[QUOTE=YogiAdam;39762]None, zero, zilch! It’s ALL made up. Just like heaven and hell. Just like Astrology. Just like Unicorns. No scientific evidence anywhere. See, aren’t you glad I’m here to tell you the truth?[/QUOTE]
Aww they said the same thing to Alfred Wegene in 1912 the when he tried to tell people about continental drift…aka Plate Tectonics? and don?t get me started on what they told Galileo 
[QUOTE=Yulaw;39766]Aww they said the same thing to Alfred Wegene in 1912 the when he tried to tell people about continental drift…aka Plate Tectonics? and don?t get me started on what they told Galileo :p[/QUOTE]
The difference is Galileo was a scientist with evidence… EVIDENCE being the operative word here. You can’t just believe in fairies and Unicorns and say ‘but they didn’t believe Galileo either’. Galileo had evidence… wasn’t that the question asked?
[QUOTE=YogiAdam;39768]The difference is Galileo was a scientist with evidence… EVIDENCE being the operative word here. You can’t just believe in fairies and Unicorns and say ‘but they didn’t believe Galileo either’. Galileo had evidence… wasn’t that the question asked?[/QUOTE]
I’m in a strange mood today and I was just being silly, hence the smilie
But now that I think about this, and unicorns aside, my point could have been that there are things that science simply has not yet figured out a way to prove or disprove beyond the saying we can’t prove it so it does not exist. Or saying we can prove it, we’re right and you are wrong. Science got smarter and was able to prove things previously said to be wrong and disprove things they previously said were right. This is what happened with plate tectonics, elements, ether, stars, planetary rotations and orbits just to name a few.
And Alfred Wagnerwas a meteorologist and other scientists told him he was wrong
I am not arguing for or against a supreme being I am saying that just because science cannot prove something or disprove something and makes a statement about that thing does not necessarily mean that science is right
Ha Dont believe him Thomas…he was a non believer in his previous life, I saw it in his birth chart!! I have missed you Yogiadam
I think that Flexpenguin is quite right.
The Sikh community in Canada opened a multimedia center, close to Toronto.
They report atrocities in India, like killings of unborn girls and honour killings:
The Times of India reports about honour killings like "a war against love" :
These are NOT ISOLATED cases at all. They are systematic, grand scale. These sorts of people threaten even to cut the water supply to New Delhi.
No more blah blah blah about isolatec cases. Indian newspapers are quite alarmed about that.
IMHO you have to put your house in order before trying to give lessons to others.
[QUOTE=kareng;39777]Ha Dont believe him Thomas…he was a non believer in his previous life, I saw it in his birth chart!! I have missed you Yogiadam[/QUOTE]
You missed me? Really? I though I was a pain in the bum. Well I missed you too.
I think I can conclude this thread once and for all. Will America become Hindu by the end of the century? (drum roll)… No.
[QUOTE=Hubert;35345]This is a very superficial way of looking at those religions you call abrahamic. And you probably count christianity as abrahamic. Which is maybe partly true. The essence of christianity for example in my opinion is clearly outside the abrahamic limitations you name (wheter if one accepts your list or not - probably you are yet again only right from a certain limited point of view).
Yet, I give you a quote frm the wikipedia article on Thomas Merton.
“[I]In January 1938 [/I][I]Thomas Merton[/I][I] graduated from Columbia with a [/I][I]B.A.[/I][I] in English. After graduation he continued at Columbia, doing graduate work in English. In June, a friend, Seymour Freedgood, arranged a meeting with Mahanambrata Brahmachari, a [/I][I]Hindu[/I][I] monk in New York visiting from the [/I][I]University of Chicago[/I][I]. Merton was very impressed by the man, seeing that he was profoundly centered in God, and expected him to recommend his beliefs and religion to them in some manner. Instead, Brahmachari recommended that they reconnect with their own spiritual roots and traditions. He suggested Merton read The [/I][I]Confessions[/I][I] of [/I][I]Augustine[/I][I] and [/I][I]The Imitation of Christ[/I][I]. Although Merton was surprised to hear the monk recommending Catholic books, he read them both. He also started to pray again regularly.”[/I]
Now, if one of the best hindus can do this, is a little more tolerance too much to be expected on your side ?
PS. My conviction is in not of the name of political correctness. You only assumed that I spoke on the behalf of that. My conviction is that every existing religious form is part of the divine plan, - one that might have actually been the main theme during a certain age -, and I find the position of being footed in one of them, while regarding the others as human distortions, baseless myths or legends, to be a very limited one. I never said they are not any diferent or they are equal. I said, they are all true, which is mindboggling to think into, yet not impossible. The limitations can be that of your own mind, and not necessarily being the limitations of your accused targets.
And while you depict hindusim to be a tolerant religion, yet you fail to account to the bloodshed between hindu and muslim. You probably say it’s not hinduism’s fault, but that of people’s. Than apply the same measure when you blame other religions for perescuting others. And I even give you that some religions are more prone to be violently applied. This does not change the fact that they are transcendental in origin, and were/are still part of the divine plan. Just as you do not measure a human being only by his/her errors, but if you want to be impartial, you will try to see his/her virtues, similarly, this is the right attitude to be applied in comparative religion too. If not, one becomes like the man, who falls in love with a woman, and than starts to scorn and scoff at any other woman. How elegant is that behaviour ? The honest thing is to give the best of your attention to your beloved, and leave others alone. Anyway, I rest my case just to save time for other matters. I pray that you’ll be graced by a little more open mind, more appreciation for good wherever it is present, and less attention to the faults of others.[/QUOTE]
Hubert, your post has so much depth and humanity !
In my opinion you are right. America will not become Hindu ...by the end of many centuries.
America does not like burning books and even authors of books:
Like I said before, as there is no clergy in Hinduism, there is no official body that represents Hinduism. So the actions of a political party in India does not represent Hinduism.
Frankly, what you are saying here is stupid. I could start citing the actions of many individual Christians, including pastors and priests like you are doing with Hinduism, and make a similar stupid argument that this is representative of Christianity. Fortunately, I have more intellect than that and can clearly see Christianity is not represented by the actions of a few individuals. As I said earlier, if somebody robs a bank and they turn out to be Christian, would it be right to say this is an example of Christian crime or violence?
Wise up.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;40420]Like I said before, as there is no clergy in Hinduism, there is no official body that represents Hinduism. So the actions of a political party in India does not represent Hinduism.
Frankly, what you are saying here is stupid. I could start citing the actions of many individual Christians, including pastors and priests like you are doing with Hinduism, and make a similar stupid argument that this is representative of Christianity. Fortunately, I have more intellect than that and can clearly see Christianity is not represented by the actions of a few individuals. As I said earlier, if somebody robs a bank and they turn out to be Christian, would it be right to say this is an example of Christian crime or violence?
Wise up.[/QUOTE]
You use the reverse argument time and time and time and time again to depict the ‘abrahamic’ religions as inferior to hinduism. Now, that’s stupid.
I’ve already answered this question. It’s no. No need to argue the point any further lol
1% of the US population is Hindu, so they have a ways to go.
[QUOTE=FlexPenguin;40424]You use the reverse argument time and time and time and time again to depict the ‘abrahamic’ religions as inferior to hinduism. Now, that’s stupid.[/QUOTE]
Nope, not quite the same. Christianity does have a clergy and they are representative of their religion. Interesting how the pope allowed child molestation to go on by his fellow priests. This is suppose to be the the most representative person in Christianity. A big shame on Christianity.
Well, let the FACTS speak of themselves.
The burning of books at the University of Mumbai:
was done by members of the Shiv Sena Party. Who are they:
I see here that:
they are a far right political party
have a Hindu nationalist agenda
were allied with Bharatiya Party
was a coalition partner in the National Democratic Alliance CABINET,
which RULED INDIA 1998-2004
has a history of violence against Muslims
attacked the offices of CNN
you can read here even how many seats they had in Parliament
etc etc
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;40484]Nope, not quite the same. Christianity does have a clergy and they are representative of their religion. Interesting how the pope allowed child molestation to go on by his fellow priests. This is suppose to be the the most representative person in Christianity. A big shame on Christianity.[/QUOTE]
The pope did not “allow” this, you nincompoop.
And most of the abuse did not involve children, but consenting teenagers, not that that is good either, but it wasn’t “child abuse.”
Yes, shame on those who abused their positions of authority, but not on the vast majority of good men who selflessly serve and sacrifice for the sake of God and their fellow men and women.
Keep up with comments like this, and if you’re any kind of Hindu spokesperson, the Hindu populaition will be down to .1 % by the end of the century. You will gain no sympathy by unfairly bashing other religions.
The facts speak for the fact that this nationalist party exists. Tell me which country in the world does not have a nationalist party? The America has the KKK, the UK has the BMP.
India has the Shiva Sena.
What exactly is your point and what does it have to do with this thread?
[QUOTE=thomas;40494]The pope did not “allow” this, you nincompoop.
And most of the abuse did not involve children, but consenting teenagers, not that that is good either, but it wasn’t “child abuse.”
Haha, trust you to defend and justify the abuse. Keep up with comments like this, and if you’re any kind of Christian spokesperson, the Christian population will but be gone by the end of the century. Like it has already in Europe with most people rejecting the Church and Church attendance falling to record lows. The only thing keeping them going is Yoga 
20-30 million Americans today - 60-100 million Americans by the end of the year
Christianity is on its way out.
[QUOTE=thomas;40494]The pope did not “allow” this, you nincompoop.
And most of the abuse did not involve children, but consenting teenagers, not that that is good either, but it wasn’t “child abuse.”
Yes, shame on those who abused their positions of authority, but not on the vast majority of good men who selflessly serve and sacrifice for the sake of God and their fellow men and women.
Keep up with comments like this, and if you’re any kind of Hindu spokesperson, the Hindu populaition will be down to .1 % by the end of the century. You will gain no sympathy by unfairly bashing other religions.[/QUOTE]
The pope…No he just swept the great numbers of abuse, under the carpet… until forced
If the ‘children’ were ‘consenting adults’…there wouldn’t have been any complaints by the people abused, would there?
Every, Every, Every single person I have met who went to a Catholic school, between 1940’s and 1970’s (their age groups) were abused to the extent it left them permanently psychologically damaged. If I am saying that, just me, I wonder what the numbers might be in terms of the vast majority you state. …I married one, all his family, personal friends, and acquaintances!!!
It cost 12 million pounds to bring the pope to Britain recently. As a holy man, knowing there was a disaster of huge scale in Pakistan, crying out for help…he should have donated his money to them…or maybe to the numerous starving children in parts of Africa. Instead, he waved, said a number of lengthy statements, directed at the piece of paper he was reading, totally diconnected from his audience, I didnt detect warmth, just statements…what a waste of money!!