It depends what the purpose of your posts are. Do you want to share your knowledge, educate and dispell misinformation or do you just want to annoy people? I know it can be frustrating to share knowledge about authentic yoga and Hinduism with people who make up their own facts as they go.
Many people already feel insulted just because Hindus stand up and correct misinformation about yoga and other Hindu subjects. Insulting people is just going to add salt on their wounds.
[QUOTE=TatTvamAsi;61938]A stray dog on the streets of India is more spiritually advanced than vermin like you.[/QUOTE]
Zeig heil! Raus mit sweinhunt! Schnell!
Say, while we’re on the subject Tats baby. Why are there so many stray dogs in such an enlightened country?
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;61947]It depends what the purpose of your posts are. Do you want to share your knowledge, educate and dispell misinformation or do you just want to annoy people? I know it can be frustrating to share knowledge about authentic yoga and Hinduism with people who make up their own facts as they go.[/QUOTE]
Well, that’s a good question. I’m not here to “educate” anyone. Especially these idiots who think some dead jew on a stick was a saint. I was asked by someone to join this forum to combat the misconceptions these turds have against Hinduism/India so I joined. I already deal with enough d-bags asking me what the “dot” on my forehead is when I’m actually wearing pattai vibhuti (3 lines across my forehead as I’m a Smarta). I just tell them they can’t understand it and move on.
I have no interest in educating mlecchas. They are not meant for or deserving of the glorious knowledge and philosophy of Hinduism/Yoga. That’s why even when they try it for years, they end up being more egotistical than when they started out. The entire purpose of yoga is lost on them.
[QUOTE=TatTvamAsi;61950]Well, that’s a good question. I’m not here to “educate” anyone. Especially these idiots who think some dead jew on a stick was a saint. I was asked by someone to join this forum to combat the misconceptions these turds have against Hinduism/India so I joined. I already deal with enough d-bags asking me what the “dot” on my forehead is when I’m actually wearing pattai vibhuti (3 lines across my forehead as I’m a Smarta). I just tell them they can’t understand it and move on.
I have no interest in educating mlecchas. They are not meant for or deserving of the glorious knowledge and philosophy of Hinduism/Yoga. That’s why even when they try it for years, they end up being more egotistical than when they started out. The entire purpose of yoga is lost on them.[/QUOTE]
Buddy, if you are yoga, then there are millions - brown, white, red, black and yellow - who have gone down the wrong path.
Now, on ignore and hopefully never to smell your negative BO. Good luck on whatever journey you are on.
With the exception of Sarvamangalamangala, the responses here are indicative of what I’m talking about. Anyone who deviates from the party line is subjected to the most hateful, violent, and abusive treatment. Apparently I know more about your history than you do, since you don’t know who Asuri was. I promised myself I would walk away from this rats nest. Let’s see if I have any self discipline.
[QUOTE=Asuri;61936]I have only one thing to add. We are free to study and interpret the philosophy as we see fit, that is, without the Hindu spin, and we will.[/QUOTE]
Well said Sarva.
Asuri, idiots like you can interpret our teachings however they want. But always remember that what you say has no bearing on the larger Indian cultural, societal, and religious context.
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;61947]It depends what the purpose of your posts are. Do you want to share your knowledge, educate and dispell misinformation or do you just want to annoy people? I know it can be frustrating to share knowledge about authentic yoga and Hinduism with people who make up their own facts as they go.
Many people already feel insulted just because Hindus stand up and correct misinformation about yoga and other Hindu subjects. Insulting people is just going to add salt on their wounds.[/QUOTE]
I agree.
However, its sometimes necessary to show that we Hindus are no pushovers. We won’t let Westerners and other ignorant filth walk over us like they did a couple decades ago.
[QUOTE=Asuri;61961]With the exception of Sarvamangalamangala, the responses here are indicative of what I’m talking about. Anyone who deviates from the party line is subjected to the most hateful, violent, and abusive treatment. Apparently I know more about your history than you do, since you don’t know who Asuri was. I promised myself I would walk away from this rats nest. Let’s see if I have any self discipline.[/QUOTE]
You will never know more Indian history than me, lol. I know more history than most people on this forum, period.
Besides, retard, no history is taught in terms of its religious and cultural development, just as European history is not taught in terms of its “Christian” history, or Japanese history taught in terms of its “Shinto” or “Buddhist” history.
Can you tell me the name of the region where the Nanda empire originated? No? LAWLZ
[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;61949]Zeig heil! Raus mit sweinhunt! Schnell!
Say, while we’re on the subject Tats baby. Why are there so many stray dogs in such an enlightened country?[/QUOTE]
Because we don’t believe in herding them all into shelters and giving them lethal shots if they are not adopted in time?
LOL.
How old are you again, wrinkly old red neck? or 52? Either way, you won’t be living much longer (thankfully).
[QUOTE=TatTvamAsi;61950]Well, that’s a good question. I’m not here to “educate” anyone. Especially these idiots who think some dead jew on a stick was a saint. I was asked by someone to join this forum to combat the misconceptions these turds have against Hinduism/India so I joined. I already deal with enough d-bags asking me what the “dot” on my forehead is when I’m actually wearing pattai vibhuti (3 lines across my forehead as I’m a Smarta). I just tell them they can’t understand it and move on.
I have no interest in educating mlecchas. They are not meant for or deserving of the glorious knowledge and philosophy of Hinduism/Yoga. That’s why even when they try it for years, they end up being more egotistical than when they started out. The entire purpose of yoga is lost on them.[/QUOTE]
VERY VERY well said.
This forum is FULL of egotistical and delusional people who think they are spiritual or enlightened just because they have read our scriptures. Examples are Shithead Penguin, Amir Mourad, Asuric Asuri, and so forth.
You guys have already seen what the wrinkly ass old coot has said. Now let me show what “hateful and vile” statements Asuric Asuri has said about India and Indians.
And quit twisting my words, you punk. I didn’t say that Indians only own the Dunkin Donuts and 7 11’s, I said they own ALL of them.
Oh yeah, I watched Ice Road Truckers when they went to India. Man, you guys can’t drive. And you need to do something about those roads.
Well, I never thought much about Hindus at all, but if I were to base my opinion on the two of you, I’d have to say that Hindus are arrogant, egotistical, nasty little eggheads, bigots, haters, and BS artists, although Surya Deva has mellowed a little.
Surya Deva, forget your visions of enlightening the West. It won’t work. The Western world has a barbaric culture and its people are the most ignorant, hateful, racist, mentally retarded, and bigoted people who ever existed in human history. We should be discrediting them, not educating them.
Their ignorance is destroying them day by day. Let them all die the inglorious death they deserve.
[QUOTE=TatTvamAsi;61939]Comparing teaching a mundane subject like English to teaching Yoga/Hinduism is like comparing Lego building to teaching aerospace engineering. And, English is a cake-walk compared to even Hindi. LOL…[/QUOTE]
Whilst agreeing that their two are far apart, the principle stands.
The English language belongs to the English people. It has spread worldwide, as we know, and some people attempt to speak it well but there are many who don’t. We could go into this in depth…the fact remains that I often hear and see the English language being used incorrectly.
Yoga belongs to the Hindus…they are just going to have to get used to Westerners interpreting and practising it, their way, making errors along the way, misunderstanding much, or, perhaps getting it right!!!
Most people I know who take up Yoga with little understanding of it know one thing…Yoga comes from India… The people thinking this love the fact it is Indian and that they can be a part of something great that has come from India…you all have it wrong!
The reason you have it wrong is because you are allowing an [B]unnecessary[/B] chip on your shoulder,to grow, and, I find this embarrassing… You don’t realise that the educated West have a deep respect for Hindu Yoga, for India and for Indian people. We in the west have to cope with ignorance just as you do in the East, but where do you place yourselves? doesn’t your approach put you in the ignorant category?
And what happened to generosity of spirit? Where have you misplaced that?
Surya Deva, forget your visions of enlightening the West. It won’t work. The Western world has a barbaric culture and its people are the most ignorant, hateful, racist, mentally retarded, and bigoted people who ever existed in human history. We should be discrediting them, not educating them.
Their ignorance is destroying them day by day. Let them all die the inglorious death they deserve.[/QUOTE]
No Surya, don’t forget your visions…your visions are for the good and important. You are heading on the right track, IMHO.
And no, the West is not a barbaric culture. All wrong can be corrected, but not with hate. It is hate that causes barbaric behaviour.
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;61916]You mean the Truth about the West…the Truth butt-hurt Westerners are unwilling to see about themselves.
Don’t be illogical. Languages and general knowledge are distinct from cultural practices. You can’t just superficially “teach” a cultural practice without the right foundation.
And now you are misunderstanding me. Bringing together nations isn’t a problem so long as they aren’t slaving under Western capitalist corporations and other monied interests.
Bringing together people isn’t a problem as long as there is respect and understanding.
Bringing together cultures isn’t a problem so long as there is empathy.
Seeing that none of the above apply to the Western world, it is only logical to re-evaluate the manner in which the rest of the world associates itself with the destructive and oppressive West.
P.S: The world was much better off when everyone was doing their own thing, sticking to their own cultures. Then came the Westerners, who fucked you cant superficiallyup everything and now expect the rest of the world to bow-down to their cultural and economic imperialism. That ain’t gonna happen.[/QUOTE
No its not illogical…the English language belongs to the West and not the East and yet many in the East have adopted it as a second language and changed aspects of it to suit…You cant superficially teach English without the correct foundations, if it is to be learned correctly.This is no different to Yoga. It can either be taught well, or not.
If one doesn’t already exist, perhaps there should be a Hindu board of Governors that give their approval of Yoga studios practising Hindu Yoga and a separate body for studios that wish to practice it their way’ This would ensure that Hindu Yoga is kept in the limelight it deserves. Now go and do something constructive with your growing anger and set one up. I guess that many will want the Hindu studios 1st, I know I would. Perhaps those deeply religious Christians say, might prefer the non Hindu one.
The flaws of mankind are still clearly evident across the world. You are imagining you can fix this with your approach?
Your last statement is exactly why I said you are not wanting to bring people closer together but are taking steps backwards. And, you will find yourself somewhat alone in your views when India fully gets on the money bandwagon which is happening as we speak.
I think you are doing an injustice to India by assuming that India will not do well with what is chooses to adopt as a financial structure for India. India will adapt itself as it sees fit. It will discard what doesn’t work for its people and embrace what it knows will enhance its peoples lives.
In time, you may even see the West practising Yoga more than the East…this has been discussed before, I know. It is the end of the Dharma as we know it and this is what needs to be addressed. The way to present the Dharma to fit in this new age.
Astrology…as a long time practitioner I can tell you with confidence that this new age will not be embracing religions or anything that divides us…now put your thinking cap on Neeches !!
Whilst agreeing that their two are far apart, the principle stands.
The English language belongs to the English people. It has spread worldwide, as we know, and some people attempt to speak it well but there are many who don’t. We could go into this in depth…the fact remains that I often hear and see the English language being used incorrectly.
Yes. The only reason English is spoken worldwide is because the British pillaged 25% of the world’s landmass and had an ocean-wide empire. But what’s your point?
Yoga belongs to the Hindus…they are just going to have to get used to Westerners interpreting and practising it, their way, making errors along the way, misunderstanding much, or, perhaps getting it right!!!
No, we don’t have to get “used” to it. This is a freaking culture we are talking about, not a language. If there’s ignorance about it, we have to fix that. Spreading one’s cultural practices is nothing more than the spreading tolerance and harmony.
For example, Westerners going around practicing diluted Yoga and being racist towards Indians is a problem that it is all too often seen on these forums; you can’t expect us to get “used” to that; it must be corrected. Need I remind you what has happened to India for the past 1000+ years when it wanted to mind its own business?
Kareng, if you saw me using improper English in my posts, I too would expect you to reprimand me for my horrible conventions.
Most people I know who take up Yoga with little understanding of it know one thing…Yoga comes from India… The people thinking this love the fact it is Indian and that they can be a part of something great that has come from India…you all have it wrong!
No one is saying they can’t be a part of it; all we ask is that you show us some greater respect and understanding for our culture, our present condition, and our ways. Going around saying that “Yoga isn’t Hindu” or that “Yoga predates Hinduism” is insulting and demeaning to every single Indian Hindu on the planet.
You don’t realise that the educated West have a deep respect for Hindu Yoga, for India and for Indian people. We in the west have to cope with ignorance just as you do in the East, but where do you place yourselves? doesn’t your approach put you in the ignorant category?
And what happened to generosity of spirit? Where have you misplaced that?
They don’t Kareng, and that’s the sad truth. Most educated Westerners are intellectually dogmatic and erroneously see India/Hinduism as a pathetic and dying civilization ruled by religious dogma.
Not with respect to this context, no. We are not ignorant in these matters; when we say Westerners don’t deserve to learn our ways, we say it with a deep understanding of history and Western society.
For over 300 years, we Hindus have attempted to spread our ways to create understanding; the result has been more ignorance and hatred.
The truth is that the West can never become spiritual or enlightened unless it lets go of its destructive ways, beginning with Christianity and white supremacy and down to economic systems such as capitalism. But we all know that Hell may as well freeze over before such a thing ever happens.
[QUOTE=kareng;62015]Surya Deva, forget your visions of enlightening the West. It won’t work. The Western world has a barbaric culture and its people are the most ignorant, hateful, racist, mentally retarded, and bigoted people who ever existed in human history. We should be discrediting them, not educating them.
Their ignorance is destroying them day by day. Let them all die the inglorious death they deserve.[/QUOTE]
No Surya, don’t forget your visions…your visions are for the good and important. You are heading on the right track, IMHO.
And no, the West is not a barbaric culture. All wrong can be corrected, but not with hate. It is hate that causes barbaric behaviour.[/QUOTE]
The West indeed has a barbaric culture; even a cursory glance at a history book can tell you that and I have been studying world history for years now.
All wrong cannot possibly be fully corrected; all wrongs can be lessened through various means, sometimes through love, sometimes through hate and violence.
No its not illogical…the English language belongs to the West and not the East and yet many in the East have adopted it as a second language and changed aspects of it to suit…You cant superficially teach English without the correct foundations, if it is to be learned correctly.This is no different to Yoga. It can either be taught well, or not.
Of course the English language belongs to the West, specifically to America and Britain.
The reason many in the East have adopted this language is because:
Colonialism. Britain controlled 25% of the world’s landmass and had the largest ocean empire. The people they subjugated were forced to learn English through the schools/missionary activities they condoned.
Its the lingua franca of business and commerce; again, all due to colonialism and capitalism.
Besides, I do agree English should not be taught without the right foundations. So many ills can be avoided if only there was a systematic and orderly way in which any language is taught.
Have you ever read George Orwell’s “Politics in the English Language?”
Yes, Yoga can be taught well or badly, and that’s the point; it SHOULD be taught “well.” But it isn’t and instead, you have egotistical maniacs running around thinking they know more than Indian Hindus about their own history, language, culture, and society.
If one doesn’t already exist, perhaps there should be a Hindu board of Governors that give their approval of Yoga studios practising Hindu Yoga and a separate body for studios that wish to practice it their way’ This would ensure that Hindu Yoga is kept in the limelight it deserves. Now go and do something constructive with your growing anger and set one up. I guess that many will want the Hindu studios 1st, I know I would. Perhaps those deeply religious Christians say, might prefer the non Hindu one.
There is no such thing as Hindu Yoga as Yoga is already Hindu in nature.
And I want to do no such thing. What I think should be done is to present Yoga along with [U]knowledge[/U] of Indian history and culture. That way, there won’t have white bastards saying racist and ignorant things about India and Indians, such as “dancing is banned in India,” and “India is a very unenlightened society.”
Personally, I don’t think Yoga should be taught to most Christians at all; they are the most ignorant people on the planet and do not deserve to learn the ways of any other cultural group; they cannot and will not respect other religions like every other type of person out there. But that’s besides the point.
The flaws of mankind are still clearly evident across the world. You are imagining you can fix this with your approach?
That’s not my intent.
Your last statement is exactly why I said you are not wanting to bring people closer together but are taking steps backwards. And, you will find yourself somewhat alone in your views when India fully gets on the money bandwagon which is happening as we speak.
What I want to do is to take a step backwards so we can all have the time to solve our own issues and then, get together and form one big happy family.
Think of climbing a mountain. Once you have reached the top, you are further away from everyone else. At the same time, you have gained a new perspective of things.
What’s happening today is reminiscent of domesticated pets being thrown into the wild or 13 year olds being given drivers licenses. Humanity is not ready for some thing or another and yet, is being given those things.
[quote[I think you are doing an injustice to India by assuming that India will not do well with what is chooses to adopt as a financial structure for India. India will adapt itself as it sees fit. It will discard what doesn’t work for its people and embrace what it knows will enhance its peoples lives. [/quote]
That depends. There is still considerable corruption in India. The “secular” party that’s in power is anti-Hindu, a slave of minority groups, and incredibly irresponsible.
Recently, a HUGE corruption scandal was revealed in which billions of dollars were illegal channeled elsewhere.
Anna Hazare was appointed as the head of a new Anti-corruption department due to the massive hunger strikes going across the nation.
I just hope India will one day have the right leaders and the right mindset to get rid of its poverty and adversity once and for all.
But I’m beginning to get doubts about whether such a thing will happen.
In time, you may even see the West practising Yoga more than the East…this has been discussed before, I know. It is the end of the Dharma as we know it and this is what needs to be addressed. The way to present the Dharma to fit in this new age.
You are thinking in stereotypically. You do not know what I know and have not seen what I have seen. You are foolish if you truly think that soon enough, an entire region’s people will be practicing “Yoga” more than the people of a region who have been practicing it for 4000 years.
Hinduism, and its numerous sects and denominations, retain a strong hold in India and are actually reviving.
There is considerable corruption, poverty, and cultural subjugation but there is also a steadily growing number of progressive Hindus who are outraged at their treatment and the problems in their society and are starting to fight back.
Soon enough both sides will clash. May Yama side with the more righteous one.
Astrology…as a long time practitioner I can tell you with confidence that this new age will not be embracing religions or anything that divides us…now put your thinking cap on Neeches !!
I am not at all religious Kareng.
But I will not stand idle while people go around bashing my culture, my identity.
dancing is banned in India
I don’t know how people can believe such things, anyone with a little knowledge knows how popular dancing is all over India. Last time I watched Baba Ramdev on tv, he was dancing with the whole crowd.
A little unrelated, but in the US some girl got suspended from school for doing cartwheels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uofP2eaBzo
LOL :o
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;62054]I don’t know how people can believe such things, anyone with a little knowledge knows how popular dancing is all over India. Last time I watched Baba Ramdev on tv, he was dancing with the whole crowd.
A little unrelated, but in the US some girl got suspended from school for doing cartwheels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uofP2eaBzo
LOL :o[/QUOTE]
Well, the thing that barked this was the leprous dog called Quetzalcoatl. What do you expect it to know?
All sorts of crazy things happen in the U.S. Nowdays, Christ-retards are succeeding in convicing many school districts to adopt Creationist mythology and throw out Evolutionary facts.
I desperately want to move out of America when I grow up before shit hits the fan.
[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;62054]I don’t know how people can believe such things, anyone with a little knowledge knows how popular dancing is all over India. Last time I watched Baba Ramdev on tv, he was dancing with the whole crowd.
A little unrelated, but in the US some girl got suspended from school for doing cartwheels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uofP2eaBzo
LOL :o[/QUOTE]
Articles like this do not help
http://m.timesofindia.com/Now_ban_on_live_bands_in_Bangalore_pubs/articleshow/3348891.cms
Seems localized. I grew up watching movies from India and remember nothing but dancing.
[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;62100]Articles like this do not help
http://m.timesofindia.com/Now_ban_on_live_bands_in_Bangalore_pubs/articleshow/3348891.cms
Seems localized. I grew up watching movies from India and remember nothing but dancing.[/QUOTE]
Unreliable article is unreliable. Bangalore is a major hub of Indian dance and music, from classical to Bollywood.
More hypocrisy, eh, old white redneck geezer? You grew up around Indians and Indian culture and yet, became prejudiced against Indians and Hindus?
Anyone can pull up articles like these delineating fucked up happenings anywhere, like this and this.