Too much coincidence to neglect, I am not jumping to any conclusions but I think this entitles me to make this intuitive connection anytime I chant this mantra. This also worths investigation, for the greater good of understanding each other’s religion and marvel of the hidden, common truths.
I believe with fervor that all great religions represent the same facets of an universal truth, and this being so without to take away anything from any of them. Christianity in it’s outer expression cannot match the insight and revelation of the Vedas, but an esoteric christianity could use the depths of India’s inner knowledge just as India uses the outer achievments of western culture.

Please share if you know more of Savitr.

#45

[QUOTE=Hubert;8370]Sorry, I just noticed your question.

It is in “The East in the Light of the West” … it also has a subtitle, The children of Lucifer and the brothers of Christ. Boohoo !!! :D[/QUOTE]

interesting; worth a read?

#46

Dear friends,
namaste,
I have been on a long vacation to a place called amaipakkam in chennai near mahabalipuram.Have seen 1400 years old temple at tripurkundalam where the great siddha yogi Lord shiva and siddha yogin parvati his consort is worshipped which has its own legend.But the temple was magnificent and the experience too visit was truly divine.Lord Shiva, was a great siddha yogi same is his consort parvati/sati etc. He was there prior to birth of Lord Rama. He is always shown engrossed in state of samadhi enjoying somaras.Soma ras or soma in vedas is described as a divine merriment/bliss which a yogi enjoys when he is in a state of samadhi.People think it is alcohol this is not correct.Shiva is always in a state of samadhi. The third eye represented is a spiritual eye which is awakened in him by the divine powers and hard practice of astanga yoga.Incidentally all 12 Jyotirlinga in india are associated with this great siddha yogi.Swami Nityananda is believed to be the same soul.Till the time he was alive there was a pertpetual water which was flowing on a ancient shiva linga at a shiva temple at Ganeshpuri.Once a devotee came for his darshan at Ashram at Ganeshpuri. He could not find him there, he got dejected and was going back, on his return journey he went to this shiva temple, he saw nityananda there with his one leg on Shivlinga and having trishul.As per vedas That formless omniscient ever present God has no husband, wife, he never takes birth or dies.With his will and dream during the day of brahma the world is running.The law of karma is the basis of all beings.However the highly realised souls on divines will take birth to guide us and show the correct path whenever dharma is on decline.This is referred as incarnation.
Essentially what i have understood is mainly all the traditions of India have roots in vedas.However post mahabharat war due to decline of knowledge of vedas and sorrows people had forgotten the root(vedas) and it became traditions.Lets have a look at all these:

  1. Respect of parents : As per vedas there are five alive Gods and 33 non alive Gods. Parents are among two alive Gods (Mother and father). All siddha yogis have emphasised on respecting parents and treating them at par with God.

  2. Guru shishya parampara. This itself have its root in vedas. The first Guru of Four rishis at the bigning of creation was almighty God. Then this tradition continued.Further all the arts like classical music, dance, Brahma Gyan have Guru shishya parampara.The highest Knowledge in the world is Brahma Gyan can only be imparted by a worthy Guru. On this i have dealt at length.

  3. Marraiage: The indian marriage has vedic roots.First Garlands are exchanged between bride and groom.A pious fire is lighted as per vedas,The hymns from vedas along with ahutis are chanted and sapta padi or seven vows are being taken by bride and Groom.The marraigae is conducted by a person who knows vedas and its procedures.Vedas doesnot talk of Dowry or other things.As per vedas the age of marriage for Girl is 18 and boys 21.Bal vivah all have come post islamic invasion and superstitions.As under the islamic rule girls were abducted and raped and it was justified under islams tenets. so to avoid all this bal vivah, parda pratha have come got included.The custom of arranged marriage is as per vedas.there are sixteen typers of marriage as per vedas.

  4. Women. In vedas it is told to respect women. It is said where women are given and treated with respect there resides God and that house will be full of wealth and happiness.Women have equal right as men in vedas they were brahma gyanis, learned of vedas.Even during Shankrachayas time in 5th century a learned lady had a debate with him.This clearly reflects the position of women prior to invasions.Devi sita, Draupadi all were taught vedas and were highly learned as described in ramayana and mahabharat.They were bachelors like men too.For example Gargi who was Guru of Sita was not married.Shabri who was a shudra as per her profession has patanga muni as her Guru.Her conduct and knowledge is evident in Ramayana.

  5. Chastity and Brahmacharya. Women are always advised to be chaste and pativrata. In vedas God has said he has to obey the words of a chaste and pativatra wife. sati Anusuya, savitri and Sita are known as pativrta and chastye wife.Who have always obeyed there husband.Sati anusuya with her chastity has turned siddha yogis like brahma, vishnu and mahesh into kids.Men are advised to follow brahmacharya. AS a married persons men and women are too advised to follow brahmacharya.The aim of marriage is not sex, it is togetherness and spiritual emancipation of soul along with other roles.

God in vedas has said he will always full fill words of a brahma Yogi/saint and a chaste/pativrata wife.When we read all these ancient Granths written by rishis you come to know Animals and man were at peace.Animals would follow instructions of rishis, even ferocious animals were living in peace with each other.This i will explain afterwards with examples from brahmagyanis life.

thats it
Om

#47

Hi Rashmi,

You talk of the five alive Gods and name two of them (mother and father), who are the other three?

#48

welcome back:) it sounds very interesting.

#49

Steiner has a huge opus. I’d recommend “The philosophy of freedom”. This is purely philosophic, no metaphysics in it. It is said to be the foundation for understanding of his more occult works. But Steiner is very hard to read. One must have the resilience of a bulldog, as he has his own way of thinking, and most of the things or concepts he uses must be well understood to avoid confusion. I have to say, I did not manage to read “The philospohy of freedom”, yet, though I started it quite a few times.

What I read from him is “The occult science”; “Reincarnation and karma”; “The Revelations of John”.
He also has a very good book called “Knowledge of higher worlds”, very good and fresh view on personal efforts to be done to achieve spiritual sight.

About the title I quoted from, it is a list of conferences held by Steiner, and it brings light on so many things … But as all of his work, can be misunderstood if we do not understand correctly what he means by the words and concepts he uses. Through his epic work, an unknown grandiouse history of humanity reveals itself, what integrates all religions and traditions, and makes them to be seen in a new, refreshing, elevating way, something to anyone can relate. Traditions come alive in his view, and get in the reach of our everyday life.

Some of his work uses late XIX century scientific beleives and views, now obsolate, what might discard his entire work in the eyes of critics and scpetics. This is a big mistake. He was well aware of the limits of his own age, and he once said that in a thousand years only “The Philospohy of Freedom” will be remembered. This does not make his works irrelevant though. His work is transformative in the deepest sense.

See if you can eat it, if it nis nourishment to you … if not, than neglect it. I just wanted to warn you, it is not just a read, his works are not intellectual treatises with a blurry subject, as he was a seer, one having direct spiritual sight. They called these prophets, way back. :slight_smile:

Sorry Rashmi for highjacking the post, but I did not want to create a new thread on this as I feel it might be outside the scope of this forum. As the quoted title touches hinduism and Vedas, I thought it might be interesting to mention. Now I am done, and will read on what you have to say.

#50

[quote=Rashmi;8380]Dear friends,

  1. Chastity and Brahmacharya. Women are always advised to be chaste and pativrata. In vedas God has said he has to obey the words of a chaste and pativatra wife. sati Anusuya, savitri and Sita are known as pativrta and chastye wife.Who have always obeyed there husband.Sati anusuya with her chastity has turned siddha yogis like brahma, vishnu and mahesh into kids.Men are advised to follow brahmacharya. AS a married persons men and women are too advised to follow brahmacharya.The aim of marriage is not sex, it is togetherness and spiritual emancipation of soul along with other roles.

Om[/quote]

Thank you for sharing this. As it happens, these days I have been reading Saint Augustine on this subject of chastity. The same thing you say it is required also for christians. Apparently the so called sexual revolution did quite a damage to these values.

#51

Dear frinds,
namaste,

The five alive Gods as per vedas are:

  1. Almighty God 2. Mother 3. father 4. Guru 5. Athithi
    Only these gods are to be worshipped.Further Savitur has come from savitaha .In gayatri mantra it has been referred to that formless, omniscient God who is creator .God has many names in vedas .At times he is referred as Vishnu, Brahma, Shiva, Vasudev etc.There is only one God rest all gods referred are highly emancipated and realised souls with different forms.
    However prior to mahabharat world was following vedic culture.People were keeping beautiful names from vedas.And many souls have realsied God on this Path. Jesus himself was a realised soul from Birth.After liberation/moksha and self realisation soul is free from the debt of karmas.Whenever such soul assumes bodies it remebers everything depending on the stages of realisation.As the kowledge of vedas after realistion is immortal.This is clear from lives of Lord Krishna, Swami Nityananda, sai baba of shirdi, Swami samarth and shri Guru(narsinghmendra saraswati) and jesus too.Such Soul can take birth anywhere as per divine will and purpose

Please do read biographies of this highly realised siddha yogis who have assumed bodies in recent 600 years, you will understand better what i say.Further your senses will get purify and you will get insight as per your devotion, may get spiritual experience too :

  1. Swami Nityananda
    2 Swami ramakrishna Paramhansa
    3.Swami sammarth of akkalkot/shriguru/padvallabh, www.swamisamarth.org
    4.Sai baba of shirdi.
    5.Shri Gajanan maharaj
    6.Swaminarayan
  2. Lord chaitanaya.
    8.Trailangswami, there is no biography of him but i have read only a small account of his life
    further you read autobiography of yogi.you will understand much better
    After reading these siddha yogis you will understand Lord Krishna/rama/sage vasistha etc.
    As per my Guru:

The target of a human life to realize truth under the guidance of a Guru even continues (in) the family life like Shri Ram, sita etc., or a brahamcharya life like Bal brahmcharini Gargi who was the Guru of king Janak. But now a days due to attraction in materialistic articles only the people have become ignorant about the path of eternal spiritualism for which we have been blessed with a human body.
God is not seen with eyes etc., but God is only realized by a Rishi who knows Vedas philosophy and has practiced ashtang yoga philosophy. Geeta shlok 7/19 also refers. The Rishis have explained their experiences of realizing God and other benefits in their shastras/upnishads etc. And they have clarified in their holy books that they got the knowledge from Vedas traditionally in Guru shishya method. So now a days there may also be the Rishi of such kind. Now there is lack of study of Vedas, therefore people are totally unable to justify that who is the real Guru.
Saamveda mantra 164 wherein it is said," AA TU AA IT" i.e., come, come and come here “NISHIDAT” i.e., sit down please and “INDRAM PRAGYAT” i.e., recite and learn and even sing the reality of Almighty God. Saam veda mantra 252 says YATHA TRISHYAN GAURAH just like a thirsty animal like deer etc., “APA KRITAM IRRINM ETI” goes to a water tank in a jungle. Similarly NA APITEVE KANVESHU we must be desirous of getting contact with learned Guru TUYAM AW AA GAHI SACHA PIB to realize immortal God. So now a days to be thirsty one to realize God or to do pious deeds or to worship or to contact with spiritual master has been a tough taskdue to attraction towards materialistic articles. But Vedas says about the truth that the first birth of a man or woman is from parents which is like darkness, selfishness, being full of illusion. So there is a word in Vedas Dwij, Dwi= second, ja means janam i.e.,birth. So in human life one has to take second birth. This birth is taken from a spiritual master, real Guru who knows eternal philosophy of Vedas and yoga and has practiced and has experiences thereof.

OM

#52

[QUOTE=Hubert;6862]mann- manas is usually translated as mind as far as I know. The seat of intellect or buddhi is the heart chakra. Mind/manas is related to ajna chakra. Please correct me if I am wrong.

This last post of Guru Kripa yoga is very comforting.[/QUOTE]

thank you for your input on Steiner; sorry i can’t find the thread to post this there.

#53

Is it important to fully understand & comprehend the Mantra (in the mind & intellect)? Or is it ok to just chant them without fully understanding its full meaning.

The question I am asking is that are the resonance of the Mantra more important then the meaning?

I find that both the Gayatri Mantra & the Mahamirtyunjaya Mantra very powerful to recite.:smiley:

Thank you.
Namaste.
Fin

#54

It is best if you recite mantra after understanding its meaning.You should know the meaning and understand it.Afterwards you can recite it in your heart. Sometimes when i do havan i just recite these mantras , othertimes as per availabity of time i recite every mantra with meaning and offer ahuti.

However once at the begining of recitation recite it with meaning .I have been reciting these mantras since childhood without knowing meaning.Now by Gods grace and kripa of Guru i have understood the meaning and greatness of God.At times when i am fearful or afraid i recite gayatri mantra repeatedly. However the recitation will never go waste, do it full devotion.

I have Given the meaning of both mantras as first time after meeting my guru my darkness has got dispelled and i have got somebody who has true insight of vedas.I consider my merit of past birth are propelling towards vedas and yoga.

God in vedas has said learn vedas from a samadhist mantradrista yogi who has realised him and in whose heart vedas are originated.

OM

#55

Understanding the mantra mentally is one aspect, chanting is another (resonances) but the third and just as important (if not more important) aspect is not it’s meaning but truly meaning it. Beleiveing-knowing that this way we actually talk to Divinity, and beleiveing-knowing that Divinity listens and talks to us also. I see mantra as prayer.
Mantra yoga is the safest path, though a slow one. But the lasts often become the firsts … I believe heaven is packed by mantra yogis, and hell is packed by fallen kundalini ones. :slight_smile: