Vedas,yoga and meditation

[Rashmi]

Dear frinds,
namaste,

The five alive Gods as per vedas are:

1. Almighty God 2. Mother 3. father 4. Guru 5. Athithi
   Only these gods are to be worshipped.Further Savitur has come from savitaha .In gayatri mantra it has been referred to that formless, omniscient God who is creator .God has many names in vedas .At times he is referred as Vishnu, Brahma, Shiva, Vasudev etc.There is only one God rest all gods referred are highly emancipated and realised souls with different forms.
   However prior to mahabharat world was following vedic culture.People were keeping beautiful names from vedas.And many souls have realsied God on this Path. Jesus himself was a realised soul from Birth.After liberation/moksha and self realisation soul is free from the debt of karmas.Whenever such soul assumes bodies it remebers everything depending on the stages of realisation.As the kowledge of vedas after realistion is immortal.This is clear from lives of Lord Krishna, Swami Nityananda, sai baba of shirdi, Swami samarth and shri Guru(narsinghmendra saraswati) and jesus too.Such Soul can take birth anywhere as per divine will and purpose

Please do read biographies of this highly realised siddha yogis who have assumed bodies in recent 600 years, you will understand better what i say.Further your senses will get purify and you will get insight as per your devotion, may get spiritual experience too :

1. Swami Nityananda
   2 Swami ramakrishna Paramhansa
   3.Swami sammarth of akkalkot/shriguru/padvallabh, www.swamisamarth.org
   4.Sai baba of shirdi.
   5.Shri Gajanan maharaj
   6.Swaminarayan
2. Lord chaitanaya.
   8.Trailangswami, there is no biography of him but i have read only a small account of his life
   further you read autobiography of yogi.you will understand much better
   After reading these siddha yogis you will understand Lord Krishna/rama/sage vasistha etc.
   As per my Guru:

The target of a human life to realize truth under the guidance of a Guru even continues (in) the family life like Shri Ram, sita etc., or a brahamcharya life like Bal brahmcharini Gargi who was the Guru of king Janak. But now a days due to attraction in materialistic articles only the people have become ignorant about the path of eternal spiritualism for which we have been blessed with a human body.
God is not seen with eyes etc., but God is only realized by a Rishi who knows Vedas philosophy and has practiced ashtang yoga philosophy. Geeta shlok 7/19 also refers. The Rishis have explained their experiences of realizing God and other benefits in their shastras/upnishads etc. And they have clarified in their holy books that they got the knowledge from Vedas traditionally in Guru shishya method. So now a days there may also be the Rishi of such kind. Now there is lack of study of Vedas, therefore people are totally unable to justify that who is the real Guru.
Saamveda mantra 164 wherein it is said," AA TU AA IT" i.e., come, come and come here “NISHIDAT” i.e., sit down please and “INDRAM PRAGYAT” i.e., recite and learn and even sing the reality of Almighty God. Saam veda mantra 252 says YATHA TRISHYAN GAURAH just like a thirsty animal like deer etc., “APA KRITAM IRRINM ETI” goes to a water tank in a jungle. Similarly NA APITEVE KANVESHU we must be desirous of getting contact with learned Guru TUYAM AW AA GAHI SACHA PIB to realize immortal God. So now a days to be thirsty one to realize God or to do pious deeds or to worship or to contact with spiritual master has been a tough taskdue to attraction towards materialistic articles. But Vedas says about the truth that the first birth of a man or woman is from parents which is like darkness, selfishness, being full of illusion. So there is a word in Vedas Dwij, Dwi= second, ja means janam i.e.,birth. So in human life one has to take second birth. This birth is taken from a spiritual master, real Guru who knows eternal philosophy of Vedas and yoga and has practiced and has experiences thereof.

OM

[spiridoul]

[QUOTE=Hubert;6862]mann- manas is usually translated as mind as far as I know. The seat of intellect or buddhi is the heart chakra. Mind/manas is related to ajna chakra. Please correct me if I am wrong.

This last post of Guru Kripa yoga is very comforting.[/QUOTE]

thank you for your input on Steiner; sorry i can’t find the thread to post this there.

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Is it important to fully understand & comprehend the Mantra (in the mind & intellect)? Or is it ok to just chant them without fully understanding its full meaning.

The question I am asking is that are the resonance of the Mantra more important then the meaning?

I find that both the Gayatri Mantra & the Mahamirtyunjaya Mantra very powerful to recite.

Thank you.
Namaste.
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[Rashmi]

It is best if you recite mantra after understanding its meaning.You should know the meaning and understand it.Afterwards you can recite it in your heart. Sometimes when i do havan i just recite these mantras , othertimes as per availabity of time i recite every mantra with meaning and offer ahuti.

However once at the begining of recitation recite it with meaning .I have been reciting these mantras since childhood without knowing meaning.Now by Gods grace and kripa of Guru i have understood the meaning and greatness of God.At times when i am fearful or afraid i recite gayatri mantra repeatedly. However the recitation will never go waste, do it full devotion.

I have Given the meaning of both mantras as first time after meeting my guru my darkness has got dispelled and i have got somebody who has true insight of vedas.I consider my merit of past birth are propelling towards vedas and yoga.

God in vedas has said learn vedas from a samadhist mantradrista yogi who has realised him and in whose heart vedas are originated.

OM

[Hubert]

Understanding the mantra mentally is one aspect, chanting is another (resonances) but the third and just as important (if not more important) aspect is not it’s meaning but truly meaning it. Beleiveing-knowing that this way we actually talk to Divinity, and beleiveing-knowing that Divinity listens and talks to us also. I see mantra as prayer.
Mantra yoga is the safest path, though a slow one. But the lasts often become the firsts … I believe heaven is packed by mantra yogis, and hell is packed by fallen kundalini ones.

[Rashmi]

Dear friends,
namste,
I have always told you that all the upnishads have come from vedas.there are some 18 major upnishads which a soul aspiring self realisation should read. These upnishads are the simple discourses given by mantradrishta rihis to make the disciple understand the subtle and lofty idels of veda on soul and God.
One such upnishad is isha upnishad.The great siddha yogi Sai baba of shirdi how easily made his disciple understand the truth of this upnishad by taking real life example.This is long but do read it and enjoy the nectar of vedic wisdom which purifys the soul:

[B]Ishavasya Upanishad [/B]
Das Ganu once started to write a Marathi commentary ont he Ishavasya Upanishad. Let us first give a brief idea of this Upanishad, before proceeding further. It is called a Mantropanishad', as it is embodied in the Mantras of the Vedic Samhita. It constitutes the last or the 40th Chapter of the Vajasaneyi Samhita (Yajurveda) and it is, therefore, called Vajasaneyi Samhitopanishad. Being embodied in Vedic Samhitas, this is regarded as superior to all other Upanishads, which occur in the Brahmanas and Aranyakas (explanatory treatises on Martras and rituals). Not only this, other Upanishads are considered to be commentaries on the truths mentioned briefly in the Ishavasya Upanishad. For instance, the biggest of the Upanishads, viz, the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, is considered by Pandit Satwalekar to be a running commentary on the Ishavasya Upanishad. Professor R.D. Ranade says:- "The Ishopanishad is quite a small Upanishad; and yet it contains many hints which show an extraordinarily piercing insight. Within the short compass of 18 verses, it gives a valuable mystical description of the Atman, a description of the ideal sage, who stands unruffled in the minds of temptations and sorrows; and adumbration of the doctrine of Karma-Yoga as later formulated, and finally a reconciliation of the claims of knowledge and works. The most valuable ideas, that lies at the root of the Upanishad, is that of a logical synthesis between the two opposites of knowledge; and work, which are both required according to the Upanishad to be annulled in a higher synthesis". (page 24 of the Constructive Survey of the Upanishad Philosophy). In another place he says that "The poetry of the Ishopanishad is a Commixture of moral, mystical and metaphysical (ibid, Page 41)". From the brief description given above about this Upanishad, any one can see how difficult it is to translate this Upanishad in a vernacular language, and brief out its exact meaning. Das Ganu translated it in Marathi 'Ovi'metre, verse by verse, but as he did not comprehend the gist or essence of the Upanishad, he was not satisfied with his performance. He therefore consulted some learned men regarding his doubts and difficulties and discussed with them at great length. They did not solve them nor did they give him any rational and satisfactory explanation. So Das Ganu was a little restless over this matter. [B]SadGuru only competent and Qualified to Explain[/B] As we have seen, this Upanishad is the quintessence of the Vedas. It is the science of self-realization, it is the scythe or weapon which can rend asunder the bondage of life and death, and make us free. Therefore, he thought, that he who has himself attained self-realization, can only give him the true or correct interpretation of the Upanishad. When nobody could satisfy Das Ganu, he resolved to consult Sai Baba about this. When he got an opportunity to go to Shirdi, he saw Sai Baba, prostrated himself before Him, and mentioned his difficulties about the Ishavasya Upanishad and requested Him to give the correct solution. Sai Baba, blessed him and said- "You need not be anxious, there is no difficulty about the matter, the mind-servant of Kaka (Kakasaheb Dixit) will solve your doubts at Vile Parle, on your way home". The people who went present then and heard this, thought that Baba was joking and said, "How could an illiterate maid-servant solve the difficulties of this nature", but Das Garu thought otherwise. He was sure, that whatever Baba spoke, must come true, Baba's word was the decree of the Brahma (Almighty). [B]Kaka's Maid-Servant [/B] On fully believing in Baba's words, he left Shirdi and came to Vile Parle (a suburb of Bombay), and stayed with Kakasaheb Dixit. There the next day, when Das Ganu was enjoying his morning nap (some say when he was engaged in worship), he heard a poor girl singing a beautiful song in clear and melodious tones. The subject matter of the song was a crimson coloured Sari, how nice it was, how fine was its embroidery, how beautiful were its ends and borders etc. He liked the song so much that he came out, and saw that it was being sung by a young girl, the sister of Namya, who was a servant of Kakasaheb. The girl was cleaning vessels, and had only a torn rag on her person. On seeing her impoverished condition, and her jovial temperament, Das Ganu felt pity for her and when Rao Bahadur M.V.Pradhan next day gave him a pair of dhotars, he requested him to give a sari to the poor little girl also. Rao Bahadur bought a good Chirdi (small Sari) and presented it to her. Like a starving person getting luckily good dishes to eat, her joy knew to bounds. Next day she wore the new Sari, and out of great joy and merriment, whirled, danced round and playedFugadi’ with other girls and excelled them all. The Day following, she kept the new Sari in her box at home and came with the old and torn rags, but she looked as merry as she did the previous day. On seeing this, Das Ganu’s pity was transferred into admiration. He thought that the girl being poor had to wear a torn rag, but now she had a new Sari which she kept in reserve and putting on the old rag, strutted herself, showing no trace of sorrow or dejection. Thus he realized that all our feelings of pain and pleasure depend upon the attitude of our mind. On thinking deeply over this incident, he realized that a man ought to enjoy whatever God has bestowed on him in the firm conviction that He besets every thing, from behind and before, and on all sides and that whatever is bestowed on him by God must be for his good. In this particular case, the impoverished condition of the poor girl, her torn rag and the new Sari, the donor, the dance and the acceptance were all parts of the Lord and pervaded by Him. Hence, Das Ganu got a practical demonstration of the lesson of the Upanishad - the lesson of contentment with one’s own lot in the belief that whatever happens, is ordained by God, and is ultimately good for us.

Om

[Rashmi]

Rest of the upnishads explanation for you

[B]Unique Method of Teaching [/B]
From the above incident, the reader will see that Baba’s method was unique and varied. Though Baba never left Shirdi, He sent some to Machhindragad, some to Kolhapur or Sholapur for practising sadhanas. To some He appeared in His usual form, to some He appeared in waking or dreaming state, day or night and satisfied their desires. It is impossible to describe all the methods, that Baba used in imparting instructions to His Bhaktas. In this particular case, He sent Das Ganu to Vile Parle, where he got his problem solved, through the maid-servant. To those, who say that it was not necessary to sent Das Ganu outside and that Baba could have personally taught him, we say that Baba followed the right or best course, or how else could Das Ganu would have learnt a great lesson, that the poor maid-servant and her Sari were pervaded by the Lord.
Now we close the Chapter with another beautiful extract about this Upanishad.
[B]The Ethics of the Ishavasya Upanishad [/B]
"One of the main features of the Ishavasya Upanishad, is the ethical advice it offers, and it is interesting to note that the ethics of the Upanishad are definitely based upon the meta-physical position advanced in it. The very opening words of the Upanishad tell us that God pervades every thing. As a corollary from this metaphysical position, the ethical advice it offers is, that a man ought to enjoy whatever God bestows on him in the firm belief, that as He pervades everything, whatever is bestowed on him by God must be good. It follows naturally, that the Upanishad should forbid us from coveting another man’s property. In fact, we are fittingly taught here a lesson of contentment with one’s own lot in the belief that whatever happens, it is divinely ordained and it is hence good for us. Another moral advice is, that man must spend his life-time always in doing action, specially the karmas enjoined in the Shastras, in a mood of believing resignation to His will. Inactivity, according to this Upanishad, would be the canker of the soul. It is only when a man spends his life-time on doing actions in this manner, that he can hope to attain the ideal of Naishkarmya. Finally, the text goes on to say that a man, who sees all beings in the Self and sees the Self as existing in all beings; in fact, for whom all beings and everything that exists have becomes the Self - how can such a man suffer infatuation? What ground would such a man have for grief? Loathfulness, infatuation and grief verily proceed from our not being able to see the Atman in all things. But a man, who realizes the oneness of all things, for whom everything has become the Self, must ipso facto, cease to be affected by the common foibles of humanity. (Page 169-170 of The Creative Period by Messrs. Belvalkar and Ranade).

[COLOR=black]I hope we have gained some deep insight into vedas through this upnishad[/COLOR]
[COLOR=black]OM[/COLOR]

[Rashmi]

Dear friends ,
Namaste and wish you all merry Christmas,

Now few more traditions of India which have roots in Vedas:-

1.              Cow :- Hindus do not eat meat or slaughter Cows. God in Vedas has ordered human beings not to eat kill animals until they have turned ferocious and attack human beings.The tradition of shikar is to hunt ferocious animals who are posing threat to human beings, and have turned man eater.But present day people go for shikar and kill animals for pleasure. As souls get bodies of different animals bird, man, women etc as per deeds it performs. A soul is neither male nor female, it is genderless, it is indestructible.So to suffer from its deeds the body is given by the creator by killing others we are doing wrong. God in Vedas have told not to slaughter Cows especially as it is considered equivalent to brahma.So hindus do not kill cows and eat beef.
   

2.              Creamation: Hindus burn the dead bodies in wooden pyre after death with veda mantras as per Vedas. This is the last sanskar to be performed for human body as per Vedas. This is called narmdehyajen. The ashes are immersed in flowing water.After thirteen days therahvee is to be kept . Now  it is done as per the Vedas the explanation as per my Guruji I am giving:
   

In Atharvaveda mantra 8/8/11 ‘Yamdut’ means = ‘YAM’ means God, and ‘dut’ means storm, cyclone, flood, earthquake, heavy rains, etc., etc., in mantra the air is Yam. So when a soul is to leave a body then by the power of God sutratma air enters the body and takes the soul out of it then goes to Savita, etc.

In 39th chapter of Yajurveda the process of this cremation is mentioned. This process is also called as “NARMEDH YAJYEN”, “PURUSH MEDH YAJYEN” and “DAH KARAM” and “ANTEYESHATI KARAM”. Atharvaveda mantra 10/8/26 says “YEH CHAKAR SAH JAJAR” means He (God) who makes the body, He destroys the same one day. Sense of Yajurveda mantra 39/5 is that when the soul leaves the body then the soul wanders in so many places, takes another body according to its previous deeds (karmas).

Yajurveda mantra 39/6 says that the soul after leaving the body first day goes to Savita (sun), second day agnihi (fire), third Vaayu (normal air), fourth Aditya, fifth chandrma (moon), sixth ritu (seasons), seventh marutah, eighth brihaspati (tiniest air), ninth mitrah (breathing), tenth varunah (udan air), eleventh indrah (electricity), twelfth Vishvedevah (in all divine qualities). Then, after wandering in sky, gets body according to previous deeds. So these twelve days are completed, then after 13 days the soul takes another body. Rigveda mandal 10 sukta 135 says that normally soul after getting body faces the result of its past lives’ deeds and under influence of illusion (duly attracted towards illusion) does sins and again gets birth to face the sins. The soul is immortal and always separate from body. When an aspirant meets with a learned Acharya and gets spiritual education, then the fourth mantra says that the soul gets salvation

Mantra is APAANG PRAANGETI SWDHAYAA GRIBHITAH AMARTYO MARTYENAA SAYONIHI. TA SHASHVANTA VISHUCHINA VIYANTA NYA NYAM CHIKYURN NI CHIKYURNYAM.

Soul according to its good or bad (APANGETI) takes bodies of animals, birds, insects etc., and (PRANG) bodies of Rishis, Munis, i.e., (uuch Yoni) best bodies after leaving the present body, the soul (SWDHAYAA GRIBHITAH) duly attached with its own power of taking birth according to pious deeds and sins, enters other bodies (AMARTAYAH) though the soul is away from death being immortal but after death of bodies, takes new bodies. These ideas of Vedas has very well been mentioned in Bhagwat Geeta shlok 2/20 wherein Yogeshwar Shri Krishna says (AJO NITYAH SHASHWATOAYAM PURAANNO NA HANYTE HANYAMANNE SHARIRE ) i.e., the soul is (AJAH NITAYAH SHASHWATOH) never takes birth and is eternal (NAHANYATE HANAYMANNE SHARIRE) in fact after death of body too soul is never dead being immortal. (TASHASHVANTA) this process of death and birth of bodies and souls is eternal.

(VISHUCHINA VYANTA) soul and bodies goes far away to different directions [soul goes to Savita etc., {given below} according to Yajurveda chapter 39 and then takes birth and get another bodies and five elements of bodies goes to space and are mixed within air, fire etc., according to Yajurveda mantra 40/15] (ANYAM NICHIKYHU) many learned knows about this fact (ANYAM NICHIKYHU) another who are lack of knowledge of Vedas do not know the fact, i.e., we mostly know our body but not ourselves, i.e., soul. Death is sure i.e., the body will have to be cremated one day.

[ul]
[li][B][U] Sanskar[/U][/B]: Hindus especially Brahmins perform all the sanskar as per Vedas, as Vedas knowledge got limited to them in kaliyug. The sanskar as per Vedas to be performed for every soul taken birth as human beings are under the guidance of a learned Guru who knows Vedas because in every sanskar the havan is perforemed with Vedic mantras. These all were performed in Satyug, Dwapur, treta yuga and too by Shri Ram, Shri Krishna etc.[/li]

1. Garbhdhan Sanskar — which is performed just after marriage and before pregnancy to have a good baby.
2. Punsvan sanskar —which is peformed just after pregnancy of second or third month.
3. Seemantonnayan sanskar —in 4th, 6th or in 8th month of pregnancy.
4. Jaatkaram Sanskar —just after birth of a baby i.e., the same day.
5. Naamkaran sanskar —after 101 days of birth in which name of the baby is announced.
6. Nishkraman sanskar— when the mother and baby comes out of the house. In the 3rd or 4th month totravel or to go anywhere.
7. Annprasahn sanskar— in the 6th month of the baby after birth on the same day of birth. In this sanskarthe baby is allowed to take solid food because up to 5th month baby had been taking milk/water only.
8. Churakaram sanskar i.e., Mundan sanskar—in the first or third year.
9. Karanvedh sanskar— ear piercing ceremony.
10. Upnayan sanskar i.e., allowing baby to go school first time.
11. Vedaarambh sanskar i.e., to start study of Vedas in 6to 8 years.
12. Samavartan sanskar— i.e., the baby has attained the knowledge of Vedas. It is performed in the age of fourteen years.13. Vivah sanskar i.e., marriage ceremony.
13. Vanprasth sanskar— in the age of 51 plus.
14. Sanyas sanskar — in the age of 75 plus or at any age when anyone becomes ascetic.
15. then the last, Anteshti sanskar when death comes. This sanskar is of dead body i.e., cremation
    [li]Aswamedh yajen: These yajen was performed by lord Krishna, rama etc and all great ancient kings as per Vedas. It does not mean horses are to be slaughtered as explained by Maxmuller and other western scholars and offered in yajen. It is a mistake to interpret Vedas as per words. It actually is :[/ul] The meaning of Ashwamedh Yaj is, “to perform the Yaj for the benefit of the nation”. Here the literal meaning of ashwa in Vedas is nation and not horse. Rigveda mantra 5/27/5 states that the person who wishes to obtain chakravarti rajya (to be monarch), he organizes Ashwamedh Yaj. In the Yaj he listens the Vedic mantra and do Yajyen by controlling his senses, organs and mind. Rigveda mantra 5/27/6 states that king and his public must organize Ashwamedh Yaj i.e., to build a long live strong kingdom. In this way king must depute learned acharya of Vedas to spread the knowledge of Vedas all over the nation, so that the people must be learned to be away from illusion and sins and must obey the rules and regulations etc., etc. [/li]
    Ideally the king must himself organize Yaj and more and more wherein he must sit to listen the Vedas, especially the subject, “how to rule”, so that a strong, happy, rich and long live nation is built. So Ashwamedh means nation. Ashwamaed Yaj is performed by a strong king. The main benefit of the Yajyen is that it gives long-life to the entire nation. A horse also is prepared as a part of Yajyen (if done by the king) and is set to roam free. It showcases the power of the king. To challenge rule of a king one has to hold the horse. He has to protect the Ashwa, the horse.

In the Ashwamedh Yaj special Ved mantras are chanted in the Yaj and aahuti are offered. In the Ved mantras the prayer is done from the core of heart, that in the nation Brahmin, Kshatriye, Vaishya and Shudra are born to protect the nation well. Cow, bullock, horse and some strong character-full ladies, girls are born. Pious desires are fulfilled, timely rains occur, the public live long happy life. So the Ashwamedh Yaj is specially organised by the strong king for the benefit of the public. Mantras offered in Ashwamedh Yajyen will bring peace to the nation.

Ashwamedh Yaj which is the best Yaj, is organized by a strong king for the benefit of the Yaj/nation. However, you can organize Yaj for the peace in nation for three days, five days or seven days.

[COLOR=black]OM[/COLOR]

[Rashmi]

[ul]
[li][B][U]Casteism and Vedas[/U][/B]:This was ploy used by britishers and Christian missionaries to destroy the ancestral heritage of India. The varnna (caste system) to be considered by birth has been made by us post mahabharat war but originally the varnna (Brahmin, kshatriya, Vaishya, Shudra) based on their deeds and not by birth has been made by God, as is also mentioned in Yajurveda mantra 31/11. [/li]
Secondly, God does not permit to hate anybody on the earth and those who do, they commit sins. So as per the said Ved mantra, if a Brahmin’s boy does not gain Vedic knowledge and thus does not follow the path of Vedas but shows activity of a Kshatriya then according to Vedas, he is Kshatriya and not Brahmin and if Kshatriya gains the quality of Brahmin, he will be Brahmin not Kshatriya. So is the case of rest of the varnnas.Examples are Rishi Vishwamitra who was a king later on he acquired knowledge of Vedas and realized God and became brahmarishi, the nava naths etc.
[li][B][U]Gotra system[/U][/B]: People in ancient times has formulated this system to maintain lineage.The disiples and sons of rishis after receiving education went to other places and kept name of rishis as gotra to identify from which rishi they have got knowledge and so on. Like people of kashyap Gotra are from the lineage of Kashay rishi, similarly having vashistha as gotra means you are from lineage of vashistha rishi. People from same gotra do not marry as they are considered brother and sister and as per Vedas brother and sister should not marry.[/li][li][B][U]Temple[/U][/B][B][U] and idol worship[/U][/B]: As per Vedas god is formless.He is to be worshipped by yajen andrealised by astanga yoga practice as per samaveda. As matter of fact, idol worship started when Buddhism and Jainism came into existence. The God’s worship is in Vedas which emanate direct from God, wherein idol worship is not mentioned.[/li]So, on the basis of the qualities of the God, as mentioned in Vedas, God is known and when an aspirant follows/obeys the path of Vedas i.e., worship, Ashtang yoga practice, listening of Vedas, Yajyen etc., under guidance of an acharya, then he attains Samadhi i.e., realizes God too. So, as per Vedas, no need of idol worship.

If someone believes that God is everywhere then why does he avoid wine, smoking, theft, etc., etc. inside the temple and does outside? Actually realization is subject of deep study of Vedas and to observe thereon. Sagunn means with eternal qualities mentioned in Ved mantras because the meaning of Sa+Gunn means ‘with qualities’. So God has unlimited qualities like formless, omnipresent, etc., etc. and nirakar means shapeless. One can not break the rules and regulations of God mentioned in Vedas. Vedas are self-proof and cannot be denied. As per my Guru Ji. How present day all siddha yogis are worshipped . Famous pilgrimage places are associated with these great yogis where they have Done hard tapasya, penance, astanga yoga practice and realized God. That?s the reason when you go to these ancient temples and ask a wish with sincerity and devotion it gets fulfilled by there power of God realization a.Ex sabrimala with Lord Ayappa, shiva ji, rama, Krishna etc, 12 Jyotirlingas, shrines of vaishnao Devi, etc.Gods and Goddess are siddha realised beings may have celestial form earlier i have told in my post where swami Nityananda has said.[/ul]Similarly the belief of Hindus that God is present in every being, worshipping trees etc Brahma is every where is as per vedas. Further food is offered to God first as food itself is considered brahmam, further GOD should be remembered first as per vedas. Hindus First offer every thing to God as he is the reason for us and ever present, beyond destruction unlike us. Further many siddha yogis or realised souls have taken birth time and again and told us the importance of everything, so all those also got added and then this tradition has emerged over a pretty long time as i have told you earlier.

So this ends my understanding of indian tradition after studting vedas.

Om

[Hubert]

It is always delightful to read your posts, Rashmi.

I also believe God is in everything … and this is why I am confused by the meaning of transsubstantiation in Eucharist. I believe any bread, any food we eat is the body of Christ. (As God is in everything, or should I just say God is everything). If you believe this, the theory of transsubstantiation is unnecessary.
But I still accept the cerebration of the ritual as a from of worship, as a special moment what evokes the feeling of mystery in the hearts of believers.

[PatR]

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[li][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][B][U]Casteism and Vedas[/U][/B]:This was ploy used by britishers and Christian missionaries to destroy the ancestral heritage of India. The varnna (caste system) to be considered by birth has been made by us post mahabharat war but originally the varnna (Brahmin, kshatriya, Vaishya, Shudra) based on their deeds and not by birth has been made by God, as is also mentioned in Yajurveda mantra 31/11.
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Secondly, God does not permit to hate anybody on the earth and those who do, they commit sins. So as per the said Ved mantra, if a Brahmin’s boy does not gain Vedic knowledge and thus does not follow the path of Vedas but shows activity of a Kshatriya then according to Vedas, he is Kshatriya and not Brahmin and if Kshatriya gains the quality of Brahmin, he will be Brahmin not Kshatriya. So is the case of rest of the varnnas.Examples are Rishi Vishwamitra who was a king later on he acquired knowledge of Vedas and realized God and became brahmarishi, the nava naths etc[/QUOTE]

The basic purpose of Varna Vyavastha was to give freedom to an individual to choose his / her way of life. As a matter of fact it is because of this very Varna Vyavastha someone who was born in Kshatriya family (Siddhartha) went on to become a Brahmin (Gautama Buddha). The present day caste system is just a mere office environment that can exist anywhere in the world, where the peons & janitors are shudras, the accountants, clerks etc. are the vaishyas, the security guards are the kshatriyas and the CEOs & Directors are the Brahmins, & we can?t blame the constitution (or the brits) for the existence of this hierarchy or if a janitor or a clerk is discriminated by a high-salaried executive. A shudra in India is discriminated for the same reason a poor is discriminated by a rich anywhere else. We can?t blame the constitution or the Vedas for someone?s Ku-Karma.

[Rashmi]

Dear friends,
namaste,

we all are the creation of one creator, people with intellect , mind and devoid of self realisation has divided us on the name of religion.All our roots are connected with Tibbet, the history of mankind is not 5000 years old.

Post mahabharat war due destruction of vedic culture the world is devoid of unity though we are getting scientific, technological progress wealth etc. But mankind is still suffering in Iraq, in western countries in africa and every where religious hatred based on conversion and number game is on rise.
we are one and we have to realise the one who has created us based on hard practice of astanga yoga which tears illusion and makes you aware of inner self, god prakriti and lower species as per vedas.

The varnashram as per vedas tells that every individual as per destiny whatever he has achieved in present life should discharge his duties as kings, teachers, servents, doctors dutifully and sincerely remembring God, learning vedas and try to acheive God by vedas and yoga. Now i see no body discharges there duties dutyfully, the corruption, illusion is there due to absence of real spirituality .Dear friends in short i will tell what vedas are and we should try to be united
Vedas are the knowledge which emanates direct from God. It is also called Shruti because the knowledge was not given in the shape of books or by preach but the knowledge is originated by the power of God in the heart of four rishis. The knowledge of Vedas thus comes from one generation to another by means of listening. About 5,300 years ago Vyas Muni first time wrote the said knowledge of Vedas on Bhoj patra and thereafter it was printed in the shape of four Vedas i.e., Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samveda and Atharvaveda. So the collection of the Ved mantras written and thereafter printed in the shape of books are actually not Vedas but are called Samhita. After studying the Vedas carefully and doing ashtang yoga practice, some rishis wrote the books explaining the Ved mantras. Such books are called— “SHAKHA” (section) but Shakha is not Ved. In shakha, the preach of rishi or history of any king, public, man or woman etc., has been written whereas in Vedas, there is no history or story. Shakhas are famous by the name of rishis who wrote the Shakha whereas Vedas emanates direct from Almighty God and thus Vedas are famous in the name of God and not rishis. Aiteryo Brahmin (concerned with Rigveda) or Teiteryo Brahmin granth etc., (concerned with Yajurveda) have been written by rishis keeping the base of concerned Vedas but Vedas have not been written keeping any base of any mantra, etc.

As explained above that Vedas are not books and the knowledge of the Vedas up-till Mahabharata period was obtained by aspirants by listening only. Actually this is the fundamental of Vedas from a learned acharya. However, nowadays knowledge of Vedas has been printed with explanations etc., in the shape of book which is called samhita. Though it is difficult to understand the Vedas by self study yet one can try for the same and if he feels that he is gaining the knowledge then it is okay.

In Vedas, there are two types of preach — Vyavahrik i.e., practical 2.beneficial— pertaining to spiritual object and immortal. Practical means after gaining the knowledge about pious deeds, science and worship, the same must be observed in conduct. I mean to say that there must not be mere study or memorization of Ved mantra which will not serve the purpose.

Yes, Vedas do not accept avtarwad. So, Shri Krishna as mentioned in Mahabharata by Vyas Muni jee was a great dignitary and complete Yogi wherein Almighty God manifested Himself as is manifested in the body (heart) of a yogi. So, Shri Krishna was equivalent to God but not God who creates, nurses and destroys the universe.

[COLOR=darkred]Today to find real Guru is also difficult who is realised and knows vedas.But God directs aspiring soul. I am writing to kill our illusion and people who do not belong to my country should get real knowledge and should not get cheated. This is the darkest Yug as sages have described on the name of vedas, God and Guru you may get cheated too. As present age is age of marketing, illusion and materialism, so pray to God and everything falls in place, learn vedas and do yoga, God will guide you.[/COLOR]

God in vedas have offered divine protection to souls following divine path of vedas and yogas. he will surely guide us the means to achieve the highest goal of self realisation and God realisation.

You can download matters and vedic mantra chanting from this site:

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[COLOR=blue]read authentic vedic test on vedas and interpretation by swami dayanand saraswati at Aryasamajjamnagar.org-- Welcomes you all - <----< Veda, rigved, yajurved, samved, athrvaved,arya samaj,organization,arya samaj organisation organization jamnagar, Vedic Marriage Ceremony , arya pratinidhi sabha, dayanand saraswati,vaidic prachar,prop

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May the world become peaceful, loving and we all get united like earlier days and achieve the highest ideals of human birth as per vedas.

Thanks Hubert and pat

OM

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[Rashmi]

Dear friends,

The nectar and company of siddha yogis transforms the soul.One such towering highly emancipated siddha yogi was swami sammarth of akkalkot, India. People greatly believe gajanan maharaj of shegaon and sai baba of shirdi were there disciples.Lets learn about this Great siddha yogi and understand divinity , yoga and veda through him.A short biography for you all is here to spiritually uplift you:-

[B]Whenever Dharma has been treanted in bharatvarsha, god has come in the form of an Avtaar, every time to save each and every devotee and protect them. It is for this purpose that Sri SwamiSamarthMaharaj of Akkalkot manifested Himself. He is the most famous Datta Avataar in the Sri Datta Sampradaya, [/B]
[B] Who can adequately describe the glorious appearance of Sri Swami Samarth ? All human faculties fail in this attempt, at best one may give a superficial account. our mortal eyes can seldom hope to even see his glory - swami appears like a glorious sun.[/B]
[B] Sri Swami Samarth’s Appearance :- Sri Swami Samarth is the extension of the fifteenth century incarnation of Lord Dattatraya, namely Sri Narasimha Saraswati. It is mentioned in the holy book “Gurucharitra” that Sri Narasimha Saraswati entered mahasamadhi in Kardalivana (near Shri Shailya) in 1458.[/B]
[B] After remaining in mahasamadhi for over 300 years there was a complete transformation in the personality of Sri Narasimha Saraswati. That divinely transformed personality is Sri Swami Samarth. He emerged from an encircling anti-hill because a woodcutter accidentally cut through a tree and hit Sri Swami Samarth. This awakened Him from the prolonged samadhi.[/B]
[B]Sri Swami Samarth looked like a Purana Purush - A Rishi from ancient times. there was always a “Tilak” on His forehead and his Body would be smeared with sandal paste. he used to wear only a Kaupin (cod piece),
He had a fine set of teeth and He wore “Tulsi Mala” (necklace) and ear rings inset with gems.

Sri Swami Samarth was an Avadhoot - A maha Yogi possessing great spiritual powers. He was always muttering mystic ‘Mantras’ or something few could understand. He was an Jnana - Murthi exemplar of wisdom and knowledge. He expressed oneness and kinship with all creations. His merge glance could bless His presence sanctify and His silence a sermon. His touch could trigger spiritual change and transformation would begin. [/B]
[B] After emerging of Sri Swami Samarth from the anti-hill, He traveled all over the country. Little is known about His movements, as there was none with Him to record these events, (His ‘active’ manifestation was for 400 years).

Maharaj had stayed in Mangalwedha (a town near Pandharpur in Sholapur district). He decided to leave for Mahol via Pandharpur. After staying in Mahol for 5 years, Maharaj went to Sholapur and stayed in a corner of Datta mandir (temple). it is said that when Maharaj first came to the Datta Mandir, it was the time for the Maha prasad and the seats were laid. Maharaj went straight in and occupies a front seat.[/B]
[B] The person in charge asked Swamiji to get up and sit at the back. Swami Samarth left the temple immediately and went to the adjoining “Muth” where He sat playing like a child near a pillar, A lady was wonder-struck, as she saw Lord Dattatraya in all His divine splendor, where Swamiji was sitting. She protested at His feet. (The pillar where swami appeared as Lord Dattatraya is still venerated). She went and told the priest in the Datta Mandir about her vision. The people in charge of the Datta Mandir subsequently begged to be forgiven.

The splendor of Sri Swami Samarth and his glorious mission became more fully manifest, after His arrival in Akkalkot. Sri Swami stay there, for 22 years from 1856 onwards till his Mahasamadhi, Teaching the common man spiritual precepts, Taking them to  "POORNATVA" i.e. God.  Akkalkot, formerly known as Prajna Puri (town of wisdom), The town gained special significance because of Sri Swami Samarth's stay.

 People of all religions - Muslims, Parsees, Christians and Jews used to come for his darshan. He used to visit mosques and dargas, just as he visits temples and "Muths" (place of spiritual authority.) devotees often found him in various postures and poses; at time sitting under a tree, lying by the river bank, yet His appearance always commanded respect. Even those who saw Him for the first time, could recognize His towering spiritual   stature. While His face was full of compassion, love and kindness, occasionally He also looked like a fierce lion; the Narasimha Avatar of lord Vishnu.     [/B]

[B] On the 3rd April 1878, He completed His mission on earth and took Mahasamadhi. His spiritual magnetism has not waned even now, as is indicated by the constant flow of thousands of pilligrims to Akkalkot. Those who go there for a Darshan of the samadhi, still feel the subtle power of swamiji. They feel a definite response to their prayers; Some are cured of their suffering; other find their desire fulfilled. More than that they fill guided onto the right spiritual path. Even though Sri Swami Samarth is no longer in bodily manifestation, He still guides His true devotees and manifest Himself even now !!!.[/B]

We are too small to comment and understand about jesus, Lord Rama, Lord Krishna, Swami Nityananda, Swami Ramkrishna paramhansa, Lord chaitaneya, Lord Swami narayan, Rammana Maharishi, sai baba, swami sammartha and many more souls by our limited intellect and worldly knowledge.It is beyond our comprehension to understand the Holy trinity Brahma, Vishnau and Mahesh as spoken by Jesus and hindu shastras.

Souls desirious of reading Guru charita, which describes mahima of guru can be read at following website:
Datta Sai GuruCharitra
Shri Gajanan Maharaj Sansthan, Shegaon Welcomes you
Reading of Gurucharita is called parayan in marathai.You can read the experience of devotee at gajanan site and affirm your faith in Guru and God.
In this age God can be realised by Two ways:

1.Through a realised Guru who is brahma leen and has knowledge of vedas further has realised God.You have to search for your Guru, the way work for earning livelihood education etc.The path of veda and astanga yoga, guru bhatkti will lead you to God. As Guru is one among five alive Gods as told in Vedas.

2. Take the siddha yogis as your Guru.With your devotion please them and Get the enlightment.They will test your devotion time and again.The great Yogi Neem karoli baba has taken Lord hanuman as his sadguru and he has attained the spiritual heights and emancipation through him.So shraddha , saburi, faith, devotion and patience this can fetch you from mundane existence to spiritual heights.Meera, surdas, saint namdev, gyanabai has acheived Lord Krishna through bhakti, Tulsi has acheived lord Ram and so on …

Dear souls you decide what is your path what you want and follow it steadfastly.

OM

[Rashmi]

Dear Friends,

namaste,

Now a days there is lot of myth about indian scriptures. Some says bhagwat purana is the highest scriptures of hindus, some say hinduism has come from upnishads etc, some say tantra is a part of hinduism.The hierarchy of indian scriptures are as foolows:

1. [B][U]Vedas [/U][/B]: There are four vedas Rig, Yajur, Sama and Ayur veda. Vedas are not written by anybody not even by lord, rama, krishna, Brahma, shiva or great sages etc. This Knowledge was imparted by Almighty God to the sages in the state of samadhi at the time of self realisation. Traditinally it was imparted by word of mouth and proper chanting to disciples by mantradrishta rishis. Vedas were first compiled and written by Sage maharishi Veda vyas around 5023 years back in Bhoj or Tar patras, he was the son maharishi Parasar and satyavati ( Granmother of Arjun), when mahabharat happened.
   Vedas were the authority of all sages, seers highly emancipated souls like brahma, vishnu, siva, ganapati, rama, krishna etc.I have told you about this many times.

2. [B][U]Upnishad : [/U]The term Upanishad means sitting down near; this implies the students sitting down near their Guru to learn the big secret. In the splendid isolation of their forest abodes, the philosophers who composed the Upanishads contemplated upon the various mysteries of life and its creation ? whether common, or metaphysical. The answers were however not open to all, but only for select students. The reason for this was simple: not everyone can handle knowledge. These are the direct teachings of mantradrishta rishis to there disciples.[/B]
   [B]The composition of the Upanishads marks a significant and stride forward in the direction of knowing the mystery of earth’s creation and one comes tantalizingly close to the answers. Through episodes, commentaries, stories, traditions and dialogue, the Upanishads unfold the fascinating tale of creation, life, the essence of life and of that beyond to the seeker of truth. [/B]
   [B]There were earlier it seems 108 upnishad, now however only 18 are survived rest all were destroyed during invasions of islamic invaderes and christian missionaries.They comes after vedas in hierarchy. The 18 principal Upanishads are :[/B]
   [B]FONT=Arial [COLOR=blue][B][U]Brhad-aranyaka Upanishad[/U][/B] : The Brhad-aranyaka Upanishad is widely accepted to be the most important of all Upanishads. It has three khandas or parts. The madhu khanda contemplates on the relationship between the individual and the Universal self. The muni khanda or yajnavalkya is a debate which goes on to give the philosophical backing to the earlier teaching. The khila khanda tackles various rituals of worship and meditation. [/FONT][/B]
   [B]FONT=Arial [B][U][COLOR=blue]Chandogya Upanishad: [/U][/B][/COLOR]This Upanishad is a part of the Sama-Veda (see The Vedas). The name comes from the singer of the songs (samans) who is called Chandoga. The initial chapters of the Upanishad, discuss the ritual of sacrifice. The others debate the origin and profundity of the concept of Om, among other things. [/B]
   B [COLOR=blue][B][U]Aitareya Upanishad : [/U][/B][/COLOR]This one forms part of the Rig-Veda. The purpose is to make the reader understand the deeper meaning of sacrifice and to take him away from the outer trappings of the actual act. [/B]
   B [B][U][COLOR=blue]Taittriya Upanishad : [/U][/B][/COLOR]A part of the Yajur-Veda, this Upanishad is divided into three sections or vallis. The siksa valli deals with the phonetics of the chants, while the others, brahmananda valli and bhrgu valli deal with self-realization. [/B]
   B [COLOR=blue][U][B]Isa Upanishad :[/B][/U] [/COLOR]Also called the Isavasya Upanishad, this book deals with the union of God, the world, being and becoming. The stress is on the Absolute in relation with the world (paramesvara). The gist of the teachings is that a person’s worldly and otherworldly goals need not necessarily be opposed to each other. [/B]
   B [COLOR=blue][B][U]Kena Upanishad[/U][/B]: [/COLOR]The name of this Upanishad comes from the first word kena, or by whom. It has two sections of prose and two of poetry. The verses deal with the supreme spirit or the absolute principle (brahman) and the prose talks of ishvara (god). The moral of the story is that the knowledge of ishvara reveals the way to self-realization. [/B]
   B [B][U][COLOR=blue]Katha Upanishad:[/U][/B] [/COLOR]Also called the Kathakopanishad, this Upanishad uses a story (katha) involving a young Brahmin boy called Nachiketa to reveal the truths of this world and the other beyond the veil. [/B]
   B [B][U][COLOR=blue]Prashna Upanishad : [/U][/B][/COLOR]Prashna literally means question, and this book is part of the Athrava-Veda. It addresses questions pertaining to the ultimate cause, the power of Om, relation of the supreme to the constituents of the world. [/B]
   B [B][U][COLOR=blue]Mundaka Upanishad : [/U][/B][/COLOR]This book also belongs to the Atharva-Veda. The name is derived from ‘mund’ or to shave, meaning that anyone who understands the Upanishads is s(h)aved from ignorance. This book inscribes the importance of knowing the supreme brahmaana, only by which knowledge can one attain self-realization. [/B]
   B [B][U][COLOR=blue]Mandukya Upanishad : [/U][/B][/COLOR]The Mandukya is an exquisite treatise which expounds on the principle of Om and its metaphysical significance in various states of being, waking, dream and the dreamless sleep. The subtlest and most profound of the Upanishads, it is said that this alone will lead one to the path of enlightenment. [/B]
   B [B][U][COLOR=blue]Svetasvatara Upanishad[/U][/B][/COLOR][/B]
   [B]The name of this Upanishad is after its teacher. It comments on the unity of the souls and the world in one all-encompassing reality. The concept of there being one god is also talked about here. It is dedicated to Rudra, the storm god. [/B]
   B [B][U][COLOR=blue]Kausitaki Brahmana Upanishad: [/U][/B][/COLOR]The Upanishad has come down to us in bits here and pieces there. The core of the text is dedicated to illustrating the fact that the path to release is through knowledge. [/B]
   B [B][U][COLOR=blue]Maitri Upanishad : [/U][/B][/COLOR]This is a comparatively later Upanishad as it has references to the Trinity of Hindu Gods (Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma) which is a later development, and plus references to the world being illusory in character reflects Buddhist influence. [/B]
   B [B][U][COLOR=blue]Subala Upanishad : [/U][/B][/COLOR]Belonging to the Yajur-Veda, this Upanishad puts down a dialogue between the sage Subala and Brahma the creator of the Hindu Trinity of Gods. It discusses the universe and the absolute. [/B]
   B [B][U][COLOR=blue]Jabala Upanishad : [/U][/B][/COLOR]Belonging to the Athrava-Veda this Upanishad addresses some questions pertaining to renunciation. [/B]
   B [B][U][COLOR=blue]Paingala Upanishad : [/U][/B][/COLOR]The Paingala is again a dialog, this between Yajnavalkya, the sage mentioned the Brhad-aranyaka’s muni khanda and Paingala, a student of his. It discusses meditation and its effects. [/B]
   B [B][U][COLOR=blue]Kaivalya Upanishad : [/U][/B][/COLOR]This Upanishad delves into the state of kaivalya or being alone. [/B]
   B [B][U][COLOR=blue]Vajrasucika Upanishad :[/U][/B][/COLOR]Belonging to the Sama-Veda the Vajrasucika reflects on the nature of the supreme being. [/B]

[B]The core of the teachings of the Upanishads is summed up in three words: tat tvam as? you are that.[/B]

Part II follows

OM
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[Rashmi]

B Puranas :[/U][/B] The Puranas contain the essence of the Vedas. They were written to impress the teachings of the Vedas onto the masses and to generate devotion to God in them. They have five characteristics: history, cosmology (with symbolical illustrations of philosophical principles), secondary creation, genealogy of kings, and Manvantaras (the period of Manu’s rule consisting of 71 celestial yugas).
The Puranas were meant, not for the scholars, but for ordinary people who could not understand high philosophy and could not study the Vedas. There is an emphasis on the worship of Brahma (the creator), Vishnu (the preserver), Shiva (the destroyer), Surya (the Sun God), Ganesha (the elephant headed god known to be the remover of obstructions ), and Shakti (the goddess). All the Puranas belong to the class of Suhrit-Sammitas, or the Friendly Treatises, while the Vedas are called Prabhu-Sammitas or Commanding Treatises with great authority.
There are 18 Puranas : Brahma Purana[B], Padma Purana, Vishnu Purana, Vayu Purana or Siva Purana, Bhagavata Purana, Narada Purana, Markandeya Purana, Agni Purana, Bhavishya Purana, Brahma Vaivarta Purana, Linga Purana, Varaha Purana, Skanda Purana, Vamana Purana, Kurma Purana, Matsya Purana, Garuda Purana and Brahmanda Purana.[/B]
[B]Of these, six are Sattvic Puranas glorifying Vishnu; six are Rajasic, glorifying Brahma; six are Tamasic, glorifying Siva. Vyasa, the son of Rishi Parasara, is said to be the author of them all.However there is still debate about this that it is written by vyas, my Guru says no Vyas ji only compiled vedas and wrote mahabharat.[/B]
Then there are Ramayana and mahabharat which are called smriti or History. Similarly there is manu smriti, parashar smriti, yagyavallak smriti. etc. The originator of tantra vidya is great yogi Macchendranath. This tantra vidya is not a part of vedas.

However as clearly understood the origin of all this is Vedas.Rest all are written by somebody. After vedas comes upnishads, to understand vedas we should read sanskrit grammar by Rishi panini, nighantu and nirukta grant.Different realised yogis have written different Grant in the regional languages of India based on there experience of god.So this knowledge is very vast.

[COLOR=darkred][U]the calculation of time as per manusmriti is :[/U] Yajurveda chapter 31, Rigveda Mandal 10 sukta 129, Atharvaveda 8/11/3-6 & Saamveda 617 already say that the knowledge of four Vedas is direct from Almighty God at the time of creation. Knowledge can be given only when someone gives knowledge to others. That is why before more than 5000 years Rishi Patanjali told in Yog Shashtra Sutra 1/26 that almighty God is the Spiritual master of all human beings. In the Vedas there is no mention of any sects & caste system. We the mankind are the children of only one Almighty God, our father. Manu Smariti is also a holy book written by Manu after studying Vedas. Manu Smariti give the proof in its chapeter one that the present time of the Earth is 7th Manvanter uptil now 6 Manvanter have passed. Those are Swayambhar, Swarochish, Ottmi, Tamas, Ryivat & Chakshash, now its 7th Manvanter. 71 Chaturyugi=1 Manvanter. There are four Yug: Satyug, Treta, Dwapur & Kaliyug.[/COLOR]
Satyug = 17 lakhs 28 thousand years
Treta = 12 lakhs 96 thousand years
Dwapar = 8 lakhs 64 thousand years
Kaliyug = 4 lakhs 32 thousand years

The total of four yugas comes to 43 lakhs & 20 thousand years which is equal to one Chaturyugi. 71 Chaturyugi i.e., 30 crore 67 lakhs & 20 thousand years equal to one Manvanter & 6 Manvanter have yet passed whose calculation comes to one Arab 84 crore 30 lakhs & 20 thousand years. This is 7th Manvanter & 28 Chaturyugi & the present Kaliyug has passed its time of 5002 years. So uptil now the age of the earth & Vedas is one Arab 96 crore 8 lakhs 53 thousands & 2 years. Bhagwat Geeta Shaloka 8/17 also says about this fact. ManuSmariti Shaloka 1/64 to 1/80 also says at that time there were no any sects or caste system. And there was no any word Hindu at that time.So hinduism is man made

[COLOR=darkred][B]HOW MANU Became King:[/B] [/COLOR]This was told by my Guru ji to one of questioners. I am producing it for your intospection as it is:
In the beginning of the earth, God gives knowledge of four Vedas to the four Rishis. Then the knowledge is attained by a person from the four Rishis and the person is called Brahma. The knowledge of Vedas traditionally was then obtained by Manu on this earth.

The said fact has already been mentioned by Yogeshwar Sri Krishna in his Srimad Bhagwad Geeta chapter 4, shloka 1. Thus Manu Bhagwan became the learned of four Vedas. In his time, there was no king of the earth so naturally there did not exist any law, order etc.

As a result, there occurred number of criminal cases including theft etc. Effected people came to Manu and asked for the solution to stop such violations etc. Manu was learned of Vedas, he knew everything and advised the public to choose a king to rule on the public and king only could give peace by enforcing law and order. In reply the public told that they chose Manu as their King. Thus Manu became the first monarch of this earth.

The names of planet Earth are eternal.Till mahabharat this earth was Known by its 21 names : GAUHU, GMA, JMA, KSHMA, KSHA, BHUHU, BHOOMMIHI, PRITHVI, MAHEE, etc.

Thats all

OM

[Rashmi]

Dear friends,

namaste,

Most of you have asked what a realised soul does after God realisation.A soul once realised God after leaving physical body still meditates in that formless omniscient God A liberated soul is away from law of Karma and God as per vedas.I am Giving an account of siddha yogi swami nityananda , account of ressurrection after samadhi in his own words. Yoga is the only way to realise that formless omniscient God in whom meditates all yogis:

Continuing his northward trek, Swamiji reached Mangalore. He was still in his “Avadhoota” phase of life. Many of his devotees accepted him as an incarnation of God. Gurudev must have been about thirty years of age. One afternoon Gurudev went to a devotee’s house. That evening rumour went round that Gurudev had gone into permanent “SAMADHI”. Devotees and others gathered in the house. They saw him in “Padmasana” pose. They were keen to know whether he was alive or dead. They did the common test with cotton-wool and mirror. Some of them fetched some doctors. The doctors could not detect any sign of life in him. Finally it was decided that Gurudev has expired. The house-owner described the sequence of events. Swamiji had come, and after a while, he assumed the “Veerapadmasana” pose and then the devotee had noticed him experiencing some contortions. Then she saw a divine kind of light on the wall behind him. After that, his body went cold and rigid. The devotees who had gathered were in great grief and utter sorrow. Many of them returned to their homes, grief writ large on their faces. Some of them wanted arrangements to be made for the last rites. But the house owner and a few others wanted to wait and observe developments for the next three days. They said they were dealing with Sadguru Nityananda! Their opinion prevailed. And it came to pass that they were right. In the evening of the third day, they noticed some movements on his body. After some minutes, he became fully conscious. When he opened his eyes, his look and facial appearance were peculiar. He appeared as though he did not recognise anyone of them. The house owner devotee and others seeing these developments were beyond themselves with irrepressible joy.
After a couple of hours of rest, listening to the repeated enquiries made by his disciples, Gurudev said as follows: “This one went for a very good purpose. This one could meet many great souls. They insisted that this one should go back immedaitely”. He uttered the names of Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Swami Vivekananda and also Swami Rama Thirtha with particular emphasis. After that, Gurudev did not mention a word about that incident. Once Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had stated that great Rishis after their physical death in the world, had their being in the sphere of “SIDDHA LOKA”. He had said that both he and Vivekandanda had appeared in the world from that sphere.
Gurudev would tell his devotees “You are all taken care with the eyes of a tortoise”. Thereby, he allied to the belief that a tortoise, from a distance would concentrate on its eggs and make them hatch. Only great Sadgurus have the ability to concentrate on their devotees at far-off places and make them capable of self-realisation. At times, Gurudev, would tell some of his keen devotees. The study of books does not accomplish much. The wisdom of the brain is very important. More than that is the nectar of wisdom gained through Sadhana-spiritual meditation". To some special devotees, he once said that Swami Vivekananda had said and taught all that was worth saying and teaching. He did not leave anything for others to preach". Once to a party of sincere devotees he said, "Study the Gita, learn renunciation, concentration and maintain a clean, pure “bhavana” and to the introvert Sadhakas, Gurudev would always advise, “practise intense meditation”.

[Rashmi]

Dear friends,

Further many times i have told you about sai baba of shirdi, now we should listen who he was and about his personality:
It is on account of Sai Baba that Shirdi grew into importance. Let us see what sort of a personage Sai Baba was. He conquered this Samsar (worldly existence), which is very difficult and hard to cross. Peace or mental calm was His ornament, and He was the repository of wisdom. He was the home of Vaishnava devotees, most liberal (like Karna) amongst liberals, the quint-essence of all essences. He had no love for perishable things, and was always engrossed in self-realization, which was His sole concern. He felt no pleasure in the things of this world or of the world beyond. His Antarang (heart) was as clear as a mirror, and His speech always rained nectar. The rich or poor people were the same to Him. He did not know or care for honour or dishonour. He was the Lord of all beings. He spoke freely and mixed with all people, saw the actings and dances of Nautchgirls and heard Gajjal songs. Still, He swerved not an inch from Samadhi (mental equilibrium). The name of Allah was always on His lips. While the world awoke, He slept; and while the world slept, He was vigilant. His abdomen (Inside) was as calm as the deep sea. His Ashram could not be determined, nor His actions could be definitely determined, and though He sat (lived) in one place, He knew all the transactions of the world. His Darbar was imposing. He told daily hundreds of stories; still He swerved not an inch from His vow of silence. He always leaned against the wall in the Masjid or walked morning, noon and evening towards Lendi (Nala) and Chavadi; still He at all times abided in the Self. Though a Siddha, He acted like a Sadhaka. He was meek, humble and egoless, and pleased all. Such was Sai Baba, and as Sai Baba?s Feet treaded the soil of Shirdi, it attained extraordinary importance. As jnaneshwar elevated Alandi, Ekanath did to Paithan, so Sai Baba raised Shirdi. Blessed are the grass-leaves and stones of Shirdi, for they could easily kiss the Holy Feet of Sai Baba, and take their dust on their head. Shirdi became to us, devotees, another Pandharpur, Jagannath, Dwarka, Banaras (Kashi) and Rameshwar, Badrikedar, Nasik, Tryambakeshwar, Ujjain, and Maha Kaleshwar or Mahabaleshwar Gokarn. Contact of Sai Baba in Shirdi was like our Veda and Tantra; it quieted our Samsara (world consciousness) and rendered self-realization easy. The darshana of shri Sai was our Yoga-Sadhana, and talk with Him removed our sins. Shampooing His Legs was our bath in Triveni Prayag, and drinking the holy water of His Feet destroyed our desires. To us, His commands were Vedas, and accepting (eating) His Udi (sacred ashes) and Prasad was all purifying. He was our Shri Krishna and Shri Rama who gave us solace and He was our Para Brahma (Absolute Reality). He was Himself beyond the Pair of dwandwas (opposite), never dejected nor elated. He was always engrossed in His Self as ?Existence, Knowledge and Bliss.? Shirdi was His centre; but His field of action extended far wide, to Punjab, Calcutta, North India, Gujarat, Dacca (Now in Bangladesh) and Konkan. Thus the fame of Sai Baba spread, far, and wide, and people from all parts came to take His darshana and be blessed. By mere darshan, minds of people, whether, pure or impure, would become at once quiet. They got here the same sort of unparalleled joy that devotees get at Pandharpur by seeing Vithal Rakhumai. This is not an exaggeration. Consider what a devotee says in this respect.
Nobody knew the parents, birth or birthplace of Sai Baba. Many inquiries were made, many questions were put to Baba and others regarding these items, but no satisfactory answer or information has yet been obtained. Practically we know nothing about these matters. Namdev and Kabir were not born like ordinary mortals. They were found as infants in mother-of-pearls, Namdev being found on the bank Bhimrathi River by Gonayee, and Kabir on the bank Bhagirathi River by Tamal. Similar was the case with Sai Baba. He first manifested Himself as a young lad of sixteen under a Neem tree in Shirdi, for the sake of Bhaktas. Even then He seemed to be full with the knowledge of Brahman. He had no desire for worldly objects even in dream. He kicked out Maya; and Mukti (deliverance) was serving at His feet. One old woman of Shirdi, the mother of Nana Chopdar, described Him thus. This young lad, fair, smart and very handsome, was first seen under the Neem tree, seated in an Asan. The people of the village were wonder-struck to see such a young lad practising hard penance, not minding heat and cold. By day he associated with none, by night he was afraid of nobody. People were wondering and asking, whence this young chap had turned up. His form and features were so beautiful that a mere look endeared Him to all. He went to nobody?s door, always sat near the Neem tree. Outwardly he looked very young; but by His action he was really a Great Soul. He was the embodiment of dispassion and was an enigma to all. One day it so happened, that God Khandoba possessed the body of some devotee and people began to ask Him, “Deva (God), you please enquire what blessed father?s son is this lad and whence did He come”. God Khandoba asked them to bring a pickaxe and dig in a particular place. When it was dug, bricks were found underneath a flat stone. When the stone was removed, a corridor led to a cellar where cow-mouth-shaped structures, wooden boards, necklaces were seen. Khandoba said - “This lad practiced penance here for 12 years.” Then the people began to question the lad about this. He put them off the scent by telling them that it was His Guru?s place, His holy Watan and requested them to guard it well. The people then closed the corridor as before. As Ashwattha and Audumbar trees are held sacred, Baba regarded this Neem tree equally sacred and loved it most. Mhalasapati and other Shirdi devotees regard this site as the resting place (Samadhi-Sthana) of Baba?s Guru and prostrate before it.

Dear friend a siddha yogi has to just manifest unlike we ordinary people. Read this and understand the world of yogis. Interpret lord jesus on the same lines
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[Rashmi]

Dear Friends,

Namaste,

We have quite frequently discussed Bhakti yoga. What is this bhakti.This bhakti is also described in Samveda as this veda describes of means of upasana to realise God. Without Bhakti, your practice of Yoga and knowledge of vedas will not frutify.Lets hear a beautiful purport on Bhakti by great Siddha Purusha Sai Baba of shirdi. It will help you a lot in understanding bhakti. I will quote two incidents and make you understand what is the bhhakti by which God and Siddha yogis are pleased.

[COLOR=red]“Once a Soudagar (merchant) came here. Before him a mare passed her stool (nine balls of stool). The merchant, intent on his quest, spread the end of his dhotar and gathered all the nine balls in it, and thus he got concentration (peace) of mind”. [/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]Mr. Patankar could not make out the meaning of this story; so he asked Ganesh Damodar, alias Dada Kelkar, “What does Baba mean by this?” He replied - “I too do not know all that Baba says and means, but at His inspiration I say, what I come to know. The mare is God’s grace and the nine balls excreted are the nine forms or types of Bhakti, viz., (1) Shravana (Hearing); (2) Kirtana (Praying); (3) Smarana (Remembering); (4) Padasevana (resorting to the feet); (5) Archana (Worship); (6) Namaskara (Bowing); (7) Dasya (Service); (8) Sakhyatva (Friendship); (9) Atmanivedana (surrender of the self). These are the nine types of Bhakti. If any of these is faithfully followed, Lord Hari will be pleased, and manifest Himself in the home of the devotee. All the sadhanas, viz. Japa (vocal worship), Tapa (penance), Yoga practice and studying the scriptures and expounding them are quite useless unless they are accompanied by Bhakti, i.e., devotion. Knowledge of the Vedas, or fame as a great Jnani, and mere formal Bhajan (worship) are of no avail. What is wanted is Loving Devotion. Consider yourself as the merchant or seeker after the truth and be anxious and eager like him to collect or cultivate the nine types of devotion. Then you will attain stability and peace of mind”. [/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]Next day, when Patankar went to Baba for saluation, he was asked whether he collected the ‘nine balls of stool’. Then he said that he, being a poor fellow, should first be graced by Baba, and then they will be easily collected. Then Baba blessed and comforted him, saying that he would attain peace and welfare. After hearing this, Patankar became overjoyed and happy. [/COLOR]

the other incident aptly describes another example of Bhakti. Though this thread is long but understand the wisdom hidden in it. The sai charita is full of wisdom which guides human life.Hemadpant has taken permission of writing sai charitra and baba has blessed him that he will Guide him in writing his leelas.
You can read sai charitras english translation at following websites:

http://www.shirdi.org/saisatcharita/index.html

http://www.saibaba.org/saisatc.html

Many mundane questions of bhakti, guru, handling temptation of life you will easily understand by reading this. Your ignorance will be killed if you read with faith and devotion. You will progress spiritually with your practice of yoga

OM

[Rashmi]

Another beautiful incident describing Bhakti is here for your benefit. The beautiful relation between Bhakta and siddha purush/ God is depicted by this incident of sai charita:-

[COLOR=red][COLOR=darkred]L[/COLOR][COLOR=darkred]et us close this Chapter with a description of the Khapardes. Once Dadasaheb Khaparde came with his family and lived in Shirdi for some months. (The diary of his stay has been published in English in the Shri Sai Leela Magazine first Volume.) Dadasaheb was not an ordinary man. He was the richest and the most famous advocate of Amraoti (Berar) and was a member of the Council of State, Delhi. He was very intelligent and a very good speaker. Still he dared not open his mouth before Baba. Most devotees spoke and argued with Baba off and on, but only three, viz. Khaparde, Noolkar and Booty kept always silent. They were meek, modest, humble and goodnatured. Dadasaheb, who was able to expound Panchadashi (A well-known Sanskrit treatise on the Adwaita Philosophy by the famous Vidyaranya) to others, said nothing or uttered no word when he came to the Masjid before Baba. Really a man, however learned he may be even in Vedas, fades away before one, who was realised Brahman and become one with it. Learning cannot shine before Self-reaisation. Dadasaheb stayed for four months, but Mrs. Khaparde stayed for seven. Both were highly pleased with their Shirdi stay. Mrs. Khaparde was faithful and devout, and loved Baba deeply. Every noon she brought naivedya herself to the Masjid, and after it was accepted by Baba, she used to return and take her meals. Seeing her steady and firm devotion, Baba wanted to exhibit it to others. One noon she brought a dish containing Sanza (wheat-pudding), purees, rice, soup, and kheer (sweet rice) and other sundry articles to the Masjid. Baba, who usually waited for hours, got up at once, went up to His dining seat and removing the outer covering from the dish began to partake of the things zealously. Shama then asked Him - “Why this partiality? You throw away dishes of others and do not care to look at them, but this You draw to You earnestly and do justice to it. Why is the dish of this woman so sweet? This is a problem to us.” Baba then explained - “This food is really extra-ordinary. In former birth this lady was a merchant’s fat cow yielding much milk. Then she disappeared and took birth in a gardener’s family, then in a Kshatriya family, and married a merchant. Then she was born in a Brahmin family. I saw her after a very long time, let Me take some sweet morsels of love from her dish.” Saying this, Baba did full justice to her dish, washed his mouth and hands, gave out some belches as a mark of satisfaction, and resumed His seat. Then she make a bow and began to shampoo Baba’s legs and Baba began to talk with her and knead her arms which were shampooing His Legs. On seeing this reciprocal service Shama began to joke and said - "It is going on well, it is a wonderful sight to see God and His Bhakta serving each other. "After being pleased with her sincere service, Baba asked her in low and fascinating tone to chant ‘Rajarama, Rajarama’ then and always, and said - “If you do this, your life’s object will be gained, your mind will attain peace and you will be immensely benefited.” To persons unfamiliar with spiritual matters, this might appear as affair, but really it was not so. It was a case of, what in technically called, ‘Shakti-pat’, i.e. transference of power from the Guru to the disciple. How forcible and effective were Baba’s words! In an instant, they pierced her heart and found lodgement there. [/COLOR][/COLOR]

[COLOR=blue]This case illustrates the nature of the relations that should subsist between the Guru and the disciple. Both should love and serve each other as One. There is no distinction nor any difference between them. Both are One, and one cannot live without the other. The disciple placing his head on the Guru’s feet is a gross or outward vision; really and internally they are both one and the same. Those who see any difference between them are yet unripe and not perfect. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Read the nectar of siddha yogis, there you find how a men of God should behave. A men of God should never spit venom on others who doesnot agree with his perception, there life should be examplery like sai baba of shirdi, Swami Nityananda, gajanan maharaj, Swami sammarth, Ramman Maharishi, Vivekananda, Ramkrishna paramhansa, Swaminaraya, Chaitaneya mahapprabhu, Bhairav nath, Guru Govind Singh, saint Gyaneshwar, Gautam Buddha … etc… list is long. These great souls emancipated everybody equally by there god realisation. Religious difference of Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Parsi only bothers those who are not realised or devoid of self realisation. The self realisation which a yogi Gets after hard practice of astanga yoga wherein he controls five senses, perceptions, indriyan,mind is different unlike ordinary preachers of religion. In india you will be surprised to know never a Great soul has preached to kill another soul on the name of God or his name. The foremost desciple of lahiri mahashay was a muslim. Where as daily in india thousand people of other religion spit venom against rama, krishna and other yogis esp christian missionaries, the converted people of islam,chrisatanity . Without understanding God and spirituality we can not achieve harmony in the world today.Some time i will share with you all unpleasant facts of india which are bitter to swallow, but it is bare truth which is causing turmoil in this great land of Yogis. Nowhere in world you will find this long tradition of Gurushisya parampara, veda and yoga, though once upon a time this knowledge prevailed on the entire earth.[/COLOR]

OM

[Rashmi]

Dear Friends,
Namaste,

I have less time to spent with you all. In this short time i am sharing with you certain incidents from Swami Nityananda of Ganeshpuri’s Biography which i have downloaded almost four years back:
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[li]On one occasion, the Sub-Inspector of Police took him to the Police Station for interrogation and search. Interrogation had no effect on Swamiji. With a sweet smile on his face, he told the Sub-Inspector, “This one take all the money from inside the loin-cloth. You may also untie the loin cloth and look there”! This, the Sub-Insepctor considered to be very insulting and so Swamiji was ordered to be put inside the police lock-up. That was done, but lo! the next moment they saw Swamiji outside the lock-up. Once more he was locked up inside, but once again, he was a free man the very next minute! The Sub-Inspector and his men were exasperated. What could they do with such a man? Their only way was to report the matter to the District Collector. At that time, the collector of the District was Mr. E.M.M. Gawne, I.C.S. When he heard that a holy man had trespassed into government land and was making road in the area and also constructing caves, accompanied by high Police and Revenue Officers, he came to Kanhangad. He rode on horseback from the railway station, and was accompanied by his Alsation. When the Collector’s party arrived, Gurudev was in one of the cages. Mr. Gawne’s huge Alsatian must have got a scent of Gurudev because the dog went into the cave. He sat most obediently near Gurudev and that was the sight that welcomed the Collector when he also went into the cave. The scene was most revealing to the British Officer and he was non-plussed for a while. Even earlier, it was some kind of inner voice that had prompted him to take off his shoes and keep them at the entrance of the cave. He did not doubt any more that the man was, indeed, an extraordinary person. Gurudev welcomed the Collector with a smile and the two of them talked for more than fifteen minutes. The Collector asked Gurudev why and for whom he was doing all his. Gurudev Nityananda replied in English, “Not for this one, if you want you may have it”. Collector came out of the cave and told all his subordinate Officers that they were not to interfere in any way with the holy Swamiji and Gurudev could do what he pleased. When the Collector and party left the caves and got back to the Travellers’ Bunglow, they saw a new sign-board erected on which was painted “Gawne Road”. It had not been there minutes before, when the Collector was riding down to the rock. That was yet another miracle perpetrated by Gurudev in appreciation of the Collector’s good-will! Soon after this episode, Mr. Gawne became the Chief Secretary to the Government of Madras. Even so, he did not forget to instruct the District Authorities of Mangalore that Swami Nityananda should be allowed to live and work in peace and also that, whenever required, all help was to be extended to him.[/ul]Caves that Gurudev made are to be seen even now, as silent memorials to him in Sree Nityanana Ashram in Kanhangad. Gurudev once predicted that some day, great saints will live in those caves and inspire the birth of another Golden Era of Sanatana Dharma. The caves were made virtually by hand. The work on these caves was started by Swami Nityananda & completed by Swami Janananda. Within two to three years, about 40 caves were dug. They were properly cemented and plastered inside and out. Any visitor to those caves would be inclined to marvel and wonder whether those beautifully cut caves in red rock were really the handiwork of two Sanyasi’s, one of whom was also an Avadhoota & the other a staunch devotee of the Avadhoota & a spiritually enlightened person himself. Swami Nityananda did not consult an Engineer for a plan for those caves. Neither did Gurudev ask nor accept any kind of monetary help from anyone. They are a standing marvel to Gurudev’s divine inspiration and glory. Gurudev’s philosophy was:[/li]“It is all automatic. Never keep on thinking of doing something or the other. Whatever this one has in the mind, this one puts into action and accomplish. No one can, in any way obstruct this one from an endeavour this one undertakes”.
Gurudev used to call his caves “Sunrise-Sunset Caves”. There is day light in them all through the day. There are six entrances into the caves, three of them facing the east and three facing the west. Most of the caves were large enough for one to sit and meditate. There was also a well dug inside the caves. This was closed later, after the Master issued instructions from Ganeshpuri. Another well dug outside the rock remains the main source of water for the Ashram today. Now, on the top of the caves, a very beautiful temple that has the exterior aspects of the famous temple of Somanath has been built. In the temple is the most remarkable statue of Sadguru Nityananda made of “Panchaloha”. The statue shows Gurudev with his right hand indicating his famous “Abhayamudra”. While the work was in progress inside the rock, Gurudev often worked on the outside. The structures resembling steps and link were done by his own hand. When an ardent devotee, Captain Hatengadi asked Gurudev at Ganeshpuri what it all meant, Gurudev told him that it represented the brain.
Kanhangad witnessed many a miracle by Gurudev. He was very fond of the company of children. He would play with them and distribute sweet-meats to them. His divine hands would go up together and when they came down, there would be bundles of sweetmeat in them. One of his pastimes was to go for swimming with Harijan children. He convinced everyone that all children were the gift of Almighty God and they had to be treated like that. Both at Kanhangad and later on at Ganeshpuri, Gurudev made elaborate arrangements for feeding children everyday and that continues to this day.
On the sea-coast of Kanhangad, were many families of fisher folk. They are known as “Mukhuvas” in Kerala. Many of them were devotees of Gurudev and would visit him often in the Ashram. One particular devotee was a man called Poklan. Poklan would often bring food for Gurudev. During those days, Gurudev had given up the practice of using hand to feed himself, and so Poklan had to put the food in morsels into Gurudev’s mouth. One day, after feeding Gurudev, Poklan and his son ventured into the sea to ply their trade. It was evening when they called it a day and were returning . Most unexpectedly, the sky grew dark and the wind blew hard. Thunder and lightning and rain followed the onset of a severe storm. It was midnight, and Poklan and his son were at the mercy of the elements. Their boat was about to capsize, when Poklan, totally helpless, prayed Gurudev to rescue them. Soon after, the father and son lost their sense. In their unconscious state, they were dimly aware of some power coming to their aid. Another boatman managed to pull both of them into his boat. They reached the shore and when they revived to their utter surprise, found that their saviour was none other than the Sadguru they had worshipped for a long time! Both father and son prostrated at the feet of Gurudev. Yet another wonder awaited them. Their boat which they had presumed to have been lost, got to the shore and that too, with a large catch of big fish!

These are amazing spritual feats performed by Swami nityananda performed just 100 years ago, which will make you think.
OM