What's Samadhi for?

Mindfulness Meditation
#26

I am afraid all the major Yoga masters, the authorative Yoga texts, my own experiences and arguments from logic support what I am saying. Even the text Pradipika Siva mentioned to counter me supports what I am saying. It is obvious what I am saying here is right. In the end if I am right, you’re not mediating properly and will go on for years doing the same thing and get pretty much nowhere. So as I said it is either your loss or your gain.

The readers here can make up their own mind. Some will see merit in what I am saying and some will not. I am not saying all of this to convince, but to simply put the right information out there. I am afraid in my opinion, it is not me who is misleading anybody, but it is you by telling them to go sit in a corner, close their eyes and daydream and call that meditation. I have come across countless people who have been doing that for years and they are nowhere in their practice. Many give up meditation in frustration because they never get anywhere. Others turn meditation into a faith and act holy and spiritual, when in fact the reality is they are just as ordinary as everybody else.

If that is true, then Dhyana (meditation) would not be referred to as one of the limbs of yoga - it would be simply referred to as ‘something which happens’.
The meditation YOU are referring to is actually called Samadhi - but even then it is not ‘something which happens’. It is a state of awareness, and must be gradually cultivated. It too is one of the 8 limbs, and therefore is also not a final ‘something’: there are varying degrees of Samadhi, and until you have experienced them you would be better off not lecturing people as an authority. You may find yourself speaking to someone who has had direct experience of them, like myself.

You are speaking mostly from ignorance.

Awareness training is not Samadhi. If that was true I would be in Samadhi by simply reading a book, watching television, or writing this post. Awareness is part of the niyama santosha. It is a pre-meditation exercise which we inculcate in our daily life in order to prime our mind to make it fit for higher Yoga practice. This is why in the Yoga tradition the first few years of training did not involve any meditation, pranayama or even asana, but was about doing basic everyday chores with awareness.

Patanjali gave a sequence in order of the Samkhya cosmology. The first is the wordly part(yama and niyama) Then there is the physical body(asana) Then there is the energy body(pranayama) then the mental body(dharana) then the causal body(dhyana) and spiritual body(samadhi) Hinduism is all based on sequences and order of things. It is the same in the stages in life called the ashrams: student, household, forest-dweller and renunciant. It is also the same in society: labourer, merchant, admin and sage. The same in terms of worlds: physical plane, mental plane, spiritual plane.

The trouble with you is you want to run before you can walk. Good luck.

NO. asana is not more important than yama and niyama. I have met many people (including many yoga teachers) who practice asana very nicely, but have no awareness of, nor application of, the yama and niyama in their life. It’s not pretty.

Well, there you go then. They are not doing the proper practice, which includes Yogic lifestyle and diet as a preliminary. The results are they will not get the higher benefits of Yoga. Their loss.

This is total nonsense. There have been many enlightened masters who work amongst us as normal people. I have the privilege of knowing one, and he works harder than anyone I’ve ever met, has a 4 kids, and pays his bills.

Never heard of him. Can he levitate, have healing powers, transmit his consciousness into you, appear in many places at once? No? Then he is not enlightened.

I think we should use a bit of logic here. If meditation and yoga as its being practiced today works then where are all of those enlightened masters with their siddhis? hundreds of millions of people in the world are doing meditation and Yoga and yet everywhere I look I see ordinary people. The truth is, hundreds of millions of people are not doing Yoga and meditation properly(In fact they are not doing it at all) The science has been lost.

In fact forget the practice you need to go right to the basics and begin with theory. You clearly do not understand the theory.

#27

Surya,

I wasn’t countering with the Pradipika as you say, only that you named Patanjali as its author(ity) and that it was “He” who gave us the official, linear, sequence. Just an oversight, perhaps. I had hoped a little detail like that might help you see that the rishis and sages themselves were plain “folk:” people with families and jobs just like us, but who were unmistakably connected to a very strong vibration and were able to share techniques for cultivating that connection.

The sad thing is, you make yoga so lofty, so grandiose, who would want to try. My way or the highway huh? Isn’t just a little yoga a good thing, a little meditation? Do I have to achieve samadhi, or can I do what I can? Or am I just wasting my time because I am not doing it as you? I can see your meditation and your one experience of pratyahara serve you well.

Please post any “authoritative text” you have that says pratyahara is the withdrawl of prana from the sense organs. I don’t know if withdrawing the vital life force from anything is anything I would want to do, but I could be wrong.

I wish you well.

peace,
siva

#28

Surya Deva,

I wish you luck, and every success. It appears that you don’t need it, but all the same, my wish for you is so.

I won’t bother replying to the whole of your text as I did before, because I think that I would be wasting my time.
But I will just say this:
Your reference to Siddhis betrays you. Every serious student of yoga who has learnt from a teacher that knows what they are speaking of, understands that siddhis are not a sign of progress; rather, they are something to be avoided.
You would find a teacher who shows themself as ‘great’.
I would run a mile.

But, to each his own. Good luck on your path, I wish you peace and untold joy.

With love,
Ben

#29

Dear Siva,

Yoga is indeed the most lofty thing you will ever do, and you should only do it when you are ready to commit to it. It is the highest science and the results of the practice will transform you into a god. There is no higher accomplishment than this in the world.
If you think wordly things are important at this stage then you have not developed the dispassion necessary to start Yoga. You must first work through your wordly desires.
Yoga is not something you can do in bits and parts. It is a very serious spiritual path and commitment. If you are going to do it you either dedicate yourself completely or don't do it at all. However, if you still have strong wordly desires, you will find it hard to dedicate yourself.

It is okay if you want to practice the lower stages without commiting yet it will do no harm to practice awareness, concentration exercises(like tratika) vegetarianism, asana and pranayama. In fact it will do a great deal of good. But you can't do meditation. Meditation will happen. I will quote Swami Satyananda:

In Yoga we believe that meditation cannot be taught. Meditation also cannot be practiced. It is an event, a happening, a state of being and
becoming. Without the mastery of pratyhara it is impossible to induce dharana
(Swami Satyananda, Sure Ways to Self realisation, pp.73-74)

All that Yoga and tantra can do is arm you with practices whereby you can reach pratyhara and then commence dharana. If you are starting dharana without reaching pratyhara then you are not meditating.

I am saying this very honestly because I have experienced pratyhara myself I know how unmistakable it is. I have observed how the process works many times when I've experienced it and watched how the senses withdraw during sleep. It always happens after a complete sensory black-out and immediately visions start coming. I am not an expert in Yoga but I do know the basics very well and have done my own experiments and studies. I know how it works. So I am in a position to share it with you.

Swami Yogananda talks about withdrawing the prana from the sense organs in many of his discourses. There is also talk about it here:

Withdrawal of Prana or Prana Pratyahara
Control of our senses requires mastery over the flow of prana, as that is what drives the senses. To stop the scattering of valuable vital energy of the body or prana, we need to seek control over its flow, and harmonize it. This is done through various practices including bringing the entire focus to a single point in the body [5].

Withdrawing prana is not as dangerous as it sounds. It happens anyway when you go to sleep the prana withdraws from your senses, then into your mind, then into your consciousness. The same happens during death.

#30

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;32530]I’ve been meditating for quite a long time, but am quite new to Yoga. I was wondering what being in a state of Samadhi was for. I remember a couple of reputable Tibetan Buddhist meditators saying that sitting in a state of bliss might be nice, but it’s virtually useless. Meditation is to stable the mind and eliminate negative ways of thinking. So what is the point of Samadhi? What benefit does it actually have, and why is it so valued in Yoga?[/QUOTE]
well you could ask what eating is for, what is surfing for, what is sex for and on and on. If you can reach a state of samadhi while sitting, maybe you can bring it off the matt so to speak and have it throughout the day? So the tibetan buddhist say it is virtually useless, feeling good is useless?

#31

Hey guys, just so you know, My yoga mat is bigger then yours LOL

#32

Your reference to Siddhis betrays you. Every serious student of yoga who has learnt from a teacher that knows what they are speaking of, understands that siddhis are not a sign of progress; rather, they are something to be avoided.
You would find a teacher who shows themself as ‘great’.
I would run a mile.

Siddhis are not the goal of Yoga. However, Siddhis are the signs you have reached certain level of consciousness. If you have not reached those levels and you appoint yourself as guru, then not only are you lying to yourself, you are are lying to others. A guru is somebody who has reached that summits of Yoga. Only then can he/she take on disciples.

The false gurus out there will frown when you talk about siddhis because they don’t have any themselves. A true guru would not hestitate to show you siddhis. Jesus, Buddha, Guru Nanak, Babaji did not hestitate either. I would not accept anybody as my guru who could not demonstrate that they reached the high levels. If they do not have siddhis they will not be able to look into my mind and help me resolve my karmas, they will not be able to give me shaktipat and awaken my kundalini.

There is a massive difference between a a guru and a teacher.

One thing I want to make very clear realised yogis and risis are not ordinary people. They are superhuman, gods even. You will be very blessed to be in their presence. When they grace our Earth we look upon them as gods. They are the real role models of humanity. We are but children before them.

#33

[QUOTE=Brother Neil;32810]So the tibetan buddhist say it is virtually useless, feeling good is useless?[/QUOTE]

No, you’ve missed the point. Feeling good is not useless. Feeling a temporary bliss that does not have any impact on the development of your good human qualities is useless. It just like a high someone might get from shopping. It comes and goes and had left zero change to you as an individual.

#34

Are you sure that the Buddhists say that samahdi is virtually useless,where do they say this , my as usual, limited understanding was that buddhists say not to get to caught up in samahdi , or rather not to think that attainment of samahdi is attainment as it were. Bliss joy and contentment are not useless but of course they like the samahdi are a temporary state ,we perhaps should not go chasing after samahdi its not the main event.

#35

Vajrayana utilizes the bliss. Mahayana utilizes the Bliss. Utilize the Bliss!!!

Patanjali says: Don’t get wrapped up in the bliss.

Bliss is ever present if the self is uncovered.

#36

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;32814]No, you’ve missed the point. Feeling good is not useless. Feeling a temporary bliss that does not have any impact on the development of your good human qualities is useless. It just like a high someone might get from shopping. It comes and goes and had left zero change to you as an individual.[/QUOTE]
well if you get some useless bliss you dont want, send it my way please:) I see what your saying though. many say the point is to find that which is unchanging.
best to you
Brother Neil

#37

Hi YogiAdam,

Actually I would say, based on my own(meditation) experience.that the bliss is indicative of pure/purified & rareified consciousness.Out of this witness state or inner silence, behaviour becomes morally self-regulating and self-regulated. It can also happen when we use a practice called Samyama ,by some, which makes use of the inner silence cultivated by deep forms of mantra meditation. And it is alleged this practice can cultivate siddhis. I have heard it compared to prayer.It basically makes use of sutras dropped into our inner silence.And it maybe what Patnjali referred to in ch.3.Theoretically it could be explained like introducing quantum vibrations(beyond mind),or sutras, that might manifest say externally- they are beyond the comprehension of the mind say… I don’t think i experienced the siddhis [I]then[/I],. but i think i’ve had maybeglimpses of it in the past.So i’ve got a rough idea.It was almost like a superawareness i felt somewhat compelled to conceal.

If you’ve been using an effective meditation technique or system then you were practicing yoga, although it’s just a word…Bliss is supermely useful and should’nt just be ephemeral.

The proof is in the pudding.Rather than take people’s word for it.Many texts describe bliss as charcterising pure consciousness,sat-chi-ananda.One technique i know of is Deep Meditation from a site called aypsite.org.I don’t (really) follow that system anymore but it’s one in the tool-box ,as it were, and will cultivate the bliss you speak of.The Tibetan Meditatiors; I’m not particularly up in Tibetan yoga but they have a rich heritage which it is thought to have evolved certainly to some degree separately from that on the Indian sub-contiinent, partly to do with reasons of culture and geography, i am led to believe.

[B]OP[/B]

I’ve been meditating for quite a long time, but am quite new to Yoga. I was wondering what being in a state of Samadhi was for. I remember a couple of reputable Tibetan Buddhist meditators saying that sitting in a state of bliss might be nice, but it’s virtually useless. Meditation is to stable the mind and eliminate negative ways of thinking. So what is the point of Samadhi? What benefit does it actually have, and why is it so valued in Yoga?
Ok–Meditation is to expand Consciousnness, a little bit or all the way.A very worthy and noble project, in my view.You are actually involving your (Higher) Self in the global effort to raise cosmic vibrations to another level.

It’s spiritual or cosmic evolution. It would seem to be an authentic kind.

#38

[QUOTE=InnerAthlete;32743]Beware the man of one book.
St. Thomas Aquinas[/QUOTE]
Can you please elaborate on this?

#39

Surya,
I agree with you here, but do you understand what this means to those who are only curious about yoga? Who are just beginning to open their hearts and minds to yoga as you once did? So many who are reading this today? So tenderly, like newborn infants, the light just beginning to dawn and you would scream this into a baby’s ear? Blow it out! No?

I agree, and know, that yoga holds all of this potential, 100%, but if you assert to people, so strongly, that yoga is about transforming yourself into a “god,” would it not tend only to cause doubt and confusion for many, perhaps even justify a healthy sense of disrespect, those who are not yet out of the gate? This is what leads many to believe that yoga is “a pursuit for perfection”, drives people away from yoga as something that is impossible, and hypocritical, and that is my greatest concern here, certainly not to argue with someone who is obviously so extremely knowledgeable as yourself. Your knowledge, your gift, is not only immature, it’s wasted, irresponsibly.

More of the same. Does this inspire anyone out there? Help me out here folks.

Is this not self-contradictory? Are you now retracting previous statements?

We are elated for you, but why is it not obvious to us?

Please post even one quote from his text that supports this.

[quote=Surya Deva;32809] There is also talk about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratyahara[/quote] Is this a joke? Wiki? Would you equate this with “withdrawing prana?” Who authored this? Do we know?

[I]“To stop the scattering of valuable vital energy of the body or prana, we need to seek control over its flow, and harmonize it.”[/I]

This is most likely true. Maybe it’s just semantic, but focus and control of prana, to me, do not equate withdrawl, and this is exactly why.

And not to go on and on, but back to a previous misinterpretation, the Pradipika, as I understand it and was also taught, does not outline the eight limbs of yoga as a linear sequence because it’s literally the only way one graduates to samadhi, but rather in order from more gross to more subtle, which is most “logical.” This is a common misinterpretation and why, for example, some say yoga practice is to be performed only in the order of asana, pranayama and then meditation: from gross to subtle, which is good, but not necessary. Meditation can “happen” anywhere. Pranayama can be performed before asana, etc. This is clearly only a book-learned understanding of yoga and life that leaves me cold: extremely rigid, unpractical, out of touch.

This has been a very interesting discussion, but it’s a downward spiral that will eventually hit bottom: the end of knowledge. But then, there will be light, a new dawn, and some will revisit all of this on the way back up, laugh about it, and love the journey.
See you then,
siva

#40

Siva, I am not here to convert people to Yoga. I understand as soon as people know the truth about what Yoga is few people will try it. Yoga is a Hindu practice based on the sole aim to reach self-realization and become a god(this is what it means to enter into union with the divine) It is a very serious spiritual path only for people who are ready to take the path.

I understand those people who are trying to market Yoga to the West are going to really disprove of my honesty but they are ultimately misleading the West by marketing Yoga as a stress buster, physical relaxation, muscle toning and weight loss program. Sure, it gets the Secularists, Christians and Muslims doing Yoga and sure it makes them more spiritual and I am glad for them, but what they do not realise they is that they are practicing Hinduism and will gradually become Hindu the deeper they go into their Yoga practice. It is actually great if they do become Hindu, if the world becomes Hindu we will have a much more enlightened world. However, I do not believe in deception, nobody should be deceived into becoming a Hindu. They need to be told from the outset what they are getting themselves involved in, what is the history, cultural context and philosophy of Yoga so they can make an informed decision.

Is this not self-contradictory? Are you now retracting previous statements?

No, because my statement was that one is not practicing meditation unless they reach pratyhara. You can do the previous steps if you want, I mean why not? They will do a great deal of good and prepare you for meditation. I am not here to tell people what to do or what not to do. I am simply telling the truth that the practice they call meditation is not meditation and they are wasting their time. Instead, I am telling them the truth that if they want to go to the advanced stages of Yoga(meditation) that they will need to first master the prelimary stages which they can do at their own pace.

One thing is very clear though Yoga is a very serious spiritual path and does require dedication. The more intense your practice the faster you will reach the goal of becoming a god. At this moment I am like you and others, I do not have an intense practice, I do whatever I can which obviously makes some difference, but at the end of the year I am going to India to find a master and then completely dedicate myself to his Yoga. Then I will have a very intense practice. I am very serious about spirituality.

If you indeed are reaching pratyhara by “meditation” you are doing right now just ignore what I am saying. However, if you are not reaching it, then you would be wise to listen to my advice. It is unmistakeable you will experience a complete black out of the senses and experience very vivid visions. If you’ve had this experience then whatever you are doing is working. If you’re not had this experience or barely have had it, then whatever you are doing is not working and you need to do something different.

Mental training is just like any other other training. You need to monitor your progress constantly and measure your gains.

To lighten things up and make Yoga sound a bit ridiculous. Yoga is training to become a superhuman god-like being with superpowers :smiley:

#41

Good lord almighty there is so much wrong in here I don’t know where to start. Lets start at the beginning.

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;32912]Siva, I am not here to convert people to Yoga. I understand as soon as people know the truth about what Yoga is few people will try it.

Yoga is a Hindu practice based on the sole aim to reach self-realization and become a god(this is what it means to enter into union with the divine) It is a very serious spiritual path only for people who are ready to take the path.

[B]Yoga is not a “Hindu” practice. Many “Hindus” don’t practice the yoga.

You can consider yourself “hindu” and not practice yoga.

Before there even was a name called “India” there were beings practicing yoga all over Gods creation since time began. [/B]

I understand those people who are trying to market Yoga to the West are going to really disprove of my honesty but they are ultimately misleading the West by marketing Yoga as a stress buster, physical relaxation, muscle toning and weight loss program. Sure, it gets the Secularists, Christians and Muslims doing Yoga and sure it makes them more spiritual and I am glad for them, but what they do not realise they is that they are practicing Hinduism and will gradually become Hindu the deeper they go into their Yoga practice.

T[B]hey will gradually come to the truth not practice “Hinduism”[/B]

It is actually great if they do become Hindu, if the world becomes Hindu we will have a much more enlightened world.

[B]It would actually be great if everyone practied yoga we would have a much more enlightened world
[/B]

However, I do not believe in deception, nobody should be deceived into becoming a Hindu. They need to be told from the outset what they are getting themselves involved in, what is the history, cultural context and philosophy of Yoga so they can make an informed decision.

[B]There you go again.[/B]

No, because my statement was that one is not practicing meditation unless they reach pratyhara.

[B]Depends on your definition of meditation. You can use lower mind system to engender qualities -through habituation of the object. [/B]

You can do the previous steps if you want, I mean why not? They will do a great deal of good and prepare you for meditation. I am not here to tell people what to do or what not to do. I am simply telling the truth that the practice they call meditation is not meditation and they are wasting their time.

[B]They are not wasting their time. Don’t be so hoity toity. I.e. Vain. Tedious. Arrogant. [/B]

Instead, I am telling them the truth that if they want to go to the advanced stages of Yoga(meditation) that they will need to first master the prelimary stages which they can do at their own pace.

[B]Preposterous. They don’t have to master lower branches to enter meditation. They don’t have to master all the asanas, all the kumbhakas, all the bandhas and mudras to get the mind into meditation. [/B]

One thing is very clear though Yoga is a very serious spiritual path and does require dedication. The more intense your practice the faster you will reach the goal of becoming a god.

[B]BECOMMING A GOD!!! LOL. Now Indra may disagree but I think being a yogi is better than being a deva. How can Indra help those who need it if he’s stuck in a heavenly abode? Hmmm? [/B]

At this moment I am like you and others, I do not have an intense practice, I do whatever I can which obviously makes some difference, but at the end of the year I am going to India to find a master and then completely dedicate myself to his Yoga. Then I will have a very intense practice. I am very serious about spirituality.

If you indeed are reaching pratyhara by “meditation” you are doing right now just ignore what I am saying. However, if you are not reaching it, then you would be wise to listen to my advice. It is unmistakeable you will experience a complete black out of the senses and experience very vivid visions.

[B]You do not know of what you speak… Stop playing.[/B]

If you’ve had this experience then whatever you are doing is working. If you’re not had this experience or barely have had it, then whatever you are doing is not working and you need to do something different.

Mental training is just like any other other training. You need to monitor your progress constantly and measure your gains.

[I]To lighten things up and make Yoga sound a bit ridiculous. Yoga is training to become a superhuman god-like being with superpowers [/I]

[B]If thats your goal. You go onto it then. [/B]

:D[/QUOTE]

#42

You can take Yoga out of Hinduism but you cannot take Hinduism out of Yoga. They are inextricably linked. First and foremost Yoga is a Sanskrit word and Sanskrit is the spiritual language of Hinduism. Secondly, Yoga is developed in Hindu India. The word Hindu refers to the way of life of the people of the Indus. Thirdly, the entire philosophy of yoga is about reaching self-realization and realising atman and braman. This the core doctrine of all Hindu scriptures(Vedas, Upanishads, Gita, Yoga Vasistha, Yogasutras, tantras). Fourthly, the most reverred scriptures of Hindus, the Bhagvad Gita, is a treatise on Yoga and lord Krishna is known as the lord of Yoga. Fifthly, Yoga is also inextricably linked with other Hindu concepts karma, dharma, reincarnation, moksha.

I mean who you are kidding by saying Yoga is not Hindu. It is definitely Hindu. It does not matter if it was being practiced all over creation since the beginning of time. It is still Hindu which is the religion of eternal laws(santana dharma) Yogs is as much Hindu as capitalism is Western.

#43

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;32925]You can take Yoga out of Hinduism but you cannot take Hinduism out of Yoga. They are inextricably linked. First and foremost Yoga is a Sanskrit word and Sanskrit is the spiritual language of Hinduism. Secondly, Yoga is developed in Hindu India. The word Hindu refers to the way of life of the people of the Indus. Thirdly, the entire philosophy of yoga is about reaching self-realization and realising atman and braman. This the core doctrine of all Hindu scriptures(Vedas, Upanishads, Gita, Yoga Vasistha, Yogasutras, tantras. Fourthly, the most reverred scriptures of Hindus, the Bhagvad Gita, is a treatise on Yoga. Fifthly, Yoga is also inextricably linked with other Hindu concepts karma, dharma, reincarnation, moksha.

I mean who you are kidding by saying Yoga is not Hindu. It is definitely Hindu. It does not matter if it was being practiced all over creation since the beginning of time. It is still Hindu which is the religion of eternal laws(santana dharma)[/QUOTE]

It’s yoga. not Hinduism.

Buddhists practice yoga.

Taoist have thier yogas.

Beings in other galaxies have their yoga.

Its called yoga, or whatever they call it. They don’t call it hinduism.

Lol.

Buelller?

Bueller? I’m gonna go do some hinduism!

karma? Just a word to describe truth. How bout that?

Moksah? Just a word to describe truth.

dhama? Just a word to describe truth.

Truth? Just a word to describe truth.

Maya. Just a word…

To insinuate that Hindus made yoga is RETARDED.

They give it names.

I have nothing against Hindus. In fact some time ago I was considered “Hindu” Ahem…

Vedanta is simply a study of what is. They give it all kinds of names.

Taoism is simply a study of what is. They give it all kinds of names.

But to claim Hindu means yoga or that they are synonomous is preposterous.

You didn’t address my points. I’ll have you know. I got my eye on you.

You keep stepping out of line and I’ll be on you like stink on a skunk.

You got lots of learning. Get rid of all this learning. Too much pride at all your “Knowledge” Blinds you it does!!!

I love you.

#44

Surya Deva
[I]This is my last post to you. If you don’t listen to what I write now, I really won’t bother trying to help you again.[/I]

[B]Here is [U]why[/U] you should listen to me:[/B]

  • I have been studying yoga seriously, daily, diligently, (not like you, as you admit, “I do not have an intense practice”) for almost 20 years!
  • I have been a teacher of yoga - [B]full time[/B] - for over 10 years, and must have taught 10,000 students on almost every continent.
  • I am qualified as a teacher to the highest degree in one of the most widely respected lineages, with the title Acharya, which means master.
  • I have studied Sanskrit, many of the yogic scriptures, and in depth theory of all aspects of yoga, including Bhakti, Jnana, Hatha, Raja, Karma yoga.
  • My experiences include meditation for extensive periods of time without breathing.

[B]Here is [U]the only thing I want to convey to you[/U], the rest is unimportant:[/B]

Don’t go to India looking for a Guru with Siddhis. Please don’t. You are setting yourself up for a big fall my friend. Any ‘Guru’ who displays Siddhis for the sake of attracting a disciple or student is nothing but a charlatan. You will waste time and energy. Now, that may be your destiny, in which case you will not listen to me, you will go to India, and you will find your ‘Guru’, for sure. You will then learn the hard way. If you want to waste this lifetime on that path, it’s so very easy…

I wonder if you will finally listen to some sense now…

#45

There is a place for display of siddhis.

Let him fulfill his desire!