Will America become Hindu by the end of the century?

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#101

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;38942]Nice, but fail.

The attacks on Christians etc are isolated cases of violence, which are not at all representative of 1 billion Hindus. Moreover, these are reactionary attacks against Christian fundamentalism and terrorism in India and are obviously expected.

The “Hindu violence towards their own people” this is isolated cases of violence by people who profess themselves to be Hindus. To report this “Hindu violence” is as valid as reporting that yesterdays robbery at the one of the local shops is “Christian violence” because the robber was Christian.

Inquisitions, crusades and witch burnings were not isolated cases of violence simply done by people who professed to be Christianis. It was directly ordained by the religious authorities citing directly the hate doctrine from the Bible which says in no uncertain terms to kill, stone, burn to death and murder non believers, idolators, sorcerers and witches, and women who are adulterous or non-virgins.

There is no equivalent in Hinduism and Buddhism of inquisitions, crudades and witch burnings because the scriptures of this religion do not preach hate doctrines against non-believers. On the contrary, they teach universal ahimsa, to think, act or speak violently against others, animals or the environment. They enjoin you to speak sweetly and softly to others and not to hate anybody. Furthermore, they teach you to form your own beliefs based on your own experience and intellect and thus are highly tolerant of others beliefs.[/QUOTE]

Seconded. Not only because Surya’s answer is convincing, because I had also investigated this case myself. Hinduism today is only a weaker and corrupted shell of Vedic times. Any reference to current Hinduism does not represent the Hindu wisdom clad in Vedic tradition. And America is now on the way of revitalizing that ancient Vedic civilization. All the evidences inexorably signal this becoming.

#102

[QUOTE=High Wolf;38959]Seconded. Not only because Surya’s answer is convincing, because I had also investigated this case myself. Hinduism today is only a weaker and corrupted shell of Vedic times. Any reference to current Hinduism does not represent the Hindu wisdom clad in Vedic tradition. And America is now on the way of revitalizing that ancient Vedic civilization. All the evidences inexorably signal this becoming.[/QUOTE]

So I guess we could add second question: will India become Hindu by the end of the century? :wink:

#103

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;38942]
Inquisitions, crusades and witch burnings were not isolated cases of violence simply done by people who professed to be Christianis. It was directly ordained by the religious authorities citing directly the hate doctrine from the Bible which says in no uncertain terms to kill, stone, burn to death and murder non believers, idolators, sorcerers and witches, and women who are adulterous or non-virgins.

Furthermore, they teach you to form your own beliefs based on your own experience and intellect and thus are highly tolerant of others beliefs.[/QUOTE]

Let me start by stating the last line is complete bullshit.

As for the other selected quote: subjugating large populations of your own culture and entrenching that in your religion is exactly the same as any inquisition, crusade or witch burning. In fact, it’s worse - it’s damned cowardly. Better, I suppose, to pick on the weakest members of your society. To place those of ‘darker’ skin tone below you and brand them as untouchable to be scorned and abused. To kill your female babies because they do not conform to master’s wishes and be male. To marry off your child brides because they are to powerless to say no.

This illustrates the weakness of the society. They didn’t go outside their own borders because they were afraid to. Had they faced the barbarian christians they would have had the shit kicked out of them sincerely, which eventually happened when the British sauntered in easily. And the barbarians would not have only focused on the weak. They would have taken aim squarely at the strong (that’s not saying much, if their behaviour is any judge), knocked them down a few pegs, and laid them on the doorsteps of the very castes they shat on (who would most probably have taken care of them).

So, your failure is now complete young Jedi. Now, join the forces of the dark side.

#104

[QUOTE=kareng;38925]Yulaw says to Kareng…And I have to ask, who the heck brought Buddhism into this? It was not in the OP.

Hey yulaw what about your inclusions of Buddhism ?like the opening of one sentence?Just think Mongol and then say that again, I know that they were not Hindu or Buddhist.
Oops You, like me have put Hindu and Buddhist together

And then there is your next inclusion?.Oh and as a note?. As far as Tibet goes? Hinduism had little to do with it?. However Buddhism had a lot to do with it and to be honest I am hard pressed to think of a more civilized group as a whole than Buddhists??
Oops , again you have done it

And then, Surya Deva?? ?Whenever people make this argument that all religions and all cultures have a history of violence and war I simply ask them. Please point out the Hindu and Buddhist crusades, inquisitions, witch burnings and genocides. Then they go silent"?..here, he joins the two.
I join the two together too Yulaw

Then you have put?? If the OP wanted to make a post that said Hindu ideology and philosophy was being accepted by more in the west then that is true? and then you put ?If you wish to change the rules and the argument as you go along to support your position then go for it but expect to be called on it."

Well , as the originator of the post was Surya Deva, I think he is allowed to clarify what he meant by the title of his thread?he set out to make it clear to you a while ago with this…

“I think Yulaw has missed the point of the OP. That is not America would become Hindu by converting to Hinduism, but culturally it will become Hindu. The articles I cited there said “Were all Hindus now” not that Americans have converted to Hinduism formally, but culturally” and then Surya Deva comments on Buddhism as well?? Whenever people make this argument that all religions and all cultures have a history of violence and war I simply ask them. Please point out the Hindu and Buddhist crusades, inquisitions, witch burnings and genocides. Then they go silent?.here he joins the two.

Yulaw? Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.
– Plato[/QUOTE]

Actually Buddhism was mentioned in the post long before I brought it up adn that is why I was asking since it was not in the OP. And did you even bother to read post #93?

So if you want to actually answer the question then please by all means do, if you do not and you wish to and wish to continue the sarcasm and trollish behavior then you may want to read my quote you posted and work to understand it,

Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.

#105

Flexi…Ha your a necessary scream on this thread !!!
I like to correct errors did you see that previous one…error made…imp as I didnt say the quote flexipenguin

#106

[QUOTE=kareng;38969]Flexi…Ha your a necessary scream on this thread !!!
I like to correct errors did you see that previous one…error made…imp as I didnt say the quote flexipenguin[/QUOTE]

I picked up the error Karen.

#107

I would like to state the following TO YULAW

The only way you can get rid of me is to strike me down with lightening or expose me to the sun where i will then turn to stone

i am now taking my slow dim witted ugly man eating self off to my cave

Troll out

#108

[QUOTE=kareng;38972]I would like to state the following TO YULAW

The only way you can get rid of me is to strike me down with lightening or expose me to the sun where i will then turn to stone

i am now taking my slow dim witted ugly man eating self off to my cave

Troll out[/QUOTE]

Me thinks the person doth protest too much

I am not trying to get rid of you, just asking a question and stating how I feel based on how it looks to me. Whether you go or stay is up to you and of little concern to me.

#109

Yulaw it was a joke …come on try to smile a little…just playing (the above are all the mythical details about trolls)

#110

[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;38964]Let me start by stating the last line is complete bullshit.

As for the other selected quote: subjugating large populations of your own culture and entrenching that in your religion is exactly the same as any inquisition, crusade or witch burning. In fact, it’s worse - it’s damned cowardly. Better, I suppose, to pick on the weakest members of your society. To place those of ‘darker’ skin tone below you and brand them as untouchable to be scorned and abused. To kill your female babies because they do not conform to master’s wishes and be male. To marry off your child brides because they are to powerless to say no.[/quote]

This whole argument is a strawman. As nothing like this ever happened in Hindu India, I do not have to respond to it.

This illustrates the weakness of the society. They didn’t go outside their own borders because they were afraid to. Had they faced the barbarian christians they would have had the shit kicked out of them sincerely, which eventually happened when the British sauntered in easily. And the barbarians would not have only focused on the weak. They would have taken aim squarely at the strong (that’s not saying much, if their behaviour is any judge), knocked them down a few pegs, and laid them on the doorsteps of the very castes they shat on (who would most probably have taken care of them).

Another strawman. Read up on Indian history and it will become clear they went well beyond their borders. Here is a pointer: Read up on the Sri Vijaya empire to begin with. As for having the shit kicked out of them? Read on Alexandra’s attempted invasion of India and how he ran away when faced with the superior Indian army, not only that, he gave up his previously captured territory to India. The British invasion of India was no cake walk either, they had to fight wars with powerful Indian kings, and even lost some wars.

#111

Yeah. Right. Lol

#112

[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;39004]Yeah. Right. Lol[/QUOTE]

Hey, not my fault you know so little about Indian history. If you did, you would not make so many ignorant statements.

There has been no time in Hindu history where there has been a clergy. So there goes the caste-system myth in the air. There was, however, a class system which existed in various forms depending on the ruling king throughout Indian history.

Do you realise how extensive the history of India is, or do you think there was no history prior to the British? :smiley: There have been as many as 10 different powerful empires throughout Indian history.

There is a history of India before the British you know :wink:

#113

Middle kingdoms of India refers to the political entities in India from the 2nd century BC after the decline of the Maurya Empire, and the corresponding rise of the Satavahana dynasty, beginning with Simuka, from 230 BC. This is known as the classical period of India, during which India is estimated to have had the largest economy of the ancient and medieval world controlling between one third and one fourth of the world's wealth.

Click on the side table and click show for a drop down list of the empires

#114

Should the question actually be:

Will America become Hindu again by the end of the century?

http://www.shvoong.com/humanities/history/1920930-hindu-america-hindu-imprints-america/

#115

I am laughing at this …proper belly chuckling lol scream

Why am I laughing?

Im laughing cos u know how to stir it up Surya Deva

And here I am again flexipenguin…less than 5 minutes !!!ha at least you last a few hours!!

#116

There is now scientific evidence for OBE, NDE and reincarnation, which collectively prove all the core tenets of Hinduism. This gives Hinduism scientific credibility.

What is the scientific evidence for reincarnation?

#117

I was a mushroom in my old life. A real fungi.

#118

Here are some videos about Hindu rituals:

http://www.experiencefestival.com/wp/videos/hinduism-rituals

I do not wish to make a point here. I post these videos just for curiosity.

#119

I used to banter with you all in my previous life…here I am again
Some people just never learn!

#120

[QUOTE=thomas;39084]What is the scientific evidence for reincarnation?[/QUOTE]

None, zero, zilch! It’s ALL made up. Just like heaven and hell. Just like Astrology. Just like Unicorns. No scientific evidence anywhere. See, aren’t you glad I’m here to tell you the truth?