What does yogis and prositutes have in common?

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#13

One of the benefits of yogis and yoga teachers in america, is that many excellent yoga teachers have professional day jobs, therefore they don’t have to charge a lot for classes they teach after hous, and many teachers in the houston area, where I live teach for free. Also, many yogis have day jobs so they don’t mind spending what they would normally spend for lunch, on a yoga class. It’s all relevant. To add to that, we have been led to believe that nothing is truly free, and if its too good to be true, it’s probably a scam. With that in mind, in order for someone to take a yoga class seriously, for some it must have a monetary value attached.

What’s the similarity between a yogi and a prostitute?
They both know and practice many excellent postures.

#14

JSK What’s the similarity between a yogi and a prostitute?
They both know and practice many excellent postures.

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#15

hi there, i am from mainland china, same situation here, all guru care about nothing but money. Taoism/Daoism guru, Lamaism guru with red clothes, modern spiritual formation teacher, Qi master, etc, some of them are real, but they only want money, they don’t really care about their students.

#16

i had a taoism guru, he was 81 years old when i met him, he got 5 inch beard, he lives in a moutain. He can see things. He talks like a wise man… turns out he only care about money.
I was in tibet. I had several guru in lama temple, they were old and being respectful. they can’t teach real thing but crap.

#17

[QUOTE=Sebastian John Murphy;73703]hi there, i am from mainland china, same situation here, all guru care about nothing but money. Taoism/Daoism guru, Lamaism guru with red clothes, modern spiritual formation teacher, Qi master, etc, some of them are real, but they only want money, they don’t really care about their students.[/QUOTE]

I can relate to what you have posted regarding most gurus. All they care about is the money and they really don’t care about the student or all they are interested in is rooted in ego. (such as having maximum disciples, wanting large sums of money etc.) Perhaps somewhere there exists a guru who does not desire these things (I have yet to meet one). :wink:

#18

I think this site is good, there are few gurus on here. Of course, they don’t call themselves Gurus and technically they are not (what are the qualifications?) but the information they provide is priceless!

#19

I have been thinking about the disrespectful title of this thread and setting aside the joking side which in terms of humour can be seen as funny. I am not sure one can generalise that gurus are all about the money. If you think about what the intentions of serious Gurus are…they are setting out to help people gain spiritual awareness. Teaching them things they may not otherwise know.

I know 4 people in England who follow Guru Maharaji They go whenever they can to meetings abroad. He has visited Britain too. One friend visits India whenever she can get there. All of these people are happy individuals and appear content with whatever it is he is offering them. They lead successful lives, no major heartbreaks or troubles in their lives.
They meditate and I know that whatever they may donate is minimal as they are not very wealthy people.

The Guru must need money in order to travel to the destinations around the world that he goes to. It must take some organising which must involve costs and people to help him. The halls must cost something to hire as weather in some of these destinations may not be ideal for say an outside free gathering.

I have never had the impression that these people are dissatisfied with this Guru or feel they are being ripped off.

#20

I have not yet met a single Guru who I would describe as genuine. They are either hungry for money or they are hungry for power. A rare few I have met in my trips in India I would describe as religious - neither hungry for money or power but brainwashed by tradition. I have not met a single individual who I would describe as enlightened or self-realized. I wonder if they even exist anywhere in the world - let me know if you know. Often when I ask this question, I get the same referrals: Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Amma, Mooji, Gangaji, Dalai Lama - and none of seem enlightened to me. I met several gurus, sadhus and swamis in India and did not meet a single enlightened person.

Regarding the money thing. I understand that rooms needs to be hired, things need to be arranged, projects need to be funded, the gurus travels need to be financed - but the actual amount they charge is often in disproportion to how much really is needed. I mean come on does the guru really need to charge $500 per person for a a day course? If 100 people attend, they make $50000 in a day. Does it really cost $50000 a day to hire a room?

The way I see it is, if you want to help somebody, you will help them without asking for anything in return other than the bare minimum to cover any costs - overall you make zero profit out of it.

#21

[QUOTE=kareng;73714]I have been thinking about the disrespectful title of this thread and setting aside the joking side which in terms of humour can be seen as funny. I am not sure one can generalise that gurus are all about the money. If you think about what the intentions of serious Gurus are…they are setting out to help people gain spiritual awareness. Teaching them things they may not otherwise know.

I know 4 people in England who follow Guru Maharaji They go whenever they can to meetings abroad. He has visited Britain too. One friend visits India whenever she can get there. All of these people are happy individuals and appear content with whatever it is he is offering them. They lead successful lives, no major heartbreaks or troubles in their lives.
They meditate and I know that whatever they may donate is minimal as they are not very wealthy people.

The Guru must need money in order to travel to the destinations around the world that he goes to. It must take some organising which must involve costs and people to help him. The halls must cost something to hire as weather in some of these destinations may not be ideal for say an outside free gathering.

I have never had the impression that these people are dissatisfied with this Guru or feel they are being ripped off.[/QUOTE]

Kareng noone said a guru does not need money in the world today everything costs money. You are here mixing things up let me tell you.

It is ok for a teacher to charge this is his work correct, but the point is here when they are trying to steal all your money. a parallell here a prostitute works in a bar she takes money for having sex this is ok its her job even though i dont agree with the act ,it is sex for money and its understandable that she takes money for her work.

But if she says she loves you and you believe her and go for it and you build a house and then she ignore you is that ok? this is how these fake yogis behave. So now you hopefully dont misunderstand the meaning of this thread. about taking money and stealing it. Santosha- contentment is gone and non stealing -asteya is gone from their practice. These people however go straight to narok.
So if they are not satiesfied and stealing they are fake. IF they are satiesfied and only keep the weel spinning and help people instead of stealing then the are real. ITs not wrong if a guru gets a lots of donation as long as he help others then with the overflow. ITS NOT HOW MUCH MONEY YOU MAKE ITS ABOUT WHAT YOU DO WITH THEM.

A common thing from big ashrams is to go around the world and collect money then they travel all around europe and america. Then they wil make sure it goes on first pages and the news that they gave money (millions) to the victims and reconstruction. Lets say they spend a million, but maybe 9 million is still there for them to use.

The thing is if a guru or yogi is real he must help 100% every day and so if such being existed it would be well known as things like this spread faster than fire. All kind of people would go to him to get help and then we talk local. So if someones guru only has foreginers around him it says alot. *If someone is geunine all local people would come and try to get help from him and he could not ignore them.

ITS NOT ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY YOU MAKE ITS HOW YOU USE THEM THAT MATTERS.

#22

Surya Deva is right on the money! I would like someone to show me a genuine guru one who is not interested in money, power or fame. Seems like the guru business is a way to fast cash. They’re just a bunch of salesmen/women selling a product which is enlightenment or self-realization.

#23

[QUOTE=Juniper;73781]Surya Deva is right on the money! I would like someone to show me a genuine guru one who is not interested in money, power or fame. Seems like the guru business is a way to fast cash. They’re just a bunch of salesmen/women selling a product which is enlightenment or self-realization.[/QUOTE]

but enlightenment cant be bought.

Lets just make an easy saying. everyone has the right to be happy. IF someone takes away other peoples happiness he is an asura if he gives happiness to all living creatures he is in deed a DEVA.

I wonder have many devas there are.

#24

doublepost by accident.

#25

My comments are to draw out more information from you all. I am trying to understand the magnitude of the deceit and it seems from the comments so far that it is huge. How disappointing it must feel to be ripped off by someone in such a trusted position, or to know they are making a fortune from it and not doing good with the money…they obviously don’t believe what they are actually teaching, what kind of re-birth would follow for such behavior I wonder???

It is very sad as it must make many feel cheated.

There is a huge light at the end of the tunnel . You don’t need a Guru. You truly do not need an outside Guru there is one inside you.

#26

[QUOTE=kareng;73805]My comments are to draw out more information from you all. I am trying to understand the magnitude of the deceit and it seems from the comments so far that it is huge. How disappointing it must feel to be ripped off by someone in such a trusted position, or to know they are making a fortune from it and not doing good with the money…they obviously don’t believe what they are actually teaching, what kind of re-birth would follow for such behavior I wonder???

It is very sad as it must make many feel cheated.

There is a huge light at the end of the tunnel . You don’t need a Guru. You truly do not need an outside Guru there is one inside you.[/QUOTE]

Well for me i have moved on and i dont broad on it, i took it as a lession and now i do everything my self. Still i got benefit and experience from it which i wouldnt have got otherwise. Im just telling people some facts so they can avoid such people. Becasue for westerners it is a new area which is easy to be fooled in.

Also we cant forget it is the age of kali and if you look around the last 3 years, at least i have noticed a higher greediness from all people all is about money now. and also worse quality from companies as they want to make more money. I think we will see very much dark for 3 years ahead and then we will see some light. Also maybe more nature disasters that already has been so far.

#27

I have also moved on from the experience of being misled and swindled by a fake The experience was a learning tool for me. Reminds me of a saying I once heard—“Once burnt, twice learnt.” I realize an outer guru is not necessary. Now I tune in to the inner guru inside.

#28

[QUOTE=fakeyogis;73810]Well for me i have moved on and i dont broad on it, i took it as a lession and now i do everything my self. Still i got benefit and experience from it which i wouldnt have got otherwise. Im just telling people some facts so they can avoid such people. Becasue for westerners it is a new area which is easy to be fooled in.

Also we cant forget it is the age of kali and if you look around the last 3 years, at least i have noticed a higher greediness from all people all is about money now. and also worse quality from companies as they want to make more money. I think we will see very much dark for 3 years ahead and then we will see some light. Also maybe more nature disasters that already has been so far.[/QUOTE]

thank you fakeyogis x…can you tell me about the age of kali, what is this about exactly?? Perhaps on a new thread x

#29

[QUOTE=Juniper;73812]I have also moved on from the experience of being misled and swindled by a fake The experience was a learning tool for me. Reminds me of a saying I once heard—“Once burnt, twice learnt.” I realize an outer guru is not necessary. Now I tune in to the inner guru inside.[/QUOTE]

glad you tune into the inner guru Juniper x

#30

Thank you Kareng!

Kind Regards To you.
Juniper

#31

Perhaps genuinely enlightened beings aren’t looking for followers so it’s impossible to find them anyway.
My Yoga teacher is in his 50’s. He travelled to India in his teens, studied with Iyengar, followed Baghwan Sri Rajneesh for many years and lived in his ashrams. He has taught Hatha Yoga for more than 30 years, runs a small studio with his wife. They teach Yoga for pregnant women, home birthing classes, children’s Yoga, Yoga for anyone. People have been coming to them for 25 years and still come. If you have no money you can take classes for free till you have money. They are always poor. Their studio is like a family. They have Kirtan and meditation by donation.
I don’t think he’s enlightened and he doesn’t claim to be but he is a good man with good intentions toward every soul and he lives the best way he can. Maybe this is the best you can do, spend your life the best way you can find? Always try to grow, learn and be compassionate. Serve love and give.
He’s not my Guru but I love him as a good soul and he inspires me to do better with my life.

#32

[QUOTE=kareng;73817]thank you fakeyogis x…can you tell me about the age of kali, what is this about exactly?? Perhaps on a new thread x[/QUOTE]

Hello
Best info i think if you search for it on google. Kali age is the dark ages. there are also satya dvarupa and treta yugas.

It is time ages and in satya there is 100% truth and in kali it is said to be 25% only. And when people dont care about righteousness which can be seen now when parents dont care if their daughter do unrighteous things they just see that there is money and close their eyes. They see but dont want to see. THis is most common in poor countries though. I dont think that in an industrial country the parents would be happy nor would they close their eyes if they knew.

Ive read that there have been interpreted in bhagavad gita that when krishna left 3100 something b.c Kali yuga started and that after 5000 years of his departure a satya yuga will come in the kali yuga to stay for 10thousand years. So if its true soon we will see this happen and also it is written that krishna says when people live most unrighteous he send someone to correct the order on earth.

you can get read about all this if you just google some sites. And much more. ITs always better to read from many sources.