Do you think God is also found in anger, war, judgement, death, punishment…?
Anger against ignorance.
War against unrighteousness
Judgement of actions
Death of ego
Punishment of action against cosmic law
[QUOTE=YogiAdam;37337]Absolutely agree. If there is a god/gods, then it’s a scientific question and is subject to evidence. Now that I think about it, it certainly is a philosophical question… actually I think the idea of god is PRIMARILY a philosophical and scientific question.[/QUOTE]
well if you knew first hand the life of my sister, the doctors/scientists are amazed by her and have been for thirty years as she has defied scientific explanation. science can only take one so far, so what made the big bang possible, and what made that possible, and what made that possible? It is beyond the big bang, beyond the philosophy. thats my opinion. brother Neil
Namaste,
It would be more accurate to say Modern science can only took one so far, as far as we can know using the modern scientific method. However, science can take us to the end of knowledge. We will learn more and more as time goes.
In any case belief is not a subtitute for science. Just because modern does not know everything does not mean anybody can believe in anything.
how can science take one to the edge of knowledge when there is no edge of knowledge, many times we get further, then we think we know, we go further yet and find out we did not know, and replace that old knowledge with new and then this new knowledge fails on down the road too.
How do you know there is no edge of knowledge? Everytime we make a new scientific discovery our knowledge of the world deepens. We know the physical world very well and can make predictions about microscopic events accurate to the trillionth of a part. So our knowledge is getting more and more accurate. We have succesfully been able to map the human genome and we can now from just a piece of your hair reveal very specific details about somebody and even grow body parts. We are at the point where we can engineer life, replicate the fusion reaction in the sun and create artificial intelligence. We can predict celestial events with great accuracy.
The physical universe is not infinite it has an origin at the big point of the big bang. So physical knowledge is not infinite either.
[QUOTE=Brother Neil;37464]well if you knew first hand the life of my sister, the doctors/scientists are amazed by her and have been for thirty years as she has defied scientific explanation. science can only take one so far, so what made the big bang possible, and what made that possible, and what made that possible? It is beyond the big bang, beyond the philosophy. thats my opinion. brother Neil[/QUOTE]
This made me think of a quote I came across a few years ago by the Dalai Lama, so I looked it up:
[I]“What science finds to be nonexistent, (I) must necessarily accept, but what science merely does not find is a completely different matter. It is quite clear that there are many, many mysterious things.”[/I]
God to me is a higher being. He is of greater forgiveness and understanding. I have gone through several life altering moments that have lead me to my beliefs today.
Peace
[QUOTE=Brother Neil;37464]well if you knew first hand the life of my sister, the doctors/scientists are amazed by her and have been for thirty years as she has defied scientific explanation. science can only take one so far, so what made the big bang possible, and what made that possible, and what made that possible? It is beyond the big bang, beyond the philosophy. thats my opinion. brother Neil[/QUOTE]
Science doesn’t claim to know everything. If it did, then obviously all scientific research would stop. That’s what I really love about science. The honesty. If we don’t know something, we don’t know, and making up explanations only serves to remove one further and further from the truth of reality.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;37471]How do you know there is no edge of knowledge? Everytime we make a new scientific discovery our knowledge of the world deepens. We know the physical world very well and can make predictions about microscopic events accurate to the trillionth of a part. So our knowledge is getting more and more accurate. We have succesfully been able to map the human genome and we can now from just a piece of your hair reveal very specific details about somebody and even grow body parts. We are at the point where we can engineer life, replicate the fusion reaction in the sun and create artificial intelligence. We can predict celestial events with great accuracy.
The physical universe is not infinite it has an origin at the big point of the big bang. So physical knowledge is not infinite either.[/QUOTE]
SD, I surf, and one interesting thing is that with all the science we have today, there is a huge challenge in predicting the wind for tomorrow. sceince can be pretty accurate on when the waves arive, the size, etc… but Many times the forecast will say one thing for the wind two days away and ti will be completely different. ask any surfer who knows what he is talking about and he will tell you that science cannot predict the wind worth a darn. So, what existed before the big bang, molecuels, atoms, God. There is a huge gap between science, and what makes life possible. Science will never close that gap.
I am not saying dont do asanas, Breathing, meditation, etc… yes scientifically they make sense, but what we are is beyond that which makes sense.
[QUOTE=moninja7;37475]God to me is a higher being. He is of greater forgiveness and understanding. I have gone through several life altering moments that have lead me to my beliefs today.
Peace[/QUOTE]
I have been humbled many times, and this has lead me to the belief that if someone is happy, who am i to judge or give my opinion on what they do. This may not sound like much but in a way it is a whole lot to me. It allows me to accept people in a way I did not before.
[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;37472]This made me think of a quote I came across a few years ago by the Dalai Lama, so I looked it up:
[I]“What science finds to be nonexistent, (I) must necessarily accept, but what science merely does not find is a completely different matter. It is quite clear that there are many, many mysterious things.”[/I][/QUOTE]
Yeah flex, if people knew firsthand her life story, the times she has been on her deathbed and pulled through, which has basically been her whole life, the arrogant would be humbled. But who am I to point a finger at the arrongant?
[QUOTE=Brother Neil;37485]There is a huge gap between science, and what makes life possible.[/QUOTE]
ABSOLUTE RUBBISH! We have mountains of evidence for how life is possible and how it has evolved. There is no shortage evidence to explain how life came into being and evolved. However, unfortunately, you need to close the ‘spirituality’ books, and open up the science books. Try it, you’ll be amazed at what we’ve discovered.
[QUOTE=YogiAdam;37490]ABSOLUTE RUBBISH! We have mountains of evidence for how life is possible and how it has evolved. There is no shortage evidence to explain how life came into being and evolved. However, unfortunately, you need to close the ‘spirituality’ books, and open up the science books. Try it, you’ll be amazed at what we’ve discovered.[/QUOTE]
I read both and find truth in both. How is this possible?
[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;37493]I read both and find truth in both. How is this possible?[/QUOTE]
I think because YA is talking about workings of the universe (physics) and BN about origin of the existence (meta-physics). These are quite distinct areas in my opinion…
[QUOTE=Brother Neil;37485]SD, I surf, and one interesting thing is that with all the science we have today, there is a huge challenge in predicting the wind for tomorrow. sceince can be pretty accurate on when the waves arive, the size, etc… but Many times the forecast will say one thing for the wind two days away and ti will be completely different. ask any surfer who knows what he is talking about and he will tell you that science cannot predict the wind worth a darn. So, what existed before the big bang, molecuels, atoms, God. There is a huge gap between science, and what makes life possible. Science will never close that gap.
I am not saying dont do asanas, Breathing, meditation, etc… yes scientifically they make sense, but what we are is beyond that which makes sense.[/QUOTE]
Well I never claimed that modernscience can make 100% certain predictions, that is impossible because science would need to know 100% variables in the universe to make those predictions, but can it make predictions with staggering accuracy to the trillionith of a part? Yes. Like said, in terms of physical universe, modern science has mapped a large percentage of it out.
As for going beyond the physical universe the Yogic sciences have mastered this to a high level, comparable to how modern science has mapped the physical universe. Even modern science is now beginning to advance in these areas such as with consciousness studies, transpersonal psychology, neurophenomenology and studies into biofeedback mechanisms.
My point is modern science will eventually be able to explain absolutely everything about matter, mind, consciousness, god etc. There is absolutely no need for faith in our scientific world.
[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;37493]I read both and find truth in both. How is this possible?[/QUOTE]
I guess that is possible if you apply a very loose definition to the term ‘truth’
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;37496]Well I never claimed that modernscience can make 100% certain predictions, that is impossible because science would need to know 100% variables in the universe to make those predictions, but can it make predictions with staggering accuracy to the trillionith of a part? Yes. Like said, in terms of physical universe, modern science has mapped a large percentage of it out.
As for going beyond the physical universe the Yogic sciences have mastered this to a high level, comparable to how modern science has mapped the physical universe. Even modern science is now beginning to advance in these areas such as with consciousness studies, transpersonal psychology, neurophenomenology and studies into biofeedback mechanisms.
My point is modern science will eventually be able to explain absolutely everything about matter, mind, consciousness, god etc. There is absolutely no need for faith in our scientific world.[/QUOTE]
UUUUUUHHHHHHH OK, lol
[QUOTE=YogiAdam;37490]ABSOLUTE RUBBISH! We have mountains of evidence for how life is possible and how it has evolved. There is no shortage evidence to explain how life came into being and evolved. However, unfortunately, you need to close the ‘spirituality’ books, and open up the science books. Try it, you’ll be amazed at what we’ve discovered.[/QUOTE]
You chose a very small part of what I wrote, why can we not predict the wind? got to 2ndlight.com and ask how accurate science is at predicting the wind, there are many surfers/scientists there who study weather.
[QUOTE=Brother Neil;37502]UUUUUUHHHHHHH OK, lol[/QUOTE]
Faith is for the feeble minded, IMO.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;37505]Faith is for the feeble minded, IMO.[/QUOTE]
good thing your opinion dont matter to me