What's Samadhi for?

Mindfulness Meditation
#88

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;33169]It’s actually a lack of belief… unless you call ‘not believing in unicorns’ a belief. You could also call ‘not collecting stamps’ a hobby while your at it, or you could call ‘bald’, a hair colour.[/QUOTE]

This is complete rubbish you have many beliefs, and I can point them all out.

You believe other minds exist: You only have evidence for your own mind through your 6th sense of mind. You have no evidence that the bodies of people have minds. You simply believe it(A famous argument by Betrand Russel)

You believe there is an independent world out there for you play in. However, there would be no world out there if you were not conscious to perceive it. You simply believe it is independent of your consciousness(A famous argument by Edmund husserl known as the “natural assumption”)

You believe your mind is caused by your brain. How do you know this? You don’t. You simply believe it. Philosophers of mind have not been able to prove the brain causes the mind and call it the hard problem of consciousness(a problem coined by the famous philosopher of mind David Chalmers)

You believe the all of reality is made of out physical matter. Then how do you explain what mind is made of? It is not reducible to any physical matter. Do we just pretend it does not exist?

You believe in empiricism. You believe this is the only right way of collecting knowledge. When there are so many other ways of collecting knowledge(qualitative research methods and rational methods)

The technical names for some your beliefs are: realism, materialism and epiphenomenalism and empiricism.

You assert your beliefs as if they are the truth. So you are also guilty of dogma.

#89

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;33170]AAAAAAHHHHHAHAHAHAHAH!!! That’s hilarious!! I dare you to use this as a pick up line!!! I dare you to tell everyone you meet this!! Thank you so much. I haven’t laughed so hard in a long time.:grin::grin::grin:[/QUOTE]

I find it rather sad. Because its not a joke. Thinking about causes leading to such statements and its consequences in life seems to me bit sad :frowning:

#90

I suppose your right. I used to be a support worker for people with chronic Schizophrenia, so I should be a bit more sensitive to issues like this.

#91

[QUOTE=Hubert;33172]Are you talking about Big Bang ? Even a provincial physics teacher will tell you that it’s a [B]theory[/B], and not [B]The Truth[/B].

It’s just something you like to [B]beleive in, [/B]as it’s the main fashion of thought these days.[/quote]

Thanks Hubert. Yep, and that is indeed another belief, believing that theories are the truth. There are so many different theories in physics, which one is exactly the truth? Classical physics? Quantum mechanics?(multiple world theory, copenhagen interpretation) String Theory, holographic theory.

I love it when materialists claim they have no beliefs lol

#92

And this does not automatically prove that they are all wrong. It might mean that our intellect fails in unifying them in a manner where all their truths fit unharmed and still make sense on a higher scale. Which I like to beliveve is the case. If only we’d be better prepared to admit the limits of our intellect, than we might find sooner ways to push these limits out.

PS. Sorry for being too defensive. I am a christian. I often see persecution where there is none. Which makes me wonder about jews. They really must have a hard time.

#93

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;33175]I suppose your right. I used to be a support worker for people with chronic Schizophrenia, so I should be a bit more sensitive to issues like this.[/QUOTE]

And there you have it violence against another person because their viewpoint does not conform to your own. What you said above is no different to the Christians first landing in the pagan lands and feeling sympathy for them because they did not know the “truth”. And you say you are not a religious believer and have no faith? :wink: You are full of it mate. You are just as dogmatic, faithful and condescending as the Christians you love to hate

#94

Yes, I am sorry to confirm this as a christian. You non-christian guys are pretty much fubared, lol.

Come on, it’s not this simple. :slight_smile:

#95

[QUOTE=Hubert;33179]Yes, I am sorry to confirm this as a christian. You non-christian guys are pretty much fubared, lol.

Come on, it’s not this simple. :)[/QUOTE]

:stuck_out_tongue:

Yeah, fortunately many modern Chrisitians do not think like this. It is still a big dogma in orthodox Catholic Christianity though.

#96

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;33178]And there you have it violence against another person because their viewpoint does not conform to your own.[/QUOTE]

violence

Pronunciation:/ˈvʌɪəl(ə)ns/
noun
[mass noun]
1 behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something

There you go. A free english lesson :smiley:

#97

[QUOTE=YogiAdam;33184]violence

Pronunciation:/ˈvʌɪəl(ə)ns/
noun
[mass noun]
1 behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something

There you go. A free english lesson :D[/QUOTE]

There is something called mental violence where one abuses somebody verbally designed to hurt or damage them. Don’t worry, I am not so fragile, to be hurt by your attempt at violence against me :smiley: I just find it hilarious though how much it exposes your religious tendencies.

It is said that if you dislike something it reflects something about you. Your dislike for religion(mainly Christianity) is your own dislike for your own religious tendencies :wink:

#98

Three very common traits of a religious believer

  1. Intolerance. Intolerance for contrary beliefs. This often leads to verbal or physical violence.
  2. Irrationality. A refusal to consider or look at any evidence or arguments which contradict ones beliefs
  3. Dogma. The belief that ones beliefs are right and self-evident. They are not open to any kind of questioning.

You fit the bill dawg :wink: So does Pawel, but Pawel openly accepts he is religious and wants to keep religion and science apart forever(typical catholic lol) You on the other hand pretend you are not, when your actions speak volumes to the contrary.

#99

Yeah, fortunately many modern Chrisitians do not think like this. It is still a big dogma in orthodox Catholic Christianity though.[/quote]

And I too do believe it’s true. Just that to comprehend it one needs to raise his spirit above religious, national or geographical apartenance. And one needs more than eastern wisdom. The universality of the christian message does not mean that christians are better than non-christians. There should be no difference between a true human being and a true christian. There should be no difference between a true human being and a true yogi. But this does not make yoga and christianity equal. It does not make any of them better than the other. It definitley does not make one of them true and the other one false.

Rather, both are true, down to the last sentence. Yes. How can that be ? Now this is what all of us should be concerned with.

#100

[QUOTE=Hubert;33191]And I too do believe it’s true. Just that to comprehend it one needs to raise his spirit above religious, national or geographical apartenance. And one needs more than eastern wisdom. The universality of the christian message does not mean that christians are better than non-christians. There should be no difference between a true human being and a true christian. There should be no difference between a true human being and a true yogi. But this does not make yoga and christianity equal. It does not make any of them better than the other. It definitley does not make one of them true and the other one false.

Rather, both are true, down to the last sentence. Yes. How can that be ? Now this is what all of us should be concerned with.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the science of spirituality and the universal truths has remained the same. Throughout the ages various masters have instructed humanity in this science the Vedic Risis, Krishna, Mahavira, Buddha, Lao-Tzu, Shankara, Confuscius, Shamans, Druids, Jesus, Babaji, Guru Nanak, Kabir, Ramakrishna, Yogananda, Ramana Maharishi and countless mystics and sages.

The problem starts with the natural human tendency for secetarianism where they want to believe either one of them is more right than the other and their path is more right than the other. As is the case with so many misguided Christians who think Jesus is the only way and simply accepting him as their lord and saviour is enough for salvation. When humans begin to care more about the author than the actual message that is when they go astray.

The message is simple you can be just as great as these masters if you awaken the potentials within you through spiritual practice(some form of Yoga)

#101

There’s a first…100…lol:D

Looks like i was mistaken …i just noticed the christianity thread. And i seem to recall the marjuana & yoga thread had a lot of reads on it too.Zzzzzzzzzzzz

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#102

Surya Deva,

You’re definitely a jnana yogi to fear.Very powerful,yes.

#103

The problem starts with the natural human tendency for secetarianism where they want to believe either one of them is more right than the other and their path is more right than the other. As is the case with so many misguided Christians who think Jesus is the only way and simply accepting him as their lord and saviour is enough for salvation. When humans begin to care more about the author than the actual message that is when they go astray.
This seems to be the major problem with religion.You seemed to cover some of the main points beautifullly & logically…lol. Intoleraance to other’s viewpoints,dogma and so on.

#104

[QUOTE=core789;33204]Surya Deva,

You’re definitely a jnana yogi to fear.Very powerful,yes.[/QUOTE]

lol Classic!:smiley:

#105

Lol…:roll: :roll:

Good to battle it out with the best of them…

#106

Thanks core789 :smiley:

I am ready to leave jnana yoga now. I have become sick of reading books and intellectualizing now. I have been doing for that 10 years. Do you think Jnana yoga can lead to enlightenment or only just show the way to Yoga? I am finding that it has only shown me the way to Yoga. I understand the theory right from the atom to Brahman. But now I want actual direct experience.

#107

Sounds like yogic spiritual science is indeed is the perfect antidote to the overly rational thinking mind. Particularly if you are or have been an academic, and especially western philosophy and it’s quagmire.

You sound right on track.

Yes i think jnana yoga could but highly unlikely for most people especially a westerner . I think your trainings in jnana have served you really wel to look further.

I f you stayed at my house for 3 months it’s possible i might be able to teach you alot.

You are lookiing right at tne end of upir nose, right just where you should be. Alot of folk live in their mind, to their own detriment or limitation. The do no realise their full potentiality and possibility because the thinking mind is always evaluating and wants to play along with those games. As you know this gets in the way of pure consciousness and a relaxed state which is like the bed for transfromations in yoga.There is also a lotf conditioning that stops folk from praciticcing yoga & returning to our natural state.Our brains and our consciousness could be expanding faster thn they are but for some reason a whole host of things gets in the way and we allow that to happen on a daily basis.Like you say it is tapping into a faster rate of evolution that can be done on a daily basis systematically using every available means and gradually. It is very exciting.

It is not even that difificult once you know how. Once you’re armed with the requisite knowledge and some experience. Some dediciation and setting up new habits are followed.