Will America become Hindu by the end of the century?

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#281

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;47348]Of course it is flawed. The ideal society would be classless and everybody would be a sage and live the Vedic life. The varna-ashrama system was created for human beings in the kaliyuga as the best possible society for our times. So people can best develop spiritually in the kaliyuga. The capitalist system does not have that purpose in mind at all, it is not about spirituality, but pure greed. This is why all parts of the world that are under it sway are spiritually impoverished. Including modern India.[/QUOTE]

Couldn’t agree with you more…however, we may be wrong!

There are two ways to the divine, one is through suffering, the other through love, loving yourself and all around you.

The suffering type has their ego reduced so low, without fighting, that the channel to the divine opens.

The other method needs the person to have a happy, nice, simple, loving mind.

Both these types will tell you about divine interventions, sights, messages, etc…

The Capitalist can fit into either category.

It is the individuals behavior whilst being a Capitalist that will determine thier spiritual progression.

T

#282

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;47355]Btw if you really are not an idiot you will realise now that I am not a nationalist. I do not believe nation states are absolute. I am a humanist, because I want all of humanity to live united under one culture. Vedic culture.[/QUOTE]

if you really are not an idiot than you know that humanism isn’t compatible with Vedic philosophy. Why bother posting such blatant contradictions? :roll:

#283

There is no contradiction between Vedic philosophy and humanism. You obviously do not know about the Vedic ideal of vasudeva kutumbakum. Thank you for confirming my assessment of you though :wink:

#284

The Capitalist can fit into either category.

It is the individuals behavior whilst being a Capitalist that will determine thier spiritual progression.

T

Capitalism and spirituality are mutually exclusive. Spirituality is based on ennobling the entire world and capitalism is based on exploitation. Capitalism thrives on the relationships of oppression/oppressor; ruled/ruled; employer/employed. It demands that most of the world be poor and few be rich for it to continue.

#285

There are those operating in a Capatalist society that can experience the divine, this is what I am saying…

#286

You can experience the divine anywhere and everywhere in the universe. This is not society related but individual related. However, some societies have more people experiencing the divine because they encourage this. Indian society has historically encouraged this and this is why India has given birth to so many masters, risis, gurus, avatars even to date. On the other hand, in Western society this has not only been discouraged, but mystics have been persecuted and executed, hence this the West has prooduced few masters, risis, gurus and avatars.

#287

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;47360]There is no contradiction between Vedic philosophy and humanism. You obviously do not know about the Vedic ideal of vasudeva kutumbakum. Thank you for confirming my assessment of you though :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasudhaiva_Kutumbakam[/QUOTE]

No rational humanist subscribes to your Hindutva propaganda.
(& you con’t to confirm that)

#288

I am not Hindutva. End of discussion :wink:

#289

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;47365]You can experience the divine anywhere and everywhere in the universe. This is not society related but individual related. However, some societies have more people experiencing the divine because they encourage this. Indian society has historically encouraged this and this is why India has given birth to so many masters, risis, gurus, avatars even to date. On the other hand, in Western society this has not only been discouraged, but mystics have been persecuted and executed, hence this the West has prooduced few masters, risis, gurus and avatars.[/QUOTE]

Evidence plskthx

#290

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;47384]I am not Hindutva. End of discussion ;)[/QUOTE]

the ample evidence provided in your posts says you are. End of Discussion :smiley:

#291

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;47354]Many Western intellectually criticise the West, but they still live in the West and live by its traditions, so what is your point? I have no choice but to live according to the Western tradition. I was born and brought up in a Western and capitalist society. I was socialised within this culture. This does not mean I cannot be critical of this society and culture.

And why on earth would I go to India to have an average job with an average household, when I can have a good job, with a good income and good household and living standards here. Modern India is also a capitalist country, so why would I go from one capitalist country to another, that too a lesser developed capitalist country? If my aim is to better my wealth and living standards, I would be foolish to go to India. This is why Indians prefer going abroad.

The India that I admire is the pre-modern India prior to to being subverted by Abrahamic ideology. The India of today barely resembles it. Now, I don’t have a time machine so I can’t go to the India of pre-modern times.

My goals are bigger than India. India is after all just a land, a land that is associated with a lot of sacred activity, but nonetheless still a land. My goal is to bring back the Vedic age — all over the world - not just India. I want to see the fall of the Abrahamic world and the rise of the Dharmic world. India is small fry in this mission.[/QUOTE]

I agree. At the same time, Indians nowadays who are going abroad simply want to get a good education, get a good job, get tons of money, go back to India, convert it into rupees, and live a good life. Trust me, my dad is the boss of a Consulting company. He knows the stats and everything.

#292

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;47362]Capitalism and spirituality are mutually exclusive. Spirituality is based on ennobling the entire world and capitalism is based on exploitation. Capitalism thrives on the relationships of oppression/oppressor; ruled/ruled; employer/employed. It demands that most of the world be poor and few be rich for it to continue.[/QUOTE]

Because of capitalism, almost everyone in the US can afford an automobile.

Sure, some greedy so-and-sos made some big bucks off all the car sales, and that’s too darn bad for those who are the jealous types, but what they don’t realize is how their quest for profit put this amazing convenience in the hands of the masses at an affordable price.

It does not mean one has to be poor for someone else to be rich. That’s the realm of socialism and communism. With capitalism, we are all enriched and all brought to higher levels.

#293

[QUOTE=thomas;47407]Because of capitalism, almost everyone in the US can afford an automobile.

Sure, some greedy so-and-sos made some big bucks off all the car sales, and that’s too darn bad for those who are the jealous types, but what they don’t realize is how their quest for profit put this amazing convenience in the hands of the masses at an affordable price.

It does not mean one has to be poor for someone else to be rich. That’s the realm of socialism and communism. With capitalism, we are all enriched and all brought to higher levels.[/QUOTE]

And eventually brought down because of the cultivation of vices that capitalism ultimately has to promote for it to work. :smiley:

#294

Hindu Dharma has been supported by science and rooted in the perception of reality, reaching past a reductionist framework to an intuitive awareness of the unity of life. It promotes interdependence in the world & a plethora of manifestations & cycles of change and transformation. The universe is spiritual, direction, explanation of ordinary facts, human actions, changes & human relationships & problems may be grasped when we acknowledge how they are embedded in the cosmic organism & are directed by the Absolute/Brahman. They play a part in the Universe & a soul’s realization over time.

If you don’t grasp this, you just don’t get it.

#295

Yes, but can they afford their own private jet :wink:

The gap between the rich and poor has widened over time, not reduced. The rich and powerful which constitute an elite club of 1% of the world population own about 90% of the worlds economy. They are so powerful they can buy out entire countries.

The middle class gets peanuts and the middle class is not a sustainable class. We can see the illusion of the middle class shatter right before our eyes, as middle class families are facing mass foreclosures and are coming to the level of the man on the street. The economic depression that the West is facing now is seeing big drops in the standard of living of middle class people, and these drops are going to get worse and worser.

The reality is that if the 1% rich and powerful shared only 5% of their wealth with the 99% of the world poverty could be wiped out alll over this planet. If the 1% of the rich and powerful shared their wealth equally all over the planet everybody would be living a very good standard of life.

Why does this not happen? Because like I said capitalism thrives on exploitation. It demands an exploited class in order to keep the exploiter distinct from them. Equality is anthema to capitalism.

#296

I don’t think your figures are accurate at all. If the wealthy redistributed ALL their wealth, we would hardly notice it.

I as someone of modest means have food, conveniences, and luxuries that kings could not have commanded a couple hundred years ago.

#297

It is a blatant fact that few rich and powerful families in the world such as the Rockefellers, Rothchilds, Warburgs own pretty much all the capital in the world. Do you know who owns America really? Heard of the federal reserves? America has long been sold to these rich bankers. They thrive in situations like wars and economic crisis.

The reality of capitalism is out there in plain sight. It is a vile system of running the world and creates poverty, inequality and war. Why is there poverty in America? It is the richest country in the world. Answer: capitalism.

#298

Why do the poor in our country get welfare checks?

Answer: Capitalism has made the US so rich, we can even pay people who contribute nothing.

#299

It is a blatant fact that few rich and powerful families in the world such as the Rockefellers, Rothchilds, Warburgs own pretty much all the capital in the world.

If this is truly a “blatant fact,” then coming up with the figures to support your assertion should be a simple matter.

But I think if you added up the capital of the masses and compared it to the capital of the weathy, the capital of the wealthy would be a very tiny amount.

#300

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