It is very apparent I am talking to somebody who lacks in knowledge of science and philosophy of science(amongst other things 
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Noone ever denied that Indians accomplished stuff. But they neither have an equivalent of the periodic table of elements
So you think all cultures in the universe(let us assume intelligent human like life on other planets for the sake of argument) would have a periodic table?
You are more ignorant than I thought. Classification systems are arbitrary systems that humans create and everybody classifies differently. Pluto was one time called a planet, then it was downgraded from being a planet. The notion of “planet” is an arbitrary criteria.
We had our own classification system where we divided the elements that make up the universe according to perception. There are 5 major senses organs through which we receive empirical data: eyes, nose, tongue, ears and the skin. This means there are only 5 categories of elements.
The elements which we receive through the eyes is tejas or light. It is made of particles called photons. The sub category of matter in this category ranging from subtle to gross: 7 colours of the spectrum of light, heat, fire.
The element which we receive through the nose is pritvhi or solid. It is made up of solid particles. The sub category of matter in this category ranging from subtle to gross:Solid Particles, earth, rocks, minerals, metals, materials.
The element which receive through the tongue is apas liquid. It is made up of fluidic particles in motion. The sub category of matter in this category ranging from subtle to gross: kinetic energy, water, oil, gasses
The element which we receive through the the ears is vibration or akasha. It is non-atomic and pure vibration. The subcategory of matte subtle to gross: is low frequency vibration, normal range frequency vibration, high frequency vibration.
The element which we receive through the skin is force or vayu - It is made up of force atoms. The subcategory of matter ranging from subtle to gross: subtle forces like prana, gravity, wind.
This is how we classify matter. Now you want to compare the classification systems my dear? Gladly.
Periodic table only considers solid matter, liquids and gasses as atomic elements. But what about other stuff that exists like gravity and light. Are they not atomic elements? We certainly know that that light is made out of photons, and we strongly suspect gravity is made out of gravitons. Therefore they are atomic elements too - but where do they fit in the periodic table?
The periodic table was created at a time we were unaware of subatomic particles. Today we know for a fact in particle physics that the atomic elements are not elements and have discovered dozens of finer atoms. So the periodic table is wrong We knew from the start about these subatomic particles. We said that atoms aggregate first in pairs, then pairs intro triplets and so on until there is a visible atom.
Moreover, if you are familiar with latest physics the old chemical classification system is no longer used. We now use a 4 element system we call fundamental forces which make up the entire universe:
Nuclear strong
Nuclear weak
Electromagnetic
Gravity
We had the 5 element classification system before you did. You now recognise 4 fundamental forces which correspond quite neatly to our elements(pritvhi - nuclear strong; apas - nuclear weak; tejas - electromagnetic; vayu - gravity) Finally, you now even recognise our 5th element of akasha: quantum field/zero point energy field.
Now only this you recognise the exact order in which we say matterr appears: vayu, tejas, apas, pritvhi. First as virtual quanta in the zero point energy. Then manifesting as the fundamental forces. Then as photons. Then as subatomic particles. Then as solid atoms.
But like I said you are backwards. We can tell you about the matter even before the quantum which are you yet to understand and may yet take a few centuries to
Prior to the quantum is the sensory qualia known as tanmatra, the units that construct perception. Prior to the tanmatra is the pure information as cognized in the mind where everything exists as thought. Prior to the thought is the the intention where matter exists as a pure process. Finally, prior to this is is pure consciousness - emanating from absolute vibration.
There are in total 7*7 vibrational densities of matter, with each phase change as we descend from absolute vibration, matter becomes more and more dense.
What do you know in string theory there is an absolute matter called a superstring from which all matter arises and with each phase change there is a different vibrational density. There are, surprise surprise 7 additional dimensions to make up a 10 dimensional universe.
Face it, your science is pretty much confirming everything we have told you. You are backwards. We excell you in science like you could not even imagine
You start listing stuff that was found in India. My god… So pathetic. Honeybunney, one more time:
NOONE DENIES YOUR DADDY WAS SMART AND FOUND OUT STUFF!!!
You’re the damn racist here.
I am not saying anything racist here. I am proving my point that prior to the 18th century your dad was backwards in all areas be it science, technology, economy, production, art, language, philosophy - in everything he was backwards. I mean come in your past people use to entertain themselves by going to colliseums and watching blood baths or live executions.
I admit that after the 18th century your dad leaped ahead of my dad in technology(albeit, by first stealing his technologies and then destroying his country so my dad could not progress anymore) but not science. You really don’t understand this difference between science and technology. It actually hurts your brain to conceive that they are different, doesn’t it
Science is an epistemology - do you know what means? It means science is the study of knowledge, the construction of knowledge and how to obtain knowledge.
Your dad’s epistemology is empiricism and hypothetical-deductivtism where knowledge is obtained by measuring physical things. Now you got the measurements, but what does it mean? In order to understand this you construct theories, mathematical models. Now a theory is never actual proof, even if the theory passes several trials succesfully, there always comes a point when contradictory data comes along which results in its falsification. This means scientific progress progresses at a snails pace as a theory come along and becomes dominant, and then all of a sudden we realise it is wrong, and have to rethink the matter.
This method of trial and error is slow painstreaking.
My dad’s epistemology is rationalism and he uses inductive-deductive logic where knowledge is obtained by first making an observation from a fact, and then and analysing it logically, and following that chain of logic to make discoveries about how reality works and unseen phenomena in the universe simply based on one measurement. All you must demonstrate is the relationship of pervasion between the major and the minor term, such that it is impossible that there is no other logical outcome e.g., there is fire on the moutain, because there is smoke on the moutain, wherever there is smoke there is fire such as when burning wood. Here too there is smoke. Therefore there is fire(this is known as ordinary seen to unseen reasoning where both objects are known to be existent)
Want to learn more? Pick up a book on Nyaya(Indian logic) but be careful if are having trouble understanding basic concepts in philosophy of science like the distinction between science and technology, you will find it heavy stuff… Even professors of Western logic read it and struggle with it, because it is highly technical.
Why did Vaiseshika get every one of its theories on sound, mechanics, thermodynamics, atoms correct, despite doing a single experiment? Simple, the inductive-deductive method of logic woks.
My dad method is vastly superior to your dad’s. If you can follow logic, you can from a single observation map out the entire nature of reality from the most subtle to the most gross. You can do this in a matter of minutes(hey we invented Vedic maths, we are known how to do things more quickly). Not a single experiment has to be conducted. No theories or models have to be produced.
We do have a special empirical method of validation though from what we discover through logic. It is called meditation Logic says there are atoms, and then we actually see the spritely little things whizzing about in and out of existence in meditation.
That’s all you need to form a perfect science. But you won’t understand this - because you are backwards.
It’s not wrong, SD. Not. There are only “limits of validity”. That’s all. Really. For example if you have a distance of 100 km and you know you can travel with an average speed of 50 km per hour, you can calculate with a Newtonian formula, that it will take you two hours to get there. That’s not wrong. It correct. It get’s wrong if you travel lightyears at a speed near that of light, wich would be something like for example 250,000 km per second. Then you need relativistic mechanics.
That is the case and there is no debating this.
Oh dear, I could just imagine you in that class. My professor would have had a field day with you. Anyway, it’s ok such complex concepts(though to me is straight forward now, but initially I was like you) are not easy to grasp.
Let us look at your example: If you travel a distance of 100km at 50kmph you will get there in 2 hours. Correct?
Now imagine a scenorio where you have a 100km road that is at high altitude say 100m above the ground but identical to one on the ground level. Imagine that both cars start at exactly the same time and travel at exactly the same speed. They both arrive at the 2 hour mark. Have they both arrived at the same time?
To the onlooker it would seem so, but if we placed an atomic clock in the cars we would found that the one above has experienced a fraction of more time, than the one below. This is because they are both in different frames of reference and time is passing differently in each frame of reference.In a similar case if we send somebody to a high gravitational source such as a blackhole or star for a day(lets assume they live and have a spaceship that travels at instant speed) When they return to earth they will find that several days have passed on earth.
Now the relativistic effects became very apparent.
Newton had no understanding of frames of reference, time being a dimension of its own and time flowing differently in different frames of reference. He knew nothing about matter being condensed light, how energy is converted to matter at the speed of light, how intense energy caused gravity wells and how gravity was nothing more than a curvature in space-time.
General relativity is a completely different paradigm of physics. It was so different that originally physicists rejected it and called it nonsense.
Newtonian physics models the universe as a clockwork mechanism, made out of solid, rigid parts that only operate when forces act on them. He saw forces as real entities and saw space and time as both absolute.
Finally, quantum physics is completely different to both of them. At least Newtonian physics and relativity work with a real world, quantum physics denies the world altogether. It uses statistical probability analysis to analyse events happening in reality. It does not work with a real world, but a world of pure probability with no definite physical laws.
I am sorry if you cannot see that these are completely different paradigms then I strongly have to question your intelligence now(okay… more strongly than before) It is widely accepted fact in philosophy of science today that science works with paradigms, which come and go. Science does not grow in a linear way.
Sure. I wouldn’t understand why a culture that has great knowledge has it’s people suffer. Would have the means to create technology to make their lives better, but doesn’t. Could create means of self-defense from evil demonic monkey-barbarians, but prefers to let them take over and rape the lands. And then spends hours of productivity to whine about all that. That makes no sense in my book.
But our people did not suffer dear. They lived a good quality of live and lived in an economy that was the richest in the world up until the 18th century. They had healthcare, sanitation, education and of course Yoga
Particularly not, when they actually did develop technology.
Yes, practical technology that helped us do practical things. We maintained a humble and practical effort in technology. What was the the need for the steam engine, motors, electronics? You had a need because you wanted to massproduce because you were motivated by greed for materials and you had no ethical problem in raping the resources of the earth and polluting her. We were fine with the technology we had because it more than met our needs.
Having scientific knowledge does not mean that one will be masters in technology. Technology needs a predeliction to materialism, we were not interested in materials, but in philosophy, science, mathematics, spirituality. We had an abstract and philosophical mind that was simply not geared to technology.
You are never going to understand the very basic concept that different cultures have different mindsets. Yours was empirical and technological, ours was rational and scientific. We worked with abstract things, you worked with material things.
But obviously you did not end human suffering. Totally not. So your science is worthless, my friend. And in fact, it’s not even science. It’s religion. Faith.
I beg to differ, and many others will beg to differ. We created Yoga to end humans spiritual suffering. We created Ayurveda to ends the humans physical suffering. We created the six systems of philosophy to end the humans mental suffering.
You are forgetting we were the richest country in the world for most of the world history. We were obviously doing something right.
Aww, that’s great. Amazing discoveries you made. Where are they? What results from them? I see nothing. Millions of people in India have a buck per day to live of. How is that amazing?
Millions of people in India just recently got independence in 1947, after 250 years of becoming bled to death and impoverished by the British.
The discoveries we made are all being confirmed by science today. You are doing our Yoga, don’t forget that
You know why “we are want in of Yoga”? Because it’s a great exercise. That’s it. If Yoga had not those gymnastics, Yoga would be nowhere in the West. Noone would be interested. I guess for 90+% of the people who do “Yoga”, Yoga is nothing but gymnastics. What makes Yoga big, is the effect the gymnastics have on the body. And it’s just one type of physical exercises of many, other people do bodybuilding or Kung Fu or go jogging, spinning, curling, swimming. Yoga in the West and in India is watered down beyond recognition and hardly used for the purpose layed out in the Yoga Sutras. Aren’t you whining about that all the time as well?!
In that case why is gymnastics, jogging, spinning, curling and swimming not a multi billion dollar business with a craze of tens of millions worldwide? In that case why do Christians not just take up gymnastics, rather than beating themselves up on whether they are sinning by doing Yoga and fighting with their churches for the right to do it.
Obviously our product Yoga works, and works exceeding well. Otherwise why would somebody as spiritually backwards as you be doing it. Why not just take up gymnastics
Yoga is our product, based on 10,000 years of research and development from our tradition based on our epistemology and scientiic method and our theories and the work our scientists like Patanjali. And you’re using it If I tell you to drop it and take up gymnastics - you won’t. You need our superior science to make yourself better(you need a LOT of it)
Honey, meditation is not valid scientific method. Experiences in meditation are individual subjective experiences that have no effect on anything but the one who is meditating. They are not sharable, they cannot be reproduced.
Really, Fritjof Capra and other philosophers of science and physicists today disagree. Meditation is a very valid science and is actually used as science today in transpersonal psychology in a field known as mental phenomenology.
I know I am talking to an ignoramus here, but you are actually woefully ignorant about science that it hurts 
Capra shows in meditation one does a controlled observation of their mind by using the following variables: you fix your body down so that there are no significant movements. You maintain your natural breath. You close your eyes and then give your mind a focal point and maintain focus on it. Consciousnes researchers then gather data. They have found that while the content of the mind is subjective, the structures of consciousness and the states of consciousness are not. It is now shown through even strong empirical data the brainwave changes and changes in neurological activity during meditation can be measured and graped. That one can tell even from the monitor which state the subject has entered. In addition the supernormal abilities of yogis that become active during meditation have also been studied.
About 100 years of research in out of body experiences, psychic abilities, past life memories has proven without a shadow of doubt they are real. Recently studies have more provided so much proof that skeptics in the scientific community are dwindling in numbers.
Not only are you in general backwards in your understanding of science, but you are backwards in the knowledge of your own science. You still live in 200 year old Newtonian world. Come at least come to the level of quantum. Then we’ll take to the final level of absolute.
I’m a Jnani
HAHA
Same method all the time. Dude, Schr?dinger was not a Hindu. He was interested in Hinduism. He did not convert to Hinduism.
Nope, he was actually Hindu. There is no formal conversion process in Hinduism, you either identify with it and believe its tenets, or you do not. Schrodinger believed in the all pervading universal self and the world of multiplicity to be illusion, he kept a copy of the Gita and read it religiously, he called his cat “Atman” and he dedicated a chapters to Vedanta in his autobiography. He even called himself a Jnanai. He was Hindu. Sorry if it hurts your pride that the father of quantum mechanics was a Hindu
The father of the Pentium chip was a Hindu too. And the father of wireless communcations The father of medicine is a Hindu. The father of linguistics is a Hindu…
Damn, even the founder of hotmail is a Hindu 
No, can you provide some source for that?
Read his biography by Walter Moore. Walter Moore admits that quantum mechanics was a direct result of his involvement with Hindu philosophy. He also admits that Schodingers cat in the paradox is a Samkhya problem.
Notice the repetition of “that that”.
You talk a lot of BS Mr-dancing-is-banned in India. You should stop jumping to conclusions and embarrasing yourself.
Of course there is. The universe has universal laws, you know.
Then tell me through which sense do you get this data from
I already told you: If you have 5 apples and take 5 away, how many apples do you have? No apples. What number of apples is that? Hey, let’s call it zero.
And yet for thousands of years you could not invent the zero You are being a bit of a dunce, the zero does not just mean “nothing” it is used in the place value decimal system in order to count to huge numbers. The fact remains you did not invent this, rather you had a stupid and cumbersome roman numeral system, with which you could not even do simple calculations. We were dealing with numbers as large as 10^50 when you were struggling with the millions
What is wrong with my mindset, SD? I have not conquered any land, I have not stolen anything from anybody, I don’t feel superior to anybody, I don’t want to hold anybody down, I don’t want to deny anybody the recognition they deserve, I want peace, I want to and do share my wealth.
Here is what is wrong with your mindset. Your quote:
You claim to still have them, because you’re a proud Hindu nationalist and can’t stand the truth, that your nation was raped, destroyed and now has to catch up.
You take glee in the fact that my nation was raped and destroyed. You speak on behalf of Western civilisation and you are not even slightly apologetic about the evil your dad wrought on the planet, the extermination of Native Americans, aborgines, the slavery of the Africans and the plundering, looting and pillaging of Indians.
This IS exactly what is wrong your with your mindset. You are a backwards culture. You may have electronics, computers, particle accelerators - but still you don’t know how to use your intellect to reason properly and know nothing about your vast inner world and the higher dimensions of reality.
You can keep calling me racist but that will not prove I am racist. I have already made clear my problem is with your asura culture not your people. Your asura culture needs to go, for deva culture to prevail. Look at the world around you - your asura culture is responsible for it. Let the adults take care of this planet - not some new kids on the block who were nowhere before the 18th century.
Let us finish this game and put an end to our misery ;)...or differentiate these two questions:
I already had asked you the question, why great Yogis who acquired Siddhis would not show them. You did not reply, wanna try this time? Why is there no single Yogi just teleporting around or flying or doing something outstanding? REading minds, becoming invisble? Why is that not happening?