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#121

The Paramitas are practices each having its own definitions outer, inner and secret meanings.

  1. Giving/Generosity.
  2. Virtue.
  3. Patience.
  4. Vigor.
  5. Meditative development.
  6. Wisdom.

All work together. The essentials.

There are adepts from every system: Why? All same. Just different approaches.

Milarepa. Marpa. Naropa. Tilopa. Bodhidharama. Gautama Buddha. Padmasambhava/Guru Rinpoche. Hakuin and countless others. …

Gorakshanath, Matsyendranth, Lahiri Mahasaya, Babaji Maharaj, Yuketswar, and countless others…

The Christ and so on…

The Jain guy. . . the naked dude. and countless others. …

The sufis . . . and their countless adepts.

Materialism pervades. SOme say we are in kali yuga. Dark times. Science of materialism prevails. Science of spirt declining.

There are heros around. Maybe you’ll meet one. Doesn’t have to be hindu to be an adept.

You could say. Oh well they practice yoga which makes them Hindu.

I say no. They can practice yoga and be christian, or muslem, or whatever they want to be. As is illustrated by the countless adepts from every system.

You don’t have to be introduced to Vishnu, Brahma, and so on… No need for divine mother, shiva shakti, all the ritual and ceremony.

The end transcends all this, beyond name and form. Truth. Who cares what you call it?

law of karma.

Liberation / Nirvana.

The Benefits of Virtue.

The composition of the bodies.

The names of the Devas.

The modes of nature.

Brahman and All the many names.

Samkhya. Abhidharma or whatever.

Just names. Always there. Universal.

and as I said. Clearing nadis, understanding the chakras, and energies, and all this has nothing to do with the outer forms of religious expression.

I WHOOPED YOU AGAIN!!! This is getting to be a regular occurrence. Ok I’m done for now.

I really do appreciate your insights into the Akashik records so thank you very much for your practice of Karma yoga… :slight_smile:

You’ve helped me a great deal.

#122

You could say. Oh well they practice yoga which makes them Hindu.

Yep. If you do Yoga eventually you will become Hindu. I have seen it time and time again with Christians, Muslims and Atheists. They eventually validate for themselves through the practice all the truths of Hinduism. Look at how quickly Hinduism is spreading in America? Does this have anything to do with 20 million Americans practicing Yoga? Yes, it does.

However if you are going to do Yoga do it properly and in proper order. Meditating without first cultivating your pranic system is just a waste of time.

#123

All same you stubborn wall of stone.

LOL

#124

I will say this though . . . all religions as far as I understand owe their heritage to . . .

Shiavism.

Notice I didn’t say Hinduism.

Now you will probablly say Shiavism is Hinduism.

From Danielou and I quote…

“The Vedas, the texts of the Aryan invaders, fulminate against worshipers of the phallus and the forms of the shaivite cult. More than 2,000 years were required before the religion of SHiva, which remained the religion of the indian people, was tolerated and then integrated into brahmanism. Today, Shaivite concepts of spiritual life and shaivite yoga techniques are once more considered in Hinduism as the highest forms of religion and thought. In monastic life, the highest degree of initiations are always Shaivite in character, as is the case in Mahayana Buddhism and even Islamic sufism, which derived from it. Only Christianity, by means of inquisition, excommunication, and horrible massacres, eliminated all the sects that preserved the secret of knowledge. Thus deprived of its soul, it allowed the incoherent developments which are now leading mankind to destruction.
The data given by the Puranas on the religion, philosophy, rites, and holy places of Shaivism have been confirmed by archeological research into the period that can be termed Indian Proto History, running from the sixth millennium before our era up to the birth of Buddhism, in the Fifth century B.C. The Sacred places mentioned are often difficult to identify, although usually they have been preserved by later religions, as for example Mecca (Sanskrit: Makheshvara), whose “black stone,” mentioned in the Puranas, was an emblem of Shiva.
Apart from the puranas, which are histories, the basic aspects of Shaivite philosophy, rites, and symbols are found in numerous other works known as Agamas and Tantras. After reintegration of Shaivism and Yoga into Brahmanism, several technical works on yoga were written in Sanskrit. These will be dealt with below.”

Seems to me the truth has been around long before it was called Hinduism.

I could be wrong though…/

Don’t scare the people away from the yoga. I know you don’t care. I do.

Seems to me that perhaps at one time there was an almost world wide religion . . . and its center its beating heart was mother india.

#125

Aryan invasion theory has been dead for ages. It was created as propopoganda by Christian missionaries because they did not want to believe India’s historical record that it was some 10,000 years old. In order to make it fit into their historical record where they started history at 4004BCE(according to the bible) they shrank Indian history down by making it start in 1500BCE with this mythical Aryan invasion.

There was no Aryan invasion of India. The Aryans were from India. The Vedas go back as far as 6000BCE. Shiva is mentioned in the Vedas and so is Durga.

I personally see myself as a Shiva worshipper myself. I am drawn to the image of Shiva a lot.

#126

Yes there was a worldwide religion prior to 10,000 years ago. The Vedic history goes back very far and flies in the face of modern views of the history of man. However, history has a way of repeating itself, and we are once again moving into a world wide religion once again based on universal principles of Hinduism.

#127

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;33551]Aryan invasion theory has been dead for ages. It was created as propopoganda by Christian missionaries because they did not want to believe India’s historical record that it was some 10,000 years old. In order to make it fit into their historical record where they started history at 4004BCE(according to the bible) they shrank Indian history down by making it start in 1500BCE with this mythical Aryan invasion.

There was no Aryan invasion of India. The Aryans were from India. The Vedas go back as far as 6000BCE. Shiva is mentioned in the Vedas and so is Durga.

I personally see myself as a Shiva worshipper myself. I am drawn to the image of Shiva a lot.[/QUOTE]

So there’s nothing in the Puranas about an “Aryan” (whatever Aryan means) invasion being absorbed into India?

Feuerstein and Danielou and I’m sure many others I guess are wrong. Which certainly could be true. I personaly don’t have access to such knowlege. There’s some other stuff in Dainielous introduction that I find a little off . . . so perhaps he’s off on this as well. I believe Danielou was born in paris and lived in india for twenty years… after which he wrote his Yoga book . . .

You win. Everyones a hindu.

:stuck_out_tongue:

and yes . . . SHIVA ROCKS!

But also you skipped the point about shiavism being prevalent dah dah dah the vedas being against it and then after a time absorbing it and YOGA into Hinduism…?

What Say you?

#128

Aryan invasion theory has been taught as factual history about India for the last century or so this is why this version of history is commonly reported.

However, it has been contorversial from the start and then when the archeaological evidence came pouring from India from the Indus valley we discovered that the cities already were vedic. The clinching evidence was recent whens satellite photos showed that there was a massive dried up river flowing through the Indus valley civilisation on which all the cities were built that dried up completely in 2000BCE. Well the Rig Veda describes this river as a thriving river so when the Rig Veda was composed this river was flowing which there means the people who composed the Vedas were already part of the Indus valley civilisation long long before 2000BCE. In fact based on the astronomical evidence recorded in the Vedic texts the the latest dates possible are 6000BCE. We are now discovering submerged cities in the region matching descriptions in the Mahabharata.

So the archeaological evidence is strongly backing up Indian history as it has been recorded by Indians. Around 3000BCE was the time of the Mahabharata and when Krishna lived. Around 1800BCE was the the time Buddha lived. Around 1500BCE was the time of the Mauraya empire.

Now because of the Aryan invasion theory Indian history has been shrunk so we have it beginning in 1500BCE and with Buddha in 500BCE. This is at not all supported by Indian history or by the archaeological evidence.

#129

Whao!

Buddha around 1800 BCE?

Everything and I mean Everything I’ve ever read says . . . 500bce ish…

Thats a whole bunch of incongruity right there.

#130

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;33516]I have no problem with Mahayana Buddhism. However, Mahayana Buddhism is more like a syncretic form of Buddhism + Hindusim. If we are speaking strict and pure Buddhism then we are talking about a Buddhism which is based strongly on the doctrine of anatman. The Mahayana at least modify this doctrine to say that what Buddha really meant was that the false-ego is not the self, but there is a one true and absolute self(like Hinduism) but Mahayana Buddhism is just as nihilistic in that it tells you to destroy desire.

The Buddhist teaching is simple: desire is the root of suffering. This is why Buddhists always carry that cold and dispassionate look. Almost like robots. The Zen are even worse. I have a friend who went to a Zen monestary and he really put off by their lack of love for colour, music and festivity.

Hinduism’s teaching similarly summed up is: You are divine, realise your self, aspire for the infinite and actualize all your highest potentials(mind, body and soul) It does not tell you to suppress your desires. This is why Hinduism is so colourful, joyous and festive. It is the most life affirming religion out there. Like some pagan religions. In fact Hinduism is the root of paganism.[/QUOTE]

[B]Tricycle Daily Dharma[/B]
To Be Born Human

To be born as a human being is a glorious privilege. Man’s dignity consists in his capability to reason and think and to live up to the highest ideal of pure life, of calm thought, of wisdom without extraneous intervention. In the “Saimanna phala Sutta” Buddha says that man can enjoy in this life a glorious existence, a life of individual freedom, of fearlessness and compassionateness. This dignified ideal of manhood may be attained by the humblest, and this consummation raises him above wealth and royalty.

“Anagarika Dharmapala” (Spring 1995)

Oh my those somber unhappy buddhists. Gazing at the ground and all this…

Please go on telling us how it is.

#131

Yes, just remember there are two completely opposing theories on Indian history and they change absolutely everything. Aryan invasion theory, despite being dead in modern academia, is still accepted in some form or the other, because the opposite theory known as Out of India theory forces us to rewrite everything about India’s history and it also forces us to accept that the Aryans came from India and thus all ancient European culture is actually Indian.

However, because there is no evidence at all to support Aryan invasion theory and tons of evidence to support Out of India theory, it is only a matter of time before Out of India theory officially replaces Aryan invasion theory.

No the Puranas do not mention any kind of invasion. The idea of an Aryan invasion in Indian history is a completely modern idea created by Christian missionaries. Even if we look at ancient Greek records of Indian history they record Indian history going back continiously to 10,000 years and report no invasion. There is no invasion reported in the Vedas. There is archeaological evidence of any invasion. It is a myth.

#132

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;33600]Yes, just remember[/QUOTE]

Translation -Yes, Just Googled lol :wink:

#133

Regarding the birth of Buddha in 1800BCE. This is based on the Puranic records which mention the geneologies of the kings and their duration of reign preceeding Buddha to the beginning of Indian history 10,000 years ago. It is also based on the astronomical calculations of the position of all the stars during Buddha’s birth. It is ancient tradition to record the position of stars. According to those positions the only possible date they appear like this is in 1800BCE.

#134

Feuerstein claims india was booming and all this prosperity brought differnt tribes in to share or steal the wealth.
Some stayed being absorbed into the indian continent.
Some took thier ill gotten gains and vamosed.

Mukunda (Paramhamsa Yogananda) in his very famous Autobiography of a Yogi make a statement about Fair skinned indians living near the Himalayas or Kashmir. Saying they are descendents of Aryan invaders who mated with the indigenous peoples.

Curious…

I doubt yogananda would lie. Like seriously…sheesh.

#135

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;33534]Yep. If you do Yoga eventually you will become Hindu. I have seen it time and time again with Christians, Muslims and Atheists. They eventually validate for themselves through the practice all the truths of Hinduism. Look at how quickly Hinduism is spreading in America? Does this have anything to do with 20 million Americans practicing Yoga? Yes, it does.

However if you are going to do Yoga do it properly and in proper order. Meditating without first cultivating your pranic system is just a waste of time.[/QUOTE]

OK - now we have crossed over the line of the sublime into the silly.

I quote John Lennon:

i’m sick and tired of hearing
things
from uptight-short sighted-
narrow minded hypocritics
all i want is the truth
just give me some truth
i’ve had enough of reading
things
by nuerotic-pyschotic-
pig headed politicians
all i want is the truth
just give me some truth
no short haired-yellow bellied
son of tricky dicky
is gonna mother hubbard
soft soap me
with just a pocketful of hope
money for dope
money for rope
i’m sick to death of seeing
things
from tight lipped-
condescending -mommies little
chauvinists
all i want is the truth
just give me some truth
i’ve had enough of watching
scenes
of schizophrenic - ego - centric

  • paranoic - prima - donnas
    all i want is the truth
    just give me some truth