that’s great. Today, however, I’m using a toilet and I do bath. And I’m filthy rich
Yes, but my point was that you were backwards before the 18th century. Today you are no longer backwards when it comes to technology. In science you are 
You had mentioned that before, but if it makes you happy. Did you, btw, notice, that your GDP still rose constantly? Except that it allegedly remained the same from 1 AD to 1000AD - quite improbably, isn’t it? However, in 1912 it was six times what it was in 1 AD. So what one can read from this list is that my dad made greater progress than your dad.
Have you noticed your GDP shrank from 1AD to 1000AD? In those days surplus production was not important, only enough had to be produced to sustain the society. From 1000AD onwards the emphasis shifted to surplus production, this is why the GDP grew. From 1800AD Industrial revolution allowed overproduction of goods and this is why the economy of your dad grew so rapidly. However, your industrial revolution was based on two things
- Killing of India’s industry which then dominated 25% of the industrial output in the world.
- Looting India’s wealth to fuel your own industrial revolution
Lets face it before your dad came in contact with my dad your dad was behind my dad. We civilised you indirectly.
Exactly. That’s one of two actually interesting questions here, because noone really cares about the GDP in 1AD or who invented the button, the toilet and “logic”.
I certainly do, because it history. I do admit it does give me some satisfication that my dad trumped your dad for most of world history.
That is the question. How could your oh-so-superior dad be owned by my dirty filthy barbaric primitive dad? How could your dad not have great weapons to defend himself? How could he be betrayed by an alleged simpleton like my dad? After millenia of being conquered by anyone, your dad was still naive as a 3-year-old kid?
Weapons technology develops in warring cultures, not peaceful culture. It is a fact my dad never invaded any other dad in 10,000 years of history. It is a fact that my dad valued ahimsa and dharma. It is also a fact that your dad was a savage barbarian from the very start - piracy, pillaging, plundering ran in his veins.
But my dad was not weak - far from it. My dad had a warrior culture, and our warrior culture was so strong, Alexandra the great’s armies ran away. They claimed to have defeat Poros, but that was a lie Alexandra told to his people because he was so embarrased his army ran away and that he had to concede his previously captured territory to Poros.
Nor was my dad weak when the Muslims attacked. We fought valiantly against this highly fanatical force that had walked through Western Europe and the Persians, but when they got to India they could not get India too easily, they had to constantly fight with Hindu kingdoms, the Rajputanas, the Marathas, the Sikhs and South Indian kings. The Mughals could never occupy all of India because of our strong warrior culture.
Then your dad came along as nothing more than an opportunist and took advantage of the fact that Hindus and Muslims kings were warring with one another. Through deciet, piracy, lies, betrayal - which came so naturally to your dad - your dad was able to invade my dad. But my dad never quit fighting, Pritvhiraj Chuan, Pindaris, Rani Laxshmi Bhai, Mangal Pandey and the Sikhs fought tooth and nail with your dad, and made sure your dad’s stay in our country was uncomfortable. We finally kicked your dad out in 1947.
No no, that is just your Hindu nationalist routine. For example have I recently watched a documentary about the history of chemistry. There it was explained in detail how that science evolved, who made which findings, who came up with which theories, who verified them, how the single elements were isolated, how the periodic table created, etc. etc. No India involved. Maybe - I have no idea - some remarkable findings were made in India in 3000BC, who knows. Yet, chemistry was explored and researched by my dad himself. And the same counts for physics:
What you watched a Western documentary that did not acknowledge Indian contributions, who would have thought of it
Read this book A history of Hindu chemistry and learn a bit of history you will never learn in your Western textbooks and documentaries. The author was the professor of chemistry at India’s Harvard, Presidency college Calcutta.
Chemistry in India was never studied separately from medicine and engineering, and yet it was utilized in both. To become a practicing doctor for example knowledge of chemistry was essential:
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The Ayurvedic classics mention eight branches of medicine: kāyācikitsā (internal medicine), śalyacikitsā (surgery including anatomy), śālākyacikitsā (eye, ear, nose, and throat diseases), kaumārabhṛtya (pediatrics), bhūtavidyā (spirit medicine), and agada tantra (toxicology), rasāyana (science of rejuvenation), and vājīkaraṇa (aphrodesiacs, mainly for men). Apart from learning these, the student of Āyurveda was expected to know ten arts that were indispensable in the preparation and application of his medicines: distillation, operative skills, cooking, horticulture, metallurgy, sugar manufacture, pharmacy, analysis and separation of minerals, compounding of metals, and preparation of alkalis. The teaching of various subjects was done during the instruction of relevant clinical subjects. For example, teaching of anatomy was a part of the teaching of surgery, embryology was a part of training in pediatrics and obstetrics, and the knowledge of physiology and pathology was interwoven in the teaching of all the clinical disciplines. The normal length of the student’s training appears to have been seven years. But the physician was to continue to learn.[13]
Yep, you stole our technology of steel and zinc production:
Steel:
According to traditional history Wootz steel originated in India before the beginning of the common era.[5] There is archaeological evidence of the manufacturing process in South India from that time.[6][7] Wootz steel was widely exported and traded throughout ancient Europe and the Arab world, and became particularly famous in the Middle East, where it was known as Damascus steel, it later traced to workshops in western India.[8]
In ancient times, thirty pounds of steel was a precious gift, deemed by King Porus worthy of presentation to Alexander the Great. Another sign that Ancient India was celebrated for its steel is seen in a Persian phrase - to give an “Indian answer,” meaning “a cut with an India sword.”[8]
Legends of Wootz steel and Damascus swords aroused the curiosity of the European scientific community from the 17th to the 19th Century. The use of high carbon alloys were not known in Europe previously and thus the research into Wootz steel played an important role in the development of modern English, French and Russian metallurgy.[9]
Western research
Wootz was possibly rediscovered in the mid 19th century by the Russian metallurgist Pavel Petrovich Anosov (see Bulat steel), who refused to reveal the secret of its manufacture other than to write five one-sentence descriptions of different ways in which it could be made.
Master bladesmith Alfred Pendray re-discovered what may be the classic techniques in the early 1980s, as later verified by Dr. John Verhoeven.[12][13]
Another method of wootz production, using modern technology, was developed around 1980 by Dr. Oleg Sherby and Dr. Jeff Wadsworth at Stanford University and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. Even though this steel had the characteristic bands of microcarbides, whether or not this could be considered wootz was disputed by Verhoeven since it was not made in a classical manner.
Zinc:
Zinc mines at Zawar, near Udaipur in India, have been active since the Mauryan period in the late 1st millennium BC. The smelting of metallic zinc here however appears to have begun around the 12th century AD.[55][56] One estimate is that this location produced an estimated million tonnes of metallic zinc and zinc oxide from the 12th to 16th centuries.[13] Another estimate gives a total production of 60,000 tons of metallic zinc over this period.[55] The Rasaratna Samuccaya, written in approximately the 14th century AD, mentions two types of zinc-containing ores; one used for metal extraction and another used for medicinal purposes.[56]
The isolation of metallic zinc in the West may have been achieved independently by several people. Postlewayt’s Universal Dictionary, a contemporary source giving technological information in Europe, did not mention zinc before 1751 but the element was studied before then.[56][65]
Flemish metallurgist P.M. de Respour reported that he extracted metallic zinc from zinc oxide in 1668.[13] By the turn of the century, ?tienne Fran?ois Geoffroy described how zinc oxide condenses as yellow crystals on bars of iron placed above zinc ore being smelted.[13] In Britain, John Lane is said to have carried out experiments to smelt zinc, probably at Landore, prior to his bankruptcy in 1726.[66]
In 1738, William Champion patented in Great Britain a process to extract zinc from calamine in a vertical retort style smelter.[67] His technology was somewhat similar to that used at Zawar zinc mines in Rajasthan but there is no evidence that he visited the Orient.[68]
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Physics:
Exercepts from Ancient Hindu chemistry:
Hindu theory of Sound:
“To account for sound originating in one place being heard in another, it is observed that sound is propogated by undulation, wave after wave, radiating in every direction from a centre… It is not the first wave, or the intermediate wave when the sound is heard, but only when it comes in contact with the sense organ of hearing. And therefore it is is not quite correct to say a drum has been heard. Sound originates in conjunction, disjunction or from other from other sound. The conjunction of cybmals or a stick with a drum exemplies the first. The rusling of leaves is sound by disjunction”
Your dad did not have a similar wave theory of sound until the 18th century.
Hindu theory of mechanics
Quotes from Vaiseshika sutras of Kanada(available online to read on archive.com)
*Action is the common cause of conjunction, disjunction and movement. For example the motion that is produced in the arrow is due to the action in the bow and disjunction of the arrow.
- Every action has an equal and opposing reaction
- Gravity is the cause of falling, when there is no conjunction. By the term conjunction impediments is implied. In the absence of impediments, due to gravity as the non co-herent cause, falling results…in a bird it is volition that is the impediment to falling. In an arrow discharged it is the initial momentum that is the impediment to falling. In the case of a body resting high on a tree branch, the tree branch is the impediment to falling.
*The horizontal motion of a discharged arrow though, though it is acted on by gravity, results from the initial impulse/momentum energy, but in the case of a falling arrow, when it loses it momentum energy due to gravity it falls.
- The first action of the arrow is produced from the momentum energy by the bow, the second action is from the propogation of the initial momentum energy, and in like manner the next and the next. The arrow would continue in like manner infinitely and at constant velocity, but by disjunction of gravity, the arrow gradually loses its momentum and falls.
Your did not have a similar theory of mechanics until the 18th century.
Hindu theory of thermodynamics
- The sun’s rays cause the cause the assent of waters with conjunction with wind. The waters conjuct with the sun’s rays and then conjunct with the wind, in the same way water is boiled and then evaporates.
*The freezing and thawing of water is due to light/heat. The aqueas atoms solidfy to form a binary atomic aggregate due to the absence of heat and thus lose their fluidity(kinetic energy) and appear to look solid. It might be asked what proof is there that snow and hail etc are water? Action is produced in the solid atoms by conjunction with a powerful heat. This leads to disjunction of the solid atoms originating fluidity within the binary atomic aggregate, hence the thawing of the snow, melting of hail. The efficient cause is heat.
Your dad not have a similar theory of thermodynamics and the states of matter or the recognition of heat and light being the same thing until the 18th century.
Thus what I said originally was true. You were backwards before the 18th century. You were not even at our standards in 2000BCE in science, technology, chemistry, production. All your sciences improved only when you had contact with us.
I am telling you - you are behind STILL in science 
That is because Newtonian physics does not apply under conditions with large scales. Large speed, large forces, large distances, etc. But it works perfectly on our scale, the human scale. You had mentioned this before, I guess it’s somewhat a standard-thing to bring up when discrediting evil western science, and I had told you that the Newtonian physics is a border case of the theory of relativity.
Ah, cute, this reminds me of what I was like in class when my professor of philosophy of science told this to us the first time when we were studying Popper and Kuhn. I was just like you, “No, it’s not that Newtonian physics is wrong, it’s only Newtonian physics applies to the everyday world and does not account for objects travelling near the speed of light and gravity distortions etc” Oh but then I found it was wrong. You see Einstein did not just add or tweak Newtonian physics, he completely transformed it and introduced new variables like space-time. The fact that Newtonian physics works on a practical level does not mean it is not wrong. Einstein found that reality was not at all a mechanistic clockwork universe, but reality was really a space-time fabric and mass was just highly condensed energy which created depressions in the space-time fabric creating “gravity wells” There were other implications of Einstein which Newton would have found totally absurd - the predicates that ruptures existed within space-time due to high gravitional fields(blackholes, wormhomes etc) and that time travel could be possible by travelling faster than the speed of light. He also showed each observer has a different frame of reference and time flows differently in each frame of reference. A person on higher ground and on lower ground are bizarrely in a slightly different frame of reference.
To not admit that the Einstenian physics is a completely different paradigm to Newtonian physics belies an ignorance of science. Similarly, to not admit that quantum physics is a completely different paradigm to Einstenian physics.
If you were really familiar with science you would know science is full of 101 bizarre theories today. Ever since quantum physics came into the picture the world of science was shaken up. The last 80 years of science has been coming to terms with quantum physics saying that this entire world of human perception does not actually really exist. There is no space-time. It is a weird world.
Due to understanding physics via Newton’s findings, science made a quantum leap. I wouldn’t know, but I never heard of an Indian equivalent of all those formulas, and I would not know that Newton had any inspiration from India. He found this out by himself, and then his findings were further developed by evil western scientist.
Again as Kuhn pointed out many people assume science is a historical process where our knowledge just grows in a linear way. The truth of the history of science is not this at all, the truth rather is the coming and going of paradigms incommensurable with one another.
As for Indian “formulas” Indian science is descriptive. We do not play these games of creating formulas and mathematical models - because we know they are wrong - because one thing is you cannot measure reality - you can only experience reality from your sensory level. What is quantum physics saying today? You cannot measure reality. So my dad did not waste time with equations and hypothesis like your dad. My dad has a superior scientific method to ascertain truth.
I doubt whether Newton was not influenced by India. First of all all his ideas were already well known to Indian natural philosophers(as proven above) even his calculus methods were known to the Kerela school of mathematicians. We are never going to find out - because your dad is a master of plagiarism.
However: The point remains unrefuted, if you have the science, you are in the position to create the technology. So if your dad had a more evolved science millenia ago: Where is the technology and since it’s simply not there: Why did he not build it? Explain.
A philosopher once famouly said, “Numbers, what is so special about numbers, some cultures probably use numbers to paint”
You have a typical reductionist Western mentality - where everything must be reduced to Western ways of thinking. So if the West developed certain technology, then so should have others. They didn’t, therefore this means the West is more advanced. Nope, what his proves is the West are simpletons that cannot understand other cultures do not have the same mindset.
Dharmic culture is not empiricst and materialist. We developed science not so that we can build better weapons and exploit each other and planet more efficiently - we developed science to end human suffering. We identified the cause of human suffering was the senses and the mind itself and sensory reality and even our sense of self was unreal, so we developed techniques by studying the mind using meditation to map out all areas of consciousness. We made them some amazing discoveries and the result was Yoga.
We developed Yoga with our science and you developed electronics. And guess what? Now that you’ve hit the quantum barrier - what are you in want of? You guessesd it: Yoga. I will say it again, were ahead of you.
Sure, the great siddhis. Fairy tales, my friend, a straw you try to hold onto. You dad mapped out the quantum level of reality. In meditation.
Do you know one of the worlds most renowned philosopher of science, physicists and author of “Tao of physics” Fritz Capra writes in his book of seeing atoms dance in and out of existence, which he describes as “the dance of Shiva” The reason you ridicule meditation as a valid scientific method is because you are backwards - you don’t understand that meditation can penetrate deep into the nature of reality - because you are still believing in flat-earth-like theories that you live in a physical world - despite the fact that quantum physics has long put that to rest.
Why did my dad have so much scientific knowledge without any machines or tools, such as Charaka describing 20 types of microrganisms and giving vivid descriptions of them - because my dad had discovered the master science of meditation. With meditation knowledge comes to you - rather than you going out there with your microscopes, telescopes and particle accelerators - but like I said you won’t understand this - because your dad is backwards
Here is the truth, and I will tell you only once more, and if you still don’t get it, I’ll leave you to your own devices: Reality is a consciousness field. It is not matter, there is no such thing as matter, but rather it is your mind’s sensory perception of the field that causes the field to appear as matter. Hence why it appears differently under different consciousness states. When you realise this, you will be able to penetrate deep into the field and gain control of all of reality.
My dad become a god, your dad is still a mortal
Dude, if your dad’s so cool, how come your brothers and sisters who unlike yourself still live in your dad’s house, are so miserable? I mean, someone with superhuman powers, who mapped out the quantum level of reality (lol) and plays with gravity as if (it is) a child’s toy: Can’t even feed his kids? How can that be?
My brothers and sisters are living in a country that had been colonized for 200-300 years by the British who bled it economically to death. Over 100 years 25 million of my brothers and sisters died from starvation and rest were reduced to dire poverty. When independence came in 1947 my brothers and sisters were 90% living in abject poverty and only 20-30% were literate.
Like I said your dad lacked scruples. We call you asura for a reason.
Some of which more or less resemble modern western scientific findings, which makes you freak out like it was some ancient Indian Soma-drinker who formulated the wave-function.
Do you even know the one who formulated the wave function and wave mechanics was a self-professed Hindu Do you know the Schrodinger’s cat is a Hindu paradox formulated by Samkhya? Do you know Schrodinger solution to his wave mechanics was Vedanta?
You’re cute. There was a man from India involved in the production of one specific microchip, and bam, the microchip was invented by Indians. A man from India was involved with investigating radio-waves, and bam, wireless communication was invented by Indians.
On the other hand, if someone solves highly advanced problems and uses a 0 in his calculations, none of his findings are his, but as well to attribute to the Indians.
No dear, my point was that that the modern technologies you falsely attribute to your dad, are not all by your dad - but have contributions from many dads.
Dude, I’m not denying your dad has contributed to science and technology. He did. Good job!
You deny mine has. According to your world-history, mine has shit on his ass and stabbed yours in the back, end of story.
I deny what you think he has contributed. He has contributed to material technology, mass production and capitalism. He outdid all other dads with the steam engine, railways and factories and then he produced the motor and electronics. These are all the results of empiricist tradition of your civilisation.
But your dad is backwards when it comes to science. Great technology does not equal great science.
I’d guess the world would’ve found out how to count by itself one day. As I had noted: Things like basic logic, math, philosophy is not invented. It’s found. Most of what you have is “we found it first”. And then there were contacts between your culture and others, and bam, all of the other cultures found and developed is all nothing but the result of such contact. That’s friggin hilarious.
No dear, it is invented. Is there any natural object called logic, math, philosophy? I can discover a land like say America, but if I come up with an idea I have not discovered it, but invented it. The mind invents logic, math and philosophy, it does not discover them.
What makes you think the zero would ever have been independently developed by you? Your first reaction to the zero was that it was a heresy, evil, demonic. You did not develop the zero because you did not have the same abstract mind like we did - you could not conceive of such grande ideas like zero and infinite are one and same or that microcosm is the macrocosm. You lacked the development of an abstract and philosophical mind. Your approach had always been indulgence in the material world and empirical outlook to maximise your pleasure of it. We on the other hand, realised that it was the senses that were the cause of out suffering and our embodient, preventing us from realising the true happiness in the ideal world within us. We went inwards, and you like the animals remained outwards.
haven’t contemplated about Aborigines at all, spontanously would I think they do have literature and philosophy and they might not need science as much as we do…
If the Indians found it all out themselves, the question remains: What enabled them? This
The answer is very simple why the Aborgines did not develop science, literature etc, because their mindset was not geared that way from the beginning. We Indians developed philosophy because our mindset was geared towards that- we after all have a religion whose scriptures are called the books of knowledge. We worship knowledge as a goddess. It is because of these noble beginnings we had a noble civilisation.
On the other hand, your civilisation had barbaric beginnings, so your dad became a babarian
You call us asuras for a reason indeed, because that way you do not have to openly stand to your racism. We are the asuras: What would that mean? We are inferior to you by nature. That’s what you want to say. You go with my 1). We who live in the west are asura, our kids are asura. By nature. It’s simply the way it is. And you are the devas, the holy beings, and you have to fight us, we have come to an end. Would you kill us if you could? Exterminate us? Like a rat infestation?
Your mindset is asura. We just want to destroy your mindset and replace it with a dharmic mindset. We have nothing against your brothers and sisters. We want you to be holy beings like we are
The world leader in robotic technology is not your dad, but the dad of a Japanese. The space station is not just a project by your dad, but an international project with large contingents of Indian and Chinese scientists.
