Will America become Hindu by the end of the century?

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#141

[QUOTE=kareng;40516]The pope…No he just swept the great numbers of abuse, under the carpet… until forced

If the ‘children’ were ‘consenting adults’…there wouldn’t have been any complaints by the people abused, would there?

Every, Every, Every single person I have met who went to a Catholic school, between 1940’s and 1970’s (their age groups) were abused to the extent it left them permanently psychologically damaged. If I am saying that, just me, I wonder what the numbers might be in terms of the vast majority you state. …I married one, all his family, personal friends, and acquaintances!!!

It cost 12 million pounds to bring the pope to Britain recently. As a holy man, knowing there was a disaster of huge scale in Pakistan, crying out for help…he should have donated his money to them…or maybe to the numerous starving children in parts of Africa. Instead, he waved, said a number of lengthy statements, directed at the piece of paper he was reading, totally diconnected from his audience, I didnt detect warmth, just statements…what a waste of money!![/QUOTE]

What do you expect from an organization the took 400 years to forgive Galileo and admit the sun does not orbit around the earth.

#142

I’m not surprised this has turned into a Catholic-bashing fest.

It happens everytime and everywhere, regardless of the “love” proclaimed by the bashers.

And you are almost entirely ignorant of the facts regarding Galileo, Yulaw.

#143

While in many threads I have been a supporter of Catholicism this is one area I do not. While the Pope didn’t give his blessing for the clergy to go abuse, he did nothing to stop it. Neither did the Pope before him, or before him. It has been swept under the carpet for far too many years. Too many lives have been ruined or lost due to this abuse. When a priest was thought to be engaging in abuse or someone complained, they simply moved the priest out of the parish and sent him to a retreat center, only to return to do the same thing over and over. We need to ask why would the church let this go on? Fear is the answer. Fear and shame.

Sorry Thomas, I know how religious you are, but this whole topic of abuse has struck a nerve in me. I know there are many good priests out there. I have no doubt. But children, teens and adults trust these men. After all, they are close to God. But they are mortal too and can sin. And they have. The abuse scandal is just one of those things the Catholic church needs to own up to and find a way to make amends and to keep it from happening again. Perhaps allowing priests to marry?

And gosh darnit, I just noticed I’m in the religious forum. This is the second time in 2 weeks I disobeyed myself and posted here. Off to my room!

#144

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;40499][QUOTE=thomas;40494]The pope did not “allow” this, you nincompoop.

Haha, trust you to defend and justify the abuse. Keep up with comments like this, and if you’re any kind of Christian spokesperson, the Christian population will but be gone by the end of the century. Like it has already in Europe with most people rejecting the Church and Church attendance falling to record lows. The only thing keeping them going is Yoga :wink:

20-30 million Americans today - 60-100 million Americans by the end of the year :wink:

Christianity is on its way out.[/QUOTE]

I’m growing weary of your distortions, arrogance, and obnoxiousness.

Please do not misrepresent me. I didn’t “defend” anything. I just corrected what you said because it was wrong.

I can’t speak for other religions. Catholics go to Church to receive the Sacraments, mainly the Eucharist, which is not and cannot be in yoga.

I don’t do yoga to go to Church and don’t need it for that purpose, but I would defend my asana practice if another Catholic in ingorance criticized it.

You may as a representative of Hinduism take all the credit you like for my asana practice. Inflate your ego to the max (if that hasn’t happened already). I don’t really care about your boasting and credit-taking. But I am a little disturbed by your need to go further than your own religion and strike out against other faiths. I prefer to see what is good and true in all faiths, including Hinduism, and wouldn’t go out of my way to insult other believers in other faiths (as seems to be a sport of yours). You need to learn what “charity” means.

#145

[QUOTE=thomas;40536]
And you are almost entirely ignorant of the facts regarding Galileo, Yulaw.[/QUOTE]
Facts = bashing that is an interesting take on it :rolleyes:

I am stating a fact; historically speaking it was 350 years after the death of Galileo that the Catholic Church forgave him for saying that the sun, not the earth, was the center of the Universe. He was then sentenced to life imprisonment in a Roman dungeon which was later commuted to placing him under house arrest… for the rest of his life

Galileo (1564-1642) - Forgiven 1992

So I should not have said 400, sorry I was doing a bit of mathematical rounding, and I should have said 350… However I do not believe that constitutes being called “entirely ignorant of the facts”. Other than the 350 years thing am I missing something, if so please educate me on Galileo and the Catholic Church

#146

For those who are fair-minded and not simply looking for dirt on the Catholic Church, which is so often the case, here’s an article about priestly abuse. I’ll see if I can find something about whether the Popes covered anything up, but it would be nice to see some proof and not just an accusation:

http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2002/0211fea2.asp

For those interested in the truth about the Galileo incident, and not in perpetuating myths, please see this article:

http://www.catholic.com/library/Galileo_Controversy.asp

Please note that in the US alone, over 3,000 babies are killed each day, all legally and in the name of “choice.” The Catholic Church is one of the few voices that stands in opposition to this moral outrage and disgrace, and many who gleefully point at a few bad apples in the Church, turn a blind eye to, or even applaud the injustice done to the unborn.

The Church is not all bad.

But sometimes bad people, even in places of authority, infect the Church. We are all sinners. But that there are sinners in the Church does not invalidate the Church, does not invalidate the Sacraments, does not change the fact that those who recieve Holy Communion receive the Body and Blood of Christ, and does not invalidate the fact that there are many good holy people in the church.

Too many are eager to look at a couple of warts and define the Church by the warts instead of by the immense beauty and goodness.

#147

[QUOTE=thomas;40545]

For those interested in the truth about the Galileo incident, and not in perpetuating myths, please see this article:

http://www.catholic.com/library/Galileo_Controversy.asp

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The truth as put forth by who… oh wait…Catholic.com… not exactly a source I would take as the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth since they were the ones that…well… sentenced to life imprisonment for disagreeing with them and were ultimately proven wrong and later decided to forgive him

And you may want to take note that I never said torture and I never said harsh imprisonment I did say he was then sentenced to life imprisonment in a Roman dungeon which was later commuted to placing him under house arrest? so is that a myth?or truth?

And I love this line

Had the Catholic Church rushed to endorse Galileo?s views?and there were many in the Church who were quite favorable to them?the Church would have embraced what modern science has disproved.

Damn to bad everyone agree with what Einstein said because Quantum physics says he’s not exactly right in all cases… we just shouldn’t have listened to him?

But that above quote is in the article after this one

It is a good thing that the Church did not rush to embrace Galileo?s views, because it turned out that his ideas were not entirely correct, either. Galileo believed that the sun was not just the fixed center of the solar system but the fixed center of the universe. We now know that the sun is not the center of the universe and that it does move?it simply orbits the center of the galaxy rather than the earth

But you have to admit Galileo was one heck of a lot closer to correct than an earth centric view of the church now wasn’t he. It seems to me that from a galaxy point of view he is spot on and from an earth centric Point of view you are wrong on both the galactic and universal level

There are other rather interesting statements in that article but I really don’t much care

You might want to look here or just read the quote that follows

The Holy Office also has an international group of consultants, experienced scholars of theology and canon law, who advise it on specific questions. In 1616 these consultants gave their assessment of the propositions that the Sun is immobile and at the center of the universe and that the Earth moves around it, judging both to be “foolish and absurd in philosophy,” and the first to be “formally heretical” and the second “at least erroneous in faith” in theology. This assessment led to Copernicus’s De Revolutionibus Orbium Coelestium to be placed on the Index of Forbidden Books, until revised and Galileo to be admonished about his Copernicanism. It was this same body in 1633 that tried Galileo.

#148

[QUOTE=SohamYogaStudio;35196]"Will America become Hindu by the end of the century? "
This can happen depends on the way you look at word “hindu”.

If here hindu means ancient eastern way of thinking then yes it may possible.

Please note that i used ancient word because today’s indian mindset is almost on the verge of falling towards western mindset. Therefore in India affinity towards Yoga is declining . In west people are more attracted to it. Here by yoga I mean yogic lifestyle and not only just asanas. Yoga covers so many other things than asana.

Indian have been living in spirituality and found that they have got nothing like what west have achieved. And west have found that after achieving everything they found nothing that can give peace to them.

Both reached to their extremes and now moving in opposite direction. This is how people behave , they are never satisfy with what they have and keep on moving towards mirage that never comes.

Both should understand that it is not physical world that can keep them happy but it is inner self that should be very well understood. By simply becoming hindu peace or ecstacy can not be gained and neither by having all physical luxury of the west.

east and west both missing the presence of inner self. Of course there have been people who have transcended after knowing this.[/QUOTE]

In my opinion, this is a very good and deep post.

A question of detail though: how many Indians from India actually practice yoga ? I have read somewhere that 20 million people practice yoga in America.

#149

[QUOTE=thomas;40545]

The Church is not all bad.

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How can the Church be bad when just a few days ago canonized Saint Andre, a Catholic from Montreal ?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/quebec/brother-andr-the-rocket-richard-of-miracles/article1757982/

He performed thousands and thousands of miraclea and healed thousands of people.

The same with Padre Pio, a rather recent Catholic saint.

What “theoretical interpretation” can measure up with the miracles produced by the Christian faith ?

#150

The truth as put forth by who… oh wait…Catholic.com… not exactly a source I would take as the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth since they were the ones that…well… sentenced to life imprisonment for disagreeing with them and were ultimately proven wrong and later decided to forgive him

Catholic.com, a lay organization that’s probably 20 years old sentenced someone to imprisonment? Interesting…

But yeah, it’s not really fair to let the accused speak for itself. It’s only fair to seek out the detractors and bashers, and there are many, and see their “truth.”

The problem with Galelio was that he was going beyond the realm of science and dabbling with doctrine.

But I don’t think you care about that. You want dirt, and there are plenty who will supply distortions and outright lies and give you the ammunition you want.

#151

[QUOTE=oak333;40556]How can the Church be bad when just a few days ago canonized Saint Andre, a Catholic from Montreal ?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/quebec/brother-andr-the-rocket-richard-of-miracles/article1757982/

He performed thousands and thousands of miraclea and healed thousands of people.

The same with Padre Pio, a rather recent Catholic saint.

What "theoretical interpretation" can measure up with the miracles produced by the Christian faith ?[/QUOTE]

Sorry, we're not interested in good things the Catholic Church does, or good Catholics. We only want to focus on the bad. :wink:

#152

To have a completely non judgmental approach to all faiths is impossible because of the flaws they all contain. I think my peace and balance will only come about by knowing nothing about them…giving them no consideration whatsoever, not joining any of them.

Ive decided that the way I used to be was the best way. This is what I think the inner Guru, the divine wants because the rest is just ego. Yes there are wonderful insights to the path but then theres simplicity. All I do know is that the inner grows larger when you have nothing in your mind…just happiness, contentment, stillness of mind, laughter, brightness. He grows smaller the second you intellectualise, the second you have opinions, judgements, angst,etc,etc,etc

I had it right when…I had

Not a real clue about anything, political, cultural, religious,
Just simple
Humerous
laughing
Singing
Entertaining
Dancing
Busy with just being
No opinions on anything
thick to the outside world you might say
an airhead you might say
Silent on a general basis
waking up with a smile all ready
Loving myself and everyone locally around me
No angst against any one
Forgiving instantly, with a reason im my mind alone
meditating
using the Ajna Chakra and developing the heart Chakra

Ive lost my path due to all the things that are the opposite of the list. Damm it!

Does anyone want a good laugh because thats where Im going…carry on, sorry but Ive just seen my light.

#153

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/24/pope-sexual-abuse-lawrence-murphy_n_512483.html

Thomas,

the above link is a story about the abuse you may find interesting. I know I stand by my post and what I wrote. It is not aimed at the many good catholic priests or followers. I know there are many as I've stated. And it certainly is not aimed at you Thomas!

#154

I’ll see what I can come up with, but don’t understand why it is so important to you to add to the negativity against the Catholic Church.

#155

There is no proof in that hit piece that Ratzinger covered anything up.

#156

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here is no proof in that hit piece that Ratzinger covered anything up.

I’m sorry Thomas but it’s there.

Why on earth would you think I’m trying to add to the negativity? Truth is truth. They did what they did. Now they must own up to it. Make amends. We don’t see eye to eye on this Thomas. It’s OK. Really. I have my reasons for thinking as I do. I hope we are still friends.

I am rebanning myself…nothing having to do with religious discussion on the forum. It takes me a while to learn.

#157

Why do radical Hindus hate Christians ?

This is an interesting report, quoting Indians:

Note : Dalit= lower class, opressed, crushed…

Excerpts:

http://www.novascotiascott.com/2009/04/03/why-do-radical-hindus-hate-christians/

The reason of hatred for Christians is not conversion (of Hindus into Christians), but the threat that Christianity presents to Hindu social beliefs and traditions.

The Hindus worry about a possible reduction in upper-caste Hindu numbers The prejudice is so entrenched that they do not sense the agony of those who suffer under the caste-based system… Hindu believe that the disadvantaged are sinners (bad karmas) reaping the fruits of past lives. Thus, a leper is to be shunned; the EXPLOITATION OF DALITS is justified.

On the contrary, a Christian finds an opportunity for spiritual fulfillement in serving the leper and healing the sick (my note: you remember Mother Teresa ?)

Before building churches, Christians normally buiils schools and hospitals. Why do major Hindu religious establishments involve themselves only in collecting donations and not in performing such community services ?..

Note below a few other reports (links). I find particularly interesting the report
"The mith of Hindu tolerance."

In y opinion, if you want to really see what is all about, just do your own research. You will find lots of information.

#158

A culture that promotes persecution

http://www.novascotiascott.com/2009/04/04/a-culture-that-promotes-persecution/

Interesting: 1/5 (20 %) of the Indian population is made of Dalits (lower caste). If they convert to Christianity, they reject the caste system. And how can the upper-castes
endure losing so much cheap labour ?

#159

I do not believe our beloved pope or his beloved predecessor had anything to do with any coverups.

I believe some bishops made some huge blunders, and I believe some things could have been handled better.

Note that all the abuse was homosexual and since the Church teaches homosexuality is a serious disorder, they would have been wise to not give into the social pressure to allow homosexually oriented men into the priesthood, but of course they would be chastized for that too.

Arianna Huffington has an axe to grind against Christianity and Republicans. She’s looking for the bad, and will shamelessly distort to that end. And I see no proof in her article linking any pope to anything.

#160

[QUOTE=thomas;40561]But I don’t think you care about that. You want dirt, and there are plenty who will supply distortions and outright lies and give you the ammunition you want.[/QUOTE]

Actually I want truth, not dirt, not distortion and not outright lies, although those that have no defense often resort to name calling and accusations in the face of truth.

Please-o-please take any of my posts on this topic and point out to me where I made any distortion or lied.

You don’t like facts because it goes against the accepted Catholic version of things. And I am not bashing anyone unless of course you feel truth is bashing. If you bring up something about any religion that historically is not correct I will point it out. Make any statement that is historically inaccurate about any topic and I will point it out if I know it to be incorrect.

Historically speaking, want to get into the inquisition and/or the crusades next, you likely will not like the truth about those either. Want to get into the truth (historically speaking) about the middle east today, some of that you will not much care for either. Why because it goes against what the church says but then what they say is what they want to believe or more to the point what they want others to believe butit is not what really happened.

The truth hurts sometimes thomas and that is why dogma is not fond of truth.