[QUOTE=The Scales;62728]Which god are your talking about?[/QUOTE]
Brahman, Tao, Yahv?, Manitu, Allah, Spirit, Ahura Mazda, Universal Consciousness, Atman, Aton…
interesting…in Swatmarama’s HYP he says that as long as you do not lose semen- you good to go for the enlightenment path… there are lot of techniques and exercises to draw the semen back after ejacuation …
Swatmarama’s version is to retain semen for sake of physiology… energy preservation… not as much about the thoughts of lust…
[QUOTE=GORI YOGINI;62754]Regarding the “flavorizing” of yoga - the first to do that was Indians themselves.
“Laughing Yoga”???[/QUOTE]
Indians are fast catching up and surpassing the rest of the world in encashing the ancient sciences, before others could patent, repackage and sell them back from a virtual box. 
This is Kaiyug and it all goes by “Survival of the fittest”.
Getting back to the topic, in other words:
“To be or not to be celibate” depends on what one perceives as Yoga in this modern world, from which part of the world, and with what upbringing and beliefs.
The other day, I saw an online ad flashing about “Yoga Dating” on cruise. Where is yoga, where is celibacy and what is that to do with dating? Can you talk about celibacy in that cruise? You will be thrown out in the high waters!
I am sure there are lot of ardent Yoga practitioners in this forum may not believe “Celibacy is a compliment to yoga Sadhana in the initial stage and a means for the advanced stage.”
Those who believe also may find that celibacy is very difficult to really practice while leading a normal GAGA life
There are many who uses Yoga as a conduit to seek out for healthy minded opposite sex.
A vast majority uses yoga as a profession to earn well and pay their bills.
[B]However, there is no right or wrong to be debated upon, because these are mostly empirical. [/B]
“If you want, it you preserve it. If you can afford it, let it flow.”
Lot to write, but I do not intend to bore you all! Sorry for the long reply.
[QUOTE=Sahasrara;62689]Does this mean practicing yoga without celibacy can/may even produce diseases?[/QUOTE]
Even an expert swimmer, is rewarded with drowning, if he/ she foolishly challenges to swim with a huge boulder tied to the chest.
Even if the extremely difficult Hatha Yoga practices such as Vajaroli are mastered, what about stabilising/ stilling the mind stuff (chitta vrittis)?
Going against this yoga rule would constitute [I][B]pradnya aparadha[/B][/I], violation of wisdom, with consequences in proportion to the violation.
Manu Smruti gives us guidelines on how much “un-celibate” a householder can be permitted to be, without it constituting such a violation.
regards, anand
[QUOTE=panoramix;62761]Brahman, Tao, Yahv?, Manitu, Allah, Spirit, Ahura Mazda, Universal Consciousness, Atman, Aton…[/QUOTE]
all of those are not synonomous
[QUOTE=Anand Kulkarni;62756]Dear Friend:
“Accepting them” is great whittling down (of the ego too).
Thanks, anand
p.s.
The internal locations of sun and moon are given [I]Yoga Shikha Upanishad.[/I] I am not calling the particular chakra as sun or moon. Pl pardon me if my words conveyed that sense.[/QUOTE]
Whittling down Ego? Why for?
This translation of the Yoga Shikha gives no location as to the whereabouts of the sun and the moon.
http://www.celextel.org/108upanishads/yogasikha.html
Is this a faulty translation or abridged?
[QUOTE=The Scales;62801]Whittling down Ego? Why for?
This translation of the Yoga Shikha gives no location as to the whereabouts of the sun and the moon.
http://www.celextel.org/108upanishads/yogasikha.html
Is this a faulty translation or abridged?[/QUOTE]
Dear Friend:
Whittling down Ego? Why for?
How else will you “accept” them as masters? Ego and surrendering are closely related. They are the exact opposites.
Re. Yoga Shikha Upanishad, Pl get hold of the original text. You may find it on the web. Look for Ch.5, v-32 and 33. The translation at the above link is highly abridged.
Regards, anand
Sahasara:
Indians are fast catching up and surpassing the rest of the world in encashing the ancient sciences
What do you mean “catching up”? They were the FIRST to commercialize and capitalize on ‘ancient sciences’.
Anand,
" I think you have to ask these questions to your Guru, as only Guru will know the processes taking place in you."
If your so called " guru " is not a guru at all, but just a fiction hiding beneath the name and image of a guru, then such a thing would be completely disasterous.
" Even then, if you ask me, perfection in Vajroli and Khechari practices of Hatha Yoga, lead to experiencing Amrit"
Even you do not know this - you are just repeating things out of your own borrowed knowledge, it has no roots in your own direct living experience.
Anand,
“Going against this yoga rule would constitute pradnya aparadha, violation of wisdom”
Wisdom is not something that can be violated, but your speaking as though you are wise is certainly your own violation.
“Thus the aspirant is set up on the path of realising the atman, the goal that is unique to Hinduism.”
You are assuming that there is such an Atman to be found anywhere in your being. Groping in a dream, one continues speaking of a dream.
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;62821]Anand,
" I think you have to ask these questions to your Guru, as only Guru will know the processes taking place in you."
If your so called " guru " is not a guru at all, but just a fiction hiding beneath the name and image of a guru, then such a thing would be completely disasterous.
" Even then, if you ask me, perfection in Vajroli and Khechari practices of Hatha Yoga, lead to experiencing Amrit"
Even you do not know this - you are just repeating things out of your own borrowed knowledge, it has no roots in your own direct living experience.[/QUOTE]
Dear Friend:
Patanjali’s yoga sutra no.7 says that direct perception, inference and competent evidence can be considered as proofs. The knowledge “borrowed” from classical Yoga texts is considered as [I]“aptavakya”[/I] i.e. direct evidence of the yogis.
I am not here with any claims about myself.
regards, anand
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;62822]Anand,
“Going against this yoga rule would constitute pradnya aparadha, violation of wisdom”
Wisdom is not something that can be violated, but your speaking as though you are wise is certainly your own violation.
“Thus the aspirant is set up on the path of realising the atman, the goal that is unique to Hinduism.”
You are assuming that there is such an Atman to be found anywhere in your being. Groping in a dream, one continues speaking of a dream.[/QUOTE]
Dear Friend:
Logical proof of existence of [I][B]atman[/B][/I] is available from the proper understanding of the [B]Doctrine of Karma[/B].
You may read the small treatise having this title and written by Swami Abhedanand.
regards, anand
[QUOTE=Anand Kulkarni;62818]Dear Friend:
How else will you “accept” them as masters? Ego and surrendering are closely related. They are the exact opposites.
Re. Yoga Shikha Upanishad, Pl get hold of the original text. You may find it on the web. Look for Ch.5, v-32 and 33. The translation at the above link is highly abridged.
Regards, anand[/QUOTE]
I see. Well I thank you I’ll take a look for it.
EDIT: I’m not finding it in engrish. Just sanskrit do you have a link for it in english?
I still have an ego but i’ve been instructed by the BEST.
[QUOTE=The Scales;62838]I see. Well I thank you I’ll take a look for it.
I still have an ego yet - i’ve been instructed by the BEST.[/QUOTE]
Good One!
anand
If your so called " guru " is not a guru at all, but just a fiction hiding beneath the name and image of a guru, then such a thing would be completely disasterous.
Any hints / tips from you on this forum for recognising a Guru?
anand
[QUOTE=The Scales;62800]all of those are not synonomous[/QUOTE]
Amen.
[QUOTE=The Scales;62838]I still have an ego but i’ve been instructed by the BEST.[/QUOTE]
Who?
[QUOTE=panoramix;62848]Who?[/QUOTE]
A celestial master assigned to me.
Basically.
celestial…
but incarnated in flesh?
or just astral?
assigned only to you?
[QUOTE=panoramix;62852]celestial…
but incarnated in flesh?
or just astral?[/QUOTE]
not incarnated in flesh.
not astral - he can see there - but that is not his station so to speak.
i’m not quite sure of his exact location.
as far as being assigned only to me I’m getting a ‘no.’