Yoga and Sex vs Celibacy

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#88

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;62822]Anand,

“Going against this yoga rule would constitute pradnya aparadha, violation of wisdom”

Wisdom is not something that can be violated, but your speaking as though you are wise is certainly your own violation.

“Thus the aspirant is set up on the path of realising the atman, the goal that is unique to Hinduism.”

You are assuming that there is such an Atman to be found anywhere in your being. Groping in a dream, one continues speaking of a dream.[/QUOTE]

Dear Friend:

Logical proof of existence of [I][B]atman[/B][/I] is available from the proper understanding of the [B]Doctrine of Karma[/B].

You may read the small treatise having this title and written by Swami Abhedanand.

regards, anand

#89

[QUOTE=Anand Kulkarni;62818]Dear Friend:

How else will you “accept” them as masters? Ego and surrendering are closely related. They are the exact opposites.

Re. Yoga Shikha Upanishad, Pl get hold of the original text. You may find it on the web. Look for Ch.5, v-32 and 33. The translation at the above link is highly abridged.

Regards, anand[/QUOTE]

I see. Well I thank you I’ll take a look for it.

EDIT: I’m not finding it in engrish. Just sanskrit do you have a link for it in english?

I still have an ego but i’ve been instructed by the BEST.

#90

[QUOTE=The Scales;62838]I see. Well I thank you I’ll take a look for it.

I still have an ego yet - i’ve been instructed by the BEST.[/QUOTE]

Good One!

anand

#91

If your so called " guru " is not a guru at all, but just a fiction hiding beneath the name and image of a guru, then such a thing would be completely disasterous.

Any hints / tips from you on this forum for recognising a Guru?

anand

#92

[QUOTE=The Scales;62800]all of those are not synonomous[/QUOTE]

Amen.

#93

[QUOTE=The Scales;62838]I still have an ego but i’ve been instructed by the BEST.[/QUOTE]

Who?

#94

[QUOTE=panoramix;62848]Who?[/QUOTE]

A celestial master assigned to me.

Basically.

#95

celestial…

but incarnated in flesh?

or just astral?

assigned only to you?

#96

[QUOTE=panoramix;62852]celestial…

but incarnated in flesh?

or just astral?[/QUOTE]

not incarnated in flesh.

not astral - he can see there - but that is not his station so to speak.

i’m not quite sure of his exact location.

as far as being assigned only to me I’m getting a ‘no.’

#97

Ok.

So you can feel that a lofty entity is guiding you, giving your concerns and doubts the proper answer, suggesting you techniques and practices, and pushing you to the right path…

Lucky you!

How did it start?

#98

So you can feel that a lofty entity is guiding you.

Lol - yes I can feel him.

giving your concerns and doubts the proper answer,
don’t have any doubts. Yes he answers questions.

suggesting you techniques and practices
Yes. Sort of. It’s guidance. We work together.

and pushing you to the right path.
It’s mission fulfillment guidance…

Lucky you!
I understand why you would say this. But it’s not luck.

How did it start?
hmmm. well. impulse propelled me to study and practice the yogas on my own. Once I was mature enough he just made his presence known.

#99

“Patanjali’s yoga sutra no.7 says that direct perception, inference and competent evidence can be considered as proofs. The knowledge “borrowed” from classical Yoga texts is considered as “aptavakya” i.e. direct evidence of the yogis.”

Anand,

Again, you are quoting Patanjali and other sources. I was not commenting about the content of your message, in fact I agree with much of what Patanjali and others have said in other scriptures. But we are not discussing whether what they have said or not said is true or false. We are discussing whether one is speaking out of ones own direct experience, or whether one is just repeating whatever knowledge has entered into ones mind - whether one has just information, or whether one has come to a transformation. Fundamentally - it comes down to your state of being.

“Logical proof of existence of atman is available from the proper understanding of the Doctrine of Karma.”

If your true nature is beyond logic, then how can you supply logical proof for it ? If Truth could be proved, then you can write a thesis about it or conduct an experiment in a laboratory for it. But it does not work like that.

Yes, there are some people who have claimed to have found logical proof which is irrefutable for Atman. There are people who also claim to have found irrefutable logical proof for God, as well as people who claim irrefutable proof for the existence of no-God. And there are Buddhists, who like those dogmatic Hindus, have stated that they have irrefutable evidence for Anatman (no-self), and the only way to come to this is through study of the Buddhist dharma.

Of course, any tradition will claim that their philosophy is right - because otherwise their very existence comes under threat. Traditions need followers, otherwise they will simply disappear. The same has happened with all of the world religions.

#100

Celibacy ??? I don’t think so, besides there is a whole sect (if you may) that romances the kundalini through sexual practice. Please refer to the Vaigyan Bhagav Tantra. Namaste.

#101

[QUOTE=The Scales;62864]How did it start?
hmmm. well. impulse propelled me to study and practice the yogas on my own. Once I was mature enough he just made his presence known. [/QUOTE]

Forgive me if I make too many questions…

For how long did you engage your sadhanas before he manifested?
How old are you?

#102

[QUOTE=yogi rigo;62897]Celibacy ??? I don’t think so, besides there is a whole sect (if you may) that romances the kundalini through sexual practice. Please refer to the Vaigyan Bhagav Tantra. Namaste.[/QUOTE]

In a yogic context celibacy is rather a psychological issue than a physical one.

For example: someone being raped is not practicing sex, although the act consists in introducing a penis in a vagina or an anus.

#103

Amir:

Are you enlightened?

#104

[QUOTE=panoramix;62900]Forgive me if I make too many questions…

For how long did you engage your sadhanas before he manifested?
How old are you?[/QUOTE]

I’m an old hand at this yoga stuff. I can’t remember all the why fors and how to’s of this yoga stuff because the memories have causalized - and at present I don’t know how to access them - nor have I given the task of accessing them any effort.

Looking back the sadhana I engaged in was to provide me with a knowledge base of technique and understanding - jnana - a categorical framework.

The assistance is really tied to my incarnating karma. Once the knowledge base was established and I was mature enough he began to make his presence known to help me do what I’m here to do.

Basically.

#105

[QUOTE=AmirMourad;62878]“Patanjali’s yoga sutra no.7 says that direct perception, inference and competent evidence can be considered as proofs. The knowledge “borrowed” from classical Yoga texts is considered as “aptavakya” i.e. direct evidence of the yogis.”

Anand,

Again, you are quoting Patanjali and other sources. I was not commenting about the content of your message, in fact I agree with much of what Patanjali and others have said in other scriptures. But we are not discussing whether what they have said or not said is true or false. We are discussing whether one is speaking out of ones own direct experience, or whether one is just repeating whatever knowledge has entered into ones mind - whether one has just information, or whether one has come to a transformation. Fundamentally - it comes down to your state of being.

“Logical proof of existence of atman is available from the proper understanding of the Doctrine of Karma.”

If your true nature is beyond logic, then how can you supply logical proof for it ? If Truth could be proved, then you can write a thesis about it or conduct an experiment in a laboratory for it. But it does not work like that.

Yes, there are some people who have claimed to have found logical proof which is irrefutable for Atman. There are people who also claim to have found irrefutable logical proof for God, as well as people who claim irrefutable proof for the existence of no-God. And there are Buddhists, who like those dogmatic Hindus, have stated that they have irrefutable evidence for Anatman (no-self), and the only way to come to this is through study of the Buddhist dharma.

Of course, any tradition will claim that their philosophy is right - because otherwise their very existence comes under threat. Traditions need followers, otherwise they will simply disappear. The same has happened with all of the world religions.[/QUOTE]

Dear Friend:

Even great masters quote their masters and the scriptures. I am just a small person.

regards, anand

#106

[QUOTE=yogi rigo;62897]Celibacy ??? I don’t think so, besides there is a whole sect (if you may) that romances the kundalini through sexual practice. Please refer to the Vaigyan Bhagav Tantra. Namaste.[/QUOTE]

You are conflating 2 entirely different paths and practices.

#107

Anand,

“Even great masters quote their masters and the scriptures.”

If such things have been done, it is simply to give their own statements credibility, it is just a method to put some bait so that you may get caught in it’s hook. Because others are identified with a certain tradition - you will have to speak in the same language and terminology of that tradition if you are going to transmit a message. Even Gautama Buddha - when he was speaking to Hindus, used to use the word “Atman” (the self), even though a central part of his whole teaching was Anatman (no-self). And like this - it has happened that many masters would quote others, simply to give their own message a certain seal of authority. That is in fact the reason why so many scriptures have declared themselves as revelations from God - Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism alike. The Bible has declared itself the Word of God, Islam has declared itself the final word of God, and in Hinduism - you can find countless dfferent belief systems, all declaring that their scriptures are from God. The Sikhs have done the same, they have declared their scriptures to be revelations from a Supreme Being. They are all doing the same thing - they are trying to give their teachings a certain seal of authority, and there can be no greater seal of authority than a cosmic seal of authority by God himself. Other times, certain scriptures were written by an anonymous author but under the name of a well known master. In the Nath tradition, there are many scriptures which are said to have been written by Gorakshanath himself. In the Western esoteric traditions, there is a whole category of scriptures - the Hermetic scriptures, which are said to have been written by Hermes Trismegistus himself, though it has been proved that such a character was just an invention - it is a combination of the Greek god Hermes and the Egyptian God of Wisdom, Thoth, though some have believed that Hermes Trismegistus was a historical person.

Yes, masters may quote other masters, real or dead, fictitious or real, but it is just for the sake of emphasizing their own message. Otherwise, a master speaks out of his own direct experience, no borrowed knowledge is needed as a substitute.