Why are Yoga & Hinduism Classes Taught by non-Hindus (mlecchas)?

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;62242]Interesting debate going on here. Unfortunately, I cannot participate in it because I have little time. My approach to subject has increasingly become more liberal, tolerant and universalist over the last few months, and recently after reading some of the publications from the Bihar School of Yoga by Swami Satayananda and his successors, I am starting to appreciate how much energy we are wasting in criticising these religions rather than trying to emphasise their positive aspects. I have few bad things to say about Sufism, Wicca and Gnosticism, and although these are not mainstream Western religions/thought, they should be given more emphasis.

I am going to make efforts to leave this critical mindset behind and cultivate a more tolerant mindset.[/QUOTE]

Although that sounds comfortable, you must understand the devious intentions of the Abrahamics if you want to help protect Hindus. Merely emphasizing the abrahamic philosophy’s so-called ‘good’ points (like what? don’t lie or murder? wow… how profound :rolleyes:) won’t make them go away or stop proselytizing. Remember, proselytization is violence and a form of terrorism; cultural terrorism. One can’t just wish it away.

That’s like harping about how great of an artist Hitler was while ignoring his intentions. Dangerous, to say the least.

Exactly! That is why Hindus must not allow mlecchas to “teach” Hinduism/Yoga. The mlecchas are backward and their vAsanAs (latent tendencies) come to the forefront through their biases. That is amply evident in Hindu academia in the west today.

This thread is not about Muslims. Indian/Hindu culture already empowers women and has done so for millenia. Certain social norms, that have changed due to the invasions of the Abrahamics (muslims and then christians) have had an effect on the Hindu psyche today. Easy example is the law outlawing homosexuality which the prudish British put into law but then excoriated India for not legalizing it (they just revoked that law a couple of years ago LOL).

Western feminism, also does NOT speak for universal women’s rights. Western anything does NOT represent unversality of that point. This type of cultural jingoism is what must be destroyed. Like you said. Not all perspectives are the same and western perspectives on life are most definitely at the lowest rung of human development. That is why they are called mlecchas.

Cultural hegemony is what most non-western people are against. Good example is the oft-repeated lie that the Lingam is a phallic symbol. Sick idiots who could only think of base instincts came up with that interpretation which is completely against Hindu philosophy and now it is paraded as if it is fact. That is why it is dangerous for mlecchas to be allowed to teach (even learn IMO) Hinduism/Yoga. They are too undeveloped to understand the philosophy and thus must stick to their abrahamic cults.

"I have lived in Bharat and now live in mleccha-desha (west). "

Why are you here to beginwith?

Why didn’t you just stay in India?

"That’s because Christians form a majority in the US. They are oblivious to the denigration of other religions especially their brother-religion Islam. They portrayed Obama as Nataraja on Newsweek. I wonder what the response would have been if they portrayed him as that dead jew on a stick jesus as “lord of nothing”.

LOL! “Christians” have nothing to do with Newsweek. To the current US “multi-cultural” zeitgeist led by the liberal media, Eastern symbolism is “cool, hip” - as is Obama. Therefore to juxtapose Obama with an Eastern symbol is just one more way of promoting the “easternization” of the West, which fits in well with the multi-cultural agenda.

What, you’ve never heard of “Piss Christ”?

In the liberal led, anti-Christian, multi-cultural media, Christianity and its symbols take a regular beating.

Read up on “cultural marxism”.

Somebody like you, a “mystical easterner from an ‘ancient’ culture” with your hatred of “the West” would be like a soothing balm to the increasingly leftist media of our increasingly “multi-cultural” United States. Indeed, you would serve to cause “reflection” in the hearts of all big, bad White Americans, especially the proverbial Satan of the World - “The White Male”.

People like you play right into the hands of the cultural marxists behind our media.

“Western feminism, also does NOT speak for universal women’s rights. Western anything does NOT represent unversality of that point.”

Western Feminism speaks for WESTERNERS.

If “Easterners” don’t like it, there is absolutely ZERO reason for them to immigrate to Western countries.

People who feel the “need” to immigrate somewhere should immigrate ONLY to countries that are compatible with their cultural norms and mindset.

Multi-culturalism is turning into a farce, and a dangerous one at that.

The liberal, bleeding-heart, sufferers of misplaced “white guilt” (another form of “the white man’s burden”) who are in charge of the government of European countries are finding that out - the hard way.

While it may not be possible (and certainly not politically correct) to send these people BACK, what they can do is place a ban on all immigration from hence forward.

Not all cultures are compatible.

There is not always a net gain from “mixing” - no matter how well-intended.

[QUOTE=kareng;62017]Astrology…as a long time practitioner I can tell you with confidence that this new age will not be embracing religions or anything that divides us…now put your thinking cap on Neeches !![/QUOTE]

As a non-born Hindu, non-Indian, I recognize Sanatana Dharma as the great catalyzer of this process… It’s hardly plausible that people would unite to such extent (spiritually) without a philosophy body to shelter and guide this process.

It’s also interesting to remember that to consider Sanatana Dharma as a mere religious line that has little relevance to anyone outside the cultural environment of India is a great reducionism. But since Sanatana Dharma was born and developed in Bharata, it may not ressonate to a westerner, so it seems a bit like a paradox.

Sanatana Dharma can offer this exactly because of its broad nature not to mention it can even live with the nastika lines that sprouted out of it like Buddhism and so on.

It’s not reasonable to expect this union to be of a pasteurizing nature, where people will all have the exact same mindset and inclination, so in this point again I see the advantage of the ressurection of society based on the whole of Dharma.

All if this is something the Abrahamic religions lack and they are indeed dying, and if they don’t die they will kill each other if they persist on their exclusivism.

I was enjoying reading this thread a few days ago: http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2954

[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;61937]There’s no Hindu “spin” on yoga, just like there is no mathematical “spin” on calculus. Yoga is Hindu in its nature.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I really don’t know how someone can say “hindu spin on yoga”, makes no sense.

Originally Posted by kareng
Astrology…as a long time practitioner I can tell you with confidence that this new age will not be embracing religions or anything that divides us…now put your thinking cap on Neeches !!

I recognize Sanatana Dharma as the great catalyzer of this process… It’s hardly plausible that people would unite to such extent (spiritually) without a philosophy body to shelter and guide this process.

Why is it neccessary for people to “unite”? Quite frankly there are ways of life, perspectives and cultural traditions that I want to stay FAR away from forever and ever.

Having them around me is NOT going to “expand my human experience” or “add value” to my life or my particular culture.

This is the problem with cultural-relativism and multi-culturalism as an end in itself. It assumes, quite naively, that I have something positive to gain from exposure to each and every culture.

While I don’t seek to “wipe out” any religion or culture en masse, like commenter Nietzsche does, I sure has heck do not want to mix, mingle and absorb every single cultural idiosyncrasy this planet has to offer either.

Let them have their space and me have mine.

I think we have found a nice pair, a white supremist and an Indian supremist. If their horoscopes match, they can get married.

Sarvamangala, you must’ve drunk alot of liberal-white-guilt-global-multiculturalist Kool-Aid if you think merely not being a cultural relativist means one is automatically a “White Supremacist”.

:roll:

LOL! Coming from you that is really rich!

This is rather amusing since I respect the perspectives of all other cultures and religions with the exception of the Abrahamic ones.

To answer your question, like Surya Deva, I am NOT a “cultural relativist”. So while I have respect for perspectives that fall in line with progress and positivity, I do not have respect for perspectives that are backwards and sexist. All perspectives are not equal.

No they are not equal, but they are not all wrong either.

Define “backwards” Mrs. White supremacist. Does “backwards” mean non-white or non-Western?

I understand your reasoning but I can say that it is narrow-minded. I myself do not like sexist ideologies such as those present within every single religion but [B][U]I empathize[/U][/B] with them, unlike you. I understand that many Muslim women take pride in wearing burqas just as the upper-class Chinese women took pride in being subservient to men.

As we were discussing immigration and Feminism here, it is a fact that immigrants from cultural backgrounds that have had no Feminist influence are backwards with regards to women. That conflicts with the social norms they find themselves surrounded by when they immigrate to Feminist Countries, as we are hearing about the many problems in Sweden, Holland and other European countries that take in Muslims from non-Feminist, patriarchal predominantly Muslim countries.

Define backwards and we can move on from there. Until then, you are sounding like a chauvinist to me.

And it is ironic you should be complaining about the treatment of women within Islam since at the zenith of Islam’s height, women were treated better than they were in the Western world for [U]centuries[/U].

As I said before, you should empathize with these perspectives rather than denouncing the entire package due to a single defect. These perspectives emerge in times of considerable societal and economical strain, as in the case in the majority of the world, and die out and soon as these nations become materially prosperous.

Those governments are CRAZY for allowing in masses of people who do not share the Feminist values of their societies. It is a recipe for disaster to have such severely conflicting values in one small geo-socio-political space.

You are absolutely right. Our ancestors and those of the Muslims and the Chinese, were absolutely crazy to associate with such a backwards and miserable place as the Western world.

You see, I wasn’t wrong in labeling you as a white supremacist.

What -are you the only one allowed to criticize Muslims? Have you “no respect for the perspectives of other cultures in this world” either?

This is laughable as you are jumping to conclusions here. I respect some of the [B]social[/B] perspectives of other ideologies, even Islam, [B]with respect to their era.[/B]

I do not respect the supremacist and exclusivist [B]religious[/B] ideologies in these Abrahamic cults.

They should help their own homelands out. The US and much of the Western World is in a deep economic recession. We need to get back on our feet before we can play Sugar Daddy to the world again.

Except for the fact that you will never again be able to play “Sugar Daddy” to the world. The Western world, thankfully, is dying and the rest of the world won’t have to deal with its racism, white supremacy, and jingoism as much.

The cycle is reversing. The West had the rest of the world sing to its tunes for 300-400 years. Now, Asia will have the West sing to its tunes for a few more millennia. :smiley:

At the rate things are going I’m probably going to need a country to immigrate to and get a new job in myself in the not so distant future, so the sooner Indians and Chinese can get their places together the sooner I and other Americans can immigrate there!

What a filthy racist.

It amazes me to see the kind of Western excrement that accept our practices and still go around being contemptible currs.

Since you are ignorant of the connection between White Nationalism and interest in Hinduism I have some links for you but am unable to post any until I have made at least 15 posts on this website.

The fact that you know such websites exist is worrisome. :stuck_out_tongue:

For starters you can go to seedofjapheth DOT wordpress DOT com and read about his recent decision to convert to Hinduism. You can also read his blogs about how White Pride does mean hatred of non-White people, just as South Asian Pride, Desi Pride or Hindu Pride does not mean hatred of non-South Asians, non-Desis or non-Hindus.

I don’t want to read sick shit such as that.

It is possible to take pride in one’s family, heritage, culture and religion without hating others.

Hurr durr, thanks for enlightening me Sherlock.

What bothers me are people who accept the practices of another religion/ideology but go around defaming that religion/ideology.

Being multi-cultural and multi-national myself, I have nothing against the Multi Cult as long as the cultures being multiplied are progressive and positive. However I would strongly advise someone such as yourself to [U]move as far away from “The West” and Western people as possible because it’s obvious you hate us.

I actually hate your elitism, jingoism, and white supremacy. I admit, however, that it my frustration at anger at such ignorance often breaks the line between people and ideology.

The world is a big, beautiful place, there are so many countries you could go to. Since you seem to be of Indian origin, why don’t you go there?

If you can figure out a way for a 16 year old to liquidate his “property” and emigrate to another country, that would be great.

Don’t hate.
Appreciate.

How ironic.

As far as the “Gori” that’s what people in India called me so I’m using it as my moniker.

Don’t hate.
Appreciate.

I’m not surprised.

However, if the Indians you met in India knew your views, they would have called you a “kuti” or a “kamini.”

[QUOTE=GORI YOGINI;62273]Sarvamangala, you must’ve drunk alot of liberal-white-guilt-global-multiculturalist Kool-Aid if you think merely not being a cultural relativist means one is automatically a “White Supremacist”.

:roll:[/QUOTE]

Gori Yogini, you must’ve drunk a lot of conservative white-dominance-global-sectionalist Kool-Aid if you think being a white supremacist is not being racist or jingoist.

Let them have their space and me have mine.

I agree completely.

So why the f- are you practicing Yoga?

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;62171]I love the Western media.

“Secular” Congress Party (and very corrupt).

“Hindu fundamentalist” Bharatiya Janata Party (not corrupt and cares about India).[/QUOTE]

Look, all this nonsense of people thinking dancing is banned in India comes from the sickular CONgress.

Manish Tiwari of the CONgress has criticised Shushma (BJP) for dancing: “BJP has disrespected the Raj Ghat. We have asked for Sushma’s (Swaraj) apology for dancing and singing there. This has shamed India.”

Shushma (BJP) answers: “We are patriotic people. We will sing, swing and dance on patriotic songs till our last breath.”

[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;62280]Look, all this nonsense of people thinking dancing is banned in India comes from the sickular CONgress.

Manish Tiwari of the CONgress has criticised Shushma (BJP) for dancing: “BJP has disrespected the Raj Ghat. We have asked for Sushma’s (Swaraj) apology for dancing and singing there. [B]This has shamed India[/B].”[/QUOTE]

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Sorry, I had to laugh at that bit of hypocrisy there.

Mera Bharat Mahan!

:eek:

Let them have their space and me have mine.

I agree completely.

So why the f- are you practicing Yoga?

Why the fuck are you in the United States?

[QUOTE=GORI YOGINI;62283]Mera Bharat Mahan!

:eek:[/QUOTE]There are many problems in India, but not because of the Indian nationalists, but because of the Italian terrorist Antonia Maino (Sonia Gandhi) who is rulling Indian CONgress like a puppet master.

Aww look, the kuti is getting all defensive and pissed off when being presented with a sensible question. I suppose its a natural white supremacist response.

To address your question: Is it because your pathetic civilization raped the rest of the world, forcing everyone in the modern world who wants to mitigate their adversity to move to the West?

I am here for materialistic reasons: to get an education and get a good job. After that, I will leave this shithole of ignorance and retardation called the United States.

But your practicing of Yoga is entirely antithetical to your anti-multiculturalist views.

If you think your culture is superior, quit practicing ours. We Indians and Hindus don’t want white shit like you anyway polluting our culture with your aimless pandering.

"I am here for materialistic reasons: to get an education and get a good job. After that, I will leave this shithole of ignorance and retardation called the United States. "

Salaam and buh-bye!

You can get an education and good job in India right now. No need to come to the US for that.

The sooner you leave, the happier you’ll be. :smiley:

[QUOTE=GORI YOGINI;62337]Salaam and buh-bye!

You can get an education and good job in India right now. No need to come to the US for that.

The sooner you leave, the happier you’ll be. :D[/QUOTE]

Namaskar aur aalvida!

You can get physical benefits by weight lifting. No need to practice Yoga for that! As for spirituality…LSD should help, eh? :smiley:

The sooner you quit Yoga, the happier you’ll be!

“The sooner you quit Yoga, the happier you’ll be!”

I’m not the one complaining about yoga, the country I live in or the local people that surround me.

I love where I live and love the people around me!

Couldn’t be happier.

In fact, I’m about to head to the beach in a few with some good friends for a cool swim and an organic salad picnic thanks to our backyard gardens…

smiles