Greetings of the day, I agree with you completely
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;61886]Until you can explain yourself and apologize, every post you make will be followed by a c/p of this.[/QUOTE]
Fraulein Frederich - I briefly took you off my ignore list to see what silliness you are posting. Thanks for reiterating some of my observations. Nothing there I would apologize for or rephrase. Now, I will get you back on ignore.
Ciao.
[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;61890]Fraulein Frederich - I briefly took you off my ignore list to see what silliness you are posting. Thanks for reiterating some of my observations. Nothing there I would apologize for or rephrase. Now, I will get you back on ignore.
Ciao.[/QUOTE]
I knew this is what you had said even before I clicked “view post.”
You mean you take pride in being a racist ignoramus who doesn’t know a rat’s fart about Indian history and Indian societal developments. Yet, you practice yoga and spout clich?d philosophical and spiritual nonsense in a sententious display of your so called wisdom.
And you guys wonder why we Indians get so pissed about you adopting our culture? You barbarians will always remain barbarians. Not even the civilizing influence of our superior ways can change that.
The Western world is a thoroughly unenlightened place that subjugates non-whites. I wouldn’t be surprised if it taught India everything it needed to know about citizen abuse (you all know what I’m talking about).
You, in particular, are a piece of human excrement that should have been flushed long ago.
Without further ado, I present everyone the following:
Face the facts: without western civilization and Christianity, India and the vast cultures if the world would still be wrangling on or near the stone age; living, fighting and dying under primitive tribalism.
This is a good start Surya. I’ll contact A R Rahman so he can compose an upbeat score. You and Friedrich practice your dance routines (who’s the stright guy?). Leave everything to me and I’ll have you guys prancing down the red carpet come Oscar season.
May have to change the old testament theme thing a bit. Violence is good, but can you find some sexy bits? Just try to resist casting any girls under 16. I’ve read about old Hindu men’s preference for marrying the young ones. Won’t go over well out here. Round up some lower caste filthy untouchable bastards to haul the equipment around on the cheap, and we’re set.
Are child brides still condemned by Hindu law to be outcasts because they are widows? That’s not very yogic.
Here’s the synopsis:
The Hero: Surya Deva, he’s a rich boy, a spoiled brat. His mother has died and his mean father has remarried a Chritian woman. Surya often sees his mother in his dreams where she begs him to find a nice girl and settle down. When we first meet our hero he’s surrounded by scantily clad girls prancing around him in their vast garden, while white and lilac petals fall from the sky. They sing:
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
Āpa kē li’ē hamārā pyāra pīlē bukhāra kī taraha jalatā hai.
(Our love for you
Burns like yellow fever!)
Our hero has charms to distract the girls while dancing - singing of his dream girl.
She comes to me
Like biscuit from the cupboard
So dry at first
But dunked in milk
So white to see
The Heroine: Fraulein Freidrich (funny name for a hindu girl, but we can make it work). She is the epitome of today’s generation. Fraulein Freidrich is poor outcast from a small village, but her jewelry is designed by Tanishq. Our heroine is having a bath in the local canal when our hero sees her. Their eyes meet, heartbeats stop, music happens, everyone around them begins the choreographed dancing rountine, the camera pans a wide panoramic shot of the scene, and love is in the air!
Fraulein Freidrich sings the main theme tune:
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
My love for you
Lifts me up like a lever!
The Villain: (TBA) Surya’s father and his Christian wife, always spying on them from behind the doors or the trees. They sing as well:
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
If you marry her
We will carve you with a cleaver!
Meanwhile, one lonely night our hero is alone, looking out into the Ganges, when his ghostly mother appears to him:
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
Fraulein Freidrich is too brown
Why don’t you leave her?
SD:
Mām̐, maiṁ apanā dūdha liyā hai,
lēkina ēka chōṭī sī mēka’apa
Fraulein Freidrich pārita kara sakatē haiṁ wih.
(Mother, I’ve had your milk, but wih a little makeup Fraulein Freidrich can pass.)
This goes on for a couple of hours, then our villains kidnap Fraulein Freidrich and take her to a palace that has a pool filled with pink acid. Much singing and dancing there. But, our hero’s best friend urges Surya Deva to rescue the Fraulein.
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
If you let this happen
You will surely bereave her!
So, off they prance - the scantliy clad girls in tow - to rescue the Fraulein Freidrich from the clutches of the evil father and Christian stepmother. When the arrive, a great fight ensues with a cast of thousands. Carefully choreographed, the villains and heroes battle for another hour or so. Finally, Surya Deva rescues his Fraulein Freidrich, but as they sing to each other, they realize they cannot remain on Earth together, so they decide to jump into the pool of pink acid. As they sink, to their knees, then their waist, then their shoulders, the camera zooms into a close up and our lovers kiss passionately. The fighting stops and sun is blacked out by a swarm of parrots, their droppings falling on the villains.
But wait! It’s not over! Our lovers emerge in heaven, hand in hand (the scantily clad girls are there to meet them) and they are shown to a table full of great food by our hero’s mother. At the table are many guests, including Siva, Jesus, Allah, and the prophet MHd (have to careful there. Don’t want to make the same mistake as the Danes). Everyone is happy to see them, and the final song echoes with Rahman’s signature beat, while white and lilac petals fall from the sky.
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
Now you have the chance
To show her your pecker!
(note: the preceding is a parody. Any resemblance to any person or culture, living or dead, is purely coincidental. Your humble narrator’s personal views are not in any way reflected here)
As for the other selected quote: subjugating large populations of your own culture and entrenching that in your religion is exactly the same as any inquisition, crusade or witch burning. In fact, it’s worse - it’s damned cowardly. Better, I suppose, to pick on the weakest members of your society. To place those of ‘darker’ skin tone below you and brand them as untouchable to be scorned and abused. To kill your female babies because they do not conform to master’s wishes and be male. To marry off your child brides because they are to powerless to say no.
This illustrates the weakness of the society. They didn’t go outside their own borders because they were afraid to. Had they faced the barbarian christians they would have had the shit kicked out of them sincerely, which eventually happened when the British sauntered in easily. And the barbarians would not have only focused on the weak. They would have taken aim squarely at the strong (that’s not saying much, if their behaviour is any judge), knocked them down a few pegs, and laid them on the doorsteps of the very castes they shat on (who would most probably have taken care of them).
Another strawman. Read up on Indian history and it will become clear they went well beyond their borders. Here is a pointer: Read up on the Sri Vijaya empire to begin with. As for having the shit kicked out of them? Read on Alexandra’s attempted invasion of India and how he ran away when faced with the superior Indian army, not only that, he gave up his previously captured territory to India. The British invasion of India was no cake walk either, they had to fight wars with powerful Indian kings, and even lost some wars.
Yeah. Right. Lol
“I agree with you. India is a very backward and unenlightened society that subjugates her women and restricts their rights as given to men. Hopefully the new media will awaken and enlighten the people and they will demand freedom from male-dominated, antiquated doctrine. Fingers crossed.”
"Total and utter dribble. India was very proficient at abusing her citizens long before Hannibal came traipsing over the horizon. In fact, I would venture to bet that India taught the West all they know about citizen abuse (and I know you know what I’m talking about).
Nietzches,…and barbarians…you are funny at times…Dribbling nonsense about the west, you hindu…,well …
I know and have known Indian English teachers…does this mean they shouldn’t be teaching English chaps? Oh Yes and this must apply to all cultures that adopt other cultures ways, habits, sports, religeons etc etc…
So we can do away with bringing all nations together. We can forget about communications with all other cultures unless it is in their language and their reply, in ours.
We will all stick to our own cultures ways, and in doing so, take a few steps backwards.
Oh yes, and all people must live in the country of their fathers, shall we say?
Yeah, I know. These herrs und their “mein ist der zuperior race” crapola. They should just drinken der shnapps und haf a lie-down in savasana.
Yep, relax, take a chill pill…chill in the still, watch your Uranus, its out for trouble…
[QUOTE=kareng;61907]Nietzches,…and barbarians…you are funny at times…Dribbling nonsense about the west, you hindu…,well …
I know and have known Indian English teachers…does this mean they shouldn’t be teaching English chaps? Oh Yes and this must apply to all cultures that adopt other cultures ways, habits, sports, religeons etc etc…
So we can do away with bringing all nations together. We can forget about communications with all other cultures unless it is in their language and their reply, in ours.
We will all stick to our own cultures ways, and in doing so, take a few steps backwards.
Oh yes, and all people must live in the country of their fathers, shall we say?[/QUOTE]
You mean the Truth about the West…the Truth butt-hurt Westerners are unwilling to see about themselves.
Don’t be illogical. Languages and general knowledge are distinct from cultural practices. You can’t just superficially “teach” a cultural practice without the right foundation.
And now you are misunderstanding me. Bringing together nations isn’t a problem so long as they aren’t slaving under Western capitalist corporations and other monied interests.
Bringing together people isn’t a problem as long as there is respect and understanding.
Bringing together cultures isn’t a problem so long as there is empathy.
Seeing that none of the above apply to the Western world, it is only logical to re-evaluate the manner in which the rest of the world associates itself with the destructive and oppressive West.
P.S: The world was much better off when everyone was doing their own thing, sticking to their own cultures. Then came the Westerners, who fucked up everything and now expect the rest of the world to bow-down to their cultural and economic imperialism. That ain’t gonna happen.
[QUOTE=kareng;61910]Yep, relax, take a chill pill…chill in the still, watch your Uranus, its out for trouble…[/QUOTE]
Blah blah blah.
I stick to Physics and Calculus, not some mystic nonsense.
In fact, the only thing I will be watching out for is this Australian’s discovery of the “location,” so to speak, of dark energy/matter.
I got interested in Samkhya-Yoga philosophy because it is rational and seemed more suitable for western minds than the idealistic Vedanta. I also like yoga for the health benefits. But then you have these nimrods trying to say that Hindus need to be in charge of all things remotely related to Yoga and Hinduism. They’re actually trying to impose their caste system on us.
It is true that at some time in the remote past there was a melding of two cultures, the rational and relatively more civilized people, from which the Samkhya originated were dominated by the relatively less civilized people who were obsessed with the worship of naturalistic gods. The insistence that there could be no divergence from the Vedas was the action of a conquering people. This is still being perpetuated to this day with the insistence that there was never any convergence of cultures, and that only caste Hindus are qualified in the areas of yoga and philosophy.
Yoga and the philosophies that originated in India are not the property of any religion. We are free to study and interpret them as we see fit. I still find Yoga and Samkhya-Yoga philosophy to have some value, but you can keep Hinduism. I don’t want it.
[QUOTE=Asuri;61918]I got interested in Samkhya-Yoga philosophy because it is rational and seemed more suitable for western minds than the idealistic Vedanta. I also like yoga for the health benefits. But then you have these nimrods trying to say that Hindus need to be in charge of all things remotely related to Yoga and Hinduism. They’re actually trying to impose their caste system on us.
It is true that at some time in the remote past there was a melding of two cultures, the rational and relatively more civilized people, from which the Samkhya originated were dominated by the relatively less civilized people who were obsessed with the worship of naturalistic gods. The insistence that there could be no divergence from the Vedas was the action of a conquering people. This is still being perpetuated to this day with the insistence that there was never any convergence of cultures, and that only caste Hindus are qualified in the areas of yoga and philosophy.
Yoga and the philosophies that originated in India are not the property of any religion. We are free to study and interpret them as we see fit. I still find Yoga and Samkhya-Yoga philosophy to have some value, but you can keep Hinduism. I don’t want it.[/QUOTE]
More illogical and wholly misinformed bullshit and a complete misinterpretation of our points.
Of course, as you are a Westerner, I’m not surprised that you think our culture should be subjugated by non-Indians. Is this not a global caste system? Or it is fine since its “civilized” white people doing it this time around?
Your “interpretation” of Indian history is wrong. There was no AIT. There were no “civilized” philosophical Hindus and “uncivilized” Bhakti people (but in a retarded white man’s thinking, there is). No one thinks that Yoga should be taught by “caste Hindus” (whatever the hell that means).
Until you develop the brain mass to pick up an unbiased history book and read it, and respect our culture, GTFO and stop learning about our ways.
We Hindus will always know more about our culture than a white man ever will.
[QUOTE=Asuri;61918]
Yoga and the philosophies that originated in India are not the property of any religion. We are free to study and interpret them as we see fit. I still find Yoga and Samkhya-Yoga philosophy to have some value, but you can keep Hinduism. I don’t want it.[/QUOTE]
And Surya Deva wants to “educate” the West, even though its full of retards like this…thing.
Samkhya and Yoga are indeed the property of the religious, cultural, and societal fabric known as Sanatana Dharma. I suggest you stop fighting this fight; we will always win this one.
It is however, not the property of Indian Hindus. Everyone is free to learn it.
However, the considerable retardation and racism in the West is Hindus to rethink the viability of civilizing white people by imparting our ways onto them. What else do you expect us to think when excrement-for-brains people like this guy think “Yoga predates Hinduism,” and so on.
Sankhya and yoga are the fruit that grow in the Hindu tree.
I have only one thing to add. We are free to study and interpret the philosophy as we see fit, that is, without the Hindu spin, and we will.
There’s no Hindu “spin” on yoga, just like there is no mathematical “spin” on calculus. Yoga is Hindu in its nature.
[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;61751]Me!
Oh, and one of the fellas down the street from me. Him too!
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A stray dog on the streets of India is more spiritually advanced than vermin like you.
[QUOTE=kareng;61907]Nietzches,…and barbarians…you are funny at times…Dribbling nonsense about the west, you hindu…,well …
I know and have known Indian English teachers…does this mean they shouldn’t be teaching English chaps? Oh Yes and this must apply to all cultures that adopt other cultures ways, habits, sports, religeons etc etc…
So we can do away with bringing all nations together. We can forget about communications with all other cultures unless it is in their language and their reply, in ours.
We will all stick to our own cultures ways, and in doing so, take a few steps backwards.
Oh yes, and all people must live in the country of their fathers, shall we say?[/QUOTE]
Comparing teaching a mundane subject like English to teaching Yoga/Hinduism is like comparing Lego building to teaching aerospace engineering. And, English is a cake-walk compared to even Hindi. LOL…
[QUOTE=Asuri;61918]Yoga and the philosophies that originated in India are not the property of any religion.[B] We are free to study and interpret them as we see fit.[/B] I still find Yoga and Samkhya-Yoga philosophy to have some value, but you can keep Hinduism. I don’t want it.[/QUOTE]
No you are not. It is the cultural treasure of India and Hindus so only they are qualified to do so.
Samkhya, Yoga, and everything related to that like Ayurveda etc. are all part of Hinduism.
[QUOTE=Asuri;61936]I have only one thing to add. We are free to study and interpret the philosophy as we see fit, that is, without the Hindu spin, and we will.[/QUOTE]
No you cannot and you will not. Whatever you “spin” it to be, it won’t be considered authentic anyway so go ahead and keep barking till your throats are dry and hands are tired, you cannot alter the truth.
And, your name is so apt; just like your asuric nature.
You have made some good points in this thread, but you are destroying all that with your childish insults. Please continue to make good arguments, instead of trying to annoy other members.