YA, please dont get me wrong, I like ya
[QUOTE=Brother Neil;37503]You chose a very small part of what I wrote, why can we not predict the wind? got to 2ndlight.com and ask how accurate science is at predicting the wind, there are many surfers/scientists there who study weather.[/QUOTE]
I will always choose small perts of what people write. I don’t have time to attend to every point made by every person. I’m a little confused as to why you are assigning the task of making predictions. Science has nothing to do with clairvoyance. Science is obviously used to predict weather for on the NEWS, but science doesn’t claim to be clairvoyance. That would be insane to make a ridiculous claim like that.
science is based on understanding, A+b equals C if science cannot explain what will happen then what is it good for?
[QUOTE=Pawel;37495]I think because YA is talking about workings of the universe (physics) and BN about origin of the existence (meta-physics). These are quite distinct areas in my opinion…[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily Pawel. Recent experiments, for example, have shown that light particles, or photons, will behave in a certain way under certain conditions [I][U]only when observed[/U]![/I] Then act entirely differently when not observed. The great minds are still mulling that over.
Of course, not being one of the great minds I can only imagine that both physics and meta-physics are part of this universe and exist simultaneously. Even the harshest scientist cannot explain away many of the ‘weird’ behaviours of the smallest, or largest, objects they observe. That is why there is still such a great search for the Grand Unified Theory. Each time they get close, something odd occurs that distort the mathematics and leave them scratching their heads. I truly love this stuff.
[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;37515] I truly love this stuff.[/QUOTE]
that makes me smile flex
[QUOTE=Brother Neil;37511]science is based on understanding, A+b equals C if science cannot explain what will happen then what is it good for?[/QUOTE]
If you can’t understand what science is good for, and if you would only respect science if it could predict the future then I can’t help you. All I can say is that science is essential for understanding the nature of our universe. The further one becomes from looking at the world scientifically, the further one is from understanding it.
[QUOTE=YogiAdam;37523]If you can’t understand what science is good for, and if you would only respect science if it could predict the future then I can’t help you. All I can say is that science is essential for understanding the nature of our universe. The further one becomes from looking at the world scientifically, the further one is from understanding it.[/QUOTE]
Ok brother
again, everyone please understand I am not saying not to do asanas, pranayam, and meditation, if it works for you that is all the scentific explanation you need.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;37505]Faith is for the feeble minded, IMO.[/QUOTE]
also, try telling that to my sister, she has overcome more physical illness then 99 percent of the people in this world EVER will
[QUOTE=Brother Neil;37527]again, everyone please understand I am not saying not to do asanas, pranayam, and meditation, if it works for you that is all the scentific explanation you need.[/QUOTE]
I agree that performing asanas can be good for your health, but if something ‘works for you’, that isn’t actually a scientific explanation at all. That’s just saying that you like something. If a scientific explanation was about ‘whatever works for you’, then science would become as messy and vague as religion.
[QUOTE=YogiAdam;37529]I agree that performing asanas can be good for your health, but if something ‘works for you’, that isn’t actually a scientific explanation at all. That’s just saying that you like something. If a scientific explanation was about ‘whatever works for you’, then science would become as messy and vague as religion.[/QUOTE]
and that is why science and religion make good siblings
[QUOTE=Brother Neil;37530]and that is why science and religion make good siblings[/QUOTE]
Fair enough…I have never been able to reconcile the two.
[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;37515]Not necessarily Pawel. Recent experiments, for example, have shown that light particles, or photons, will behave in a certain way under certain conditions [I][U]only when observed[/U]![/I] Then act entirely differently when not observed. The great minds are still mulling that over.
Of course, not being one of the great minds I can only imagine that both physics and meta-physics are part of this universe and exist simultaneously. Even the harshest scientist cannot explain away many of the ‘weird’ behaviours of the smallest, or largest, objects they observe. That is why there is still such a great search for the Grand Unified Theory. Each time they get close, something odd occurs that distort the mathematics and leave them scratching their heads. I truly love this stuff.[/QUOTE]
Hi Flex,
Of course that those photons would behave in different way - they just interacted with measuring instrument. Act of measurement will change their state. But even if there is more to that, that doesn’t change what I meant before:
Physics is dealing with the laws governing the CONTENT of the universe (including space and time). Focusing on variables we can observe formulating laws governing matter.
Metaphysics deals with NATURE (and origin) of the existence (of universe and its contents). Science (especially physics) is not dealing with questions like why we exist, what is the nature of our existence, is our existence obvious or something unique, what is the true nature of things. These are important questions but science as it is now is not covering such topics.
For some people God may be object of scientific inquiry. After all, why not? But I feel its like Nikita Khrushchev speech after 1st space flight pronouncing: “Gagarin flew into space, but didn’t see any God there”. You need some distance to see how funny is such approach.
Metaphysics does not deal with the questions of why we exist either, or what is the nature of our existence. That is philosophy. It deals in exactly the same way physics deals with existence and deals with the how questions. To be honest the line between physics and metaphysics is blurry. Technically postulating the existence of invisible entities like atoms, quarks, quantum forces, superstrings is metaphysics. It is no different to talking about chakras and prana.
[QUOTE=Brother Neil;37485]SD, I surf, and one interesting thing is that with all the science we have today, there is a huge challenge in predicting the wind for tomorrow. sceince can be pretty accurate on when the waves arive, the size, etc… but Many times the forecast will say one thing for the wind two days away and ti will be completely different. ask any surfer who knows what he is talking about and he will tell you that science cannot predict the wind worth a darn. So, what existed before the big bang, molecuels, atoms, God. There is a huge gap between science, and what makes life possible. Science will never close that gap.
I am not saying dont do asanas, Breathing, meditation, etc… yes scientifically they make sense, but what we are is beyond that which makes sense.[/QUOTE]
I’m with you on this one brother.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;37557]Metaphysics does not deal with the questions of why we exist either, or what is the nature of our existence. That is philosophy. It deals in exactly the same way physics deals with existence and deals with the how questions. To be honest the line between physics and metaphysics is blurry. [/QUOTE]
Yes, after all metaphysics is a branch of philosophy. But it contains questions that modern science is not addressing due to their not-scientific nature: e.g. existence of mental entities.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;37557] Technically postulating the existence of invisible entities like atoms, quarks, quantum forces, superstrings is metaphysics. It is no different to talking about chakras and prana.[/QUOTE]
Atoms are visible (and quarks as well, but not directly). You can shoot photons at atoms. Some of them will be reflected back - so you are able to see it. I don’t think you can see prana this way. And also I don’t think you can shoot photons at God hoping some of them return with information about how God looks like 
[QUOTE=Brother Neil;37485] I am not saying dont do asanas, Breathing, meditation, etc… yes scientifically they make sense, but what we are is beyond that which makes sense.[/QUOTE]
What exactly is it about us that doesn’t make sense to you? I think we are very fortunate to live in an age where we can make very good sense of so much.
'm curious to find out, what is God to you?
Do you pray to God in time of need, do you believe your destiny is in God?s hands, do you ask God for forgiveness, do you thank God, where do you find God etc etc…
God is love.If u know how to love then u come to know god easily.Try it.
If u love god for God sake then u find god inside u.If u love god to satisfy your wishes through your prayers u never realize him.u can change your destiny with divine grace but once u realize god through your love u yourself don’t like to change the destiny.Everyone has to obey the law of karma.
[QUOTE=dinksma;37587]God is love.If u know how to love then u come to know god easily.Try it.[/QUOTE]
We already have a word for ‘love’. It’s ‘love’. Why don’t you just use the word ‘love’, when you are talking about love, and you can loose the word ‘God’… try that.
yes i too know we already have the word love.Even though love is a basic quality, love differs depending on the person we love.love between a brother and sister,love between a husband and wife love between children and father…so it differs and each one is unique in its sense, not all the love are same but we use the same word love.Likewise love between a human soul and God is unique and it is the only way to realize god.
its all not about word but realization those who just dwell in words miss other things.
Many know love in word only not in real.how will they realize god?.so if a person is successful in all this loves then love towards god comes naturally so as realization.
Jesus loved and cared everyone so realizing god comes naturally no need for other things
just think about it.