Yoga Myths

Do you know any Yoga myths and have a response to those that use them for not practicing?

why do I want to know?

I am doing some research. I am about to start teaching my friends in the Multiple Sclerosis community. I have Multiple Sclerosis and know that I have benefitted from yoga. Reason for not be able to do yoga I have received with my response ®
I have Multiple Sclerosis ® so do I!
I am worse than you ® I have gain much improvement
I am in a wheelchair ® can you breathe - any one that is alive and breathing can practice yoga
Yoga is against my religion ® Yoga is not a religion.

Karen, SmilieMSerYogi

Yoga is against my religion ® Yoga is not a religion.

This is not a logical response, something does not need to be a religion of itself to be in contradiction with a religion. Yoga though is an integral part of the Indian religious millieu and often contradictory to the abrahamic faiths. Of course, if you think yoga means stretchings your hammies, breathing slowly and chilling out, then it’s not against any religion. So if some abrahamic says, yoga is against my religion, they might be right. People who have commercial interest in yoga being popular will deny this.

I’ve subbed for a teacher that has a contract with the MS society to teach MS Students.
MS me if you have questions. I don’t have the energy to have a public debate.

Is there anything in the Yoga Sutras that would contradict any religion?

I can see contradicting atheism, as ishwar pranidhan denotes an ishwar.

But what would contradict other forms of theism?

[QUOTE=GORI YOGINI;62481]Is there anything in the Yoga Sutras that would contradict any religion?

I can see contradicting atheism, as ishwar pranidhan denotes an ishwar.

But what would contradict other forms of theism?[/QUOTE]

Asamprajnata leading to liberation?

But what is meant by liberation?

I will quote a FACT. I had a friend, who was totally paralyzed in bed. By sheer power of will, even in the bed, he started to train his muscles, which responded. He used yoga techniques.

Later on he recovered almost fully, still slightly limping from one leg. He practised hatha yoga and reached an incredible degree of perfection. He published books on yoga. He even lived in India for a while, in caves with other yogis. He showed me the photos with he yogis.

Presently he lives in San Jose, USA. His name is Nicu C. Tufoi. I do not know his adress or telephone.

[QUOTE=oak333;62485]He even lived in India for a while, in caves with other yogis. He showed me the photos with he yogis…[/QUOTE]

That’s my dream… What did he eat during the stay with those yogis?

"Is there anything in the Yoga Sutras that would contradict any religion? "

Certainly, it contradicts the whole history of mainstream Judaism, Christianity, and Islam - which have no place whatsoever for the expansion of consciousness, nor do they have any place for the process of seeking. You simply cling to a belief system without question, and rather than allowing your intelligence to blossom on it’s own according to ones own unique pace of evolution. That is the fundamental difference between a seeker and a believer. A believer has already come to a conclusion, and because of ones clinging to a conclusion, has in the same breath denied oneself of the possibility of ever seeing anything else beyond it. If you already think you have come to the Truth, then the very desire to seek for it disappears. A seeker is one who has not come to any conclusions whatsoever, who has set aside all of ones assumptions and belief systems, and has simply come to a recognition of ones own ignorance. Only then can you start inquiring and penetrating deeper into the mysteries of existence, which cannot be grasped into your fist, but which reveal themselves spontaneously when your inner atmosphere is prepared for it. Nor is the seeking something which is to be pursued outwardly, it is none other than coming to know yourself, through and through. It is only out of coming to know yourself that there is a possibility of coming to a transformation, and the freedom that arises out of transformation. This has no place at all in Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. And those aspects of those religions which have focused on methods for the expansion of consciousness have always been condemned - the Sufis were condemned by the Muslims, the Gnostics were condemned by the Christians, and the Qabalists were condemned by the Jews, because even according to their own religion - there can be no place for coming to a direct perception of the so called “divine”. That which is divine is always somewhere far away, projected light years apart from where you are - either in some otherworldly paradise, or to some imaginary Supreme Being which transcends the universe. The very idea of coming to a direct experience of ones divine nature, or that even you yourself are the divine, is simply absurd according to those religions. The declaration of the Upanishads, “aham brahmasi” (“I am Absolute”) is simply blasphemous. And that is why unless one abandons such belief systems - it is almost impossible to become involved in the yogic sciences. Although certainly, one may be a Christian and practice yoga, or be a Muslim and practice yoga, or a Jew and practice yoga. But sooner or later, because part of the whole process of the expansion of consciousness is to come to a more penetrating clarity into things as they are - those belief systems are certain to be abandoned sooner or later, simply because they are none other than the projections of the mind, creating things in its own image.

I have Multiple Sclerosis ® so do I!

A Yoga student with M.S. might need a specialist class to begin with. The remedial classes in the Iyengar approach are probably the best for this.

I am worse than you ® I have gain much improvement

There is no competition in Yoga, one is not worse than the other. Success is measured by consistent effort and self discipline.

I am in a wheelchair ® can you breathe - any one that is alive and breathing can practice yoga

Someone in a wheelchair can still practice pranayama and meditation.

Yoga is against my religion ® Yoga is not a religion.

Iyengar wrote, ‘Health is religion.’ Yoga will not contradict another health system. Dogma and blind faith are not a part of Yoga.

:D[QUOTE=Terence;62504]I have Multiple Sclerosis ® so do I!

A Yoga student with M.S. might need a specialist class to begin with. The remedial classes in the Iyengar approach are probably the best for this.

I am worse than you ® I have gain much improvement

There is no competition in Yoga, one is not worse than the other. Success is measured by consistent effort and self discipline.

I am in a wheelchair ® can you breathe - any one that is alive and breathing can practice yoga

Someone in a wheelchair can still practice pranayama and meditation.

Yoga is against my religion ® Yoga is not a religion.

Iyengar wrote, ‘Health is religion.’ Yoga will not contradict another health system. Dogma and blind faith are not a part of Yoga.[/QUOTE]

Namaste
everything you say is true
There was my ego trapped in the church not letting me use their premises because it is against their religion. I was obviously not meant to practice in the location.
Thank you for opening my mind to difference perspectives and considerations.
smiles and laughter, always with the best intentions
Karen :smiley:

[QUOTE=panoramix;62500]That’s my dream… What did he eat during the stay with those yogis?[/QUOTE]

Namaste,

I was with a cave baba for couple of hours, cause i had to return, and saw the cave at the last moment by-chance. He eats nothing much except wild fruits and sometimes (Kitchidi) in the late evening (but not everyday) when not in samadhi, in a temple far below. He practices to be in connection and he wants to know what is beyond that. for a moment a thought came in my brain to be a caveman. :wink:

I supose he did achieve prana vidya for living on just fruits…

Is that a teapot what he holds in his left hand?

What river is that?

[QUOTE=panoramix;62517]I supose he did achieve prana vidya for living on just fruits…

Is that a teapot what he holds in his left hand?

What river is that?[/QUOTE]

that’s Kamandalu or Kamandal or Kamandalam is an oblong water pot in his hand.

Ganga, Rishikesh.

I see he is of the Vaishnava religion.

[QUOTE=GORI YOGINI;62481]Is there anything in the Yoga Sutras that would contradict any religion? [/QUOTE]

Yoga is in religion but religion is not in yoga, dogma is quite the opposite of yoga, it would be difficult and time consuming to write it as expertly as Amir stated above…

[QUOTE=panoramix;62500]That’s my dream… What did he eat during the stay with those yogis?[/QUOTE]

This is actually a hidden good question.

I do not know the answer, but I do know that he developed a taste for onions and garlic.

[QUOTE=ray_killeen;62523]Yoga is in religion but religion is not in yoga, dogma is quite the opposite of yoga, it would be difficult and time consuming to write it as expertly as Amir stated above?[/QUOTE]

Only problem with Amir is that he is thinking like a Charvakin, a worldview completely opposed to yoga.

…but very popular amongst his clientele to whom he sells $220 workshops.

Namaste
everything you say is true
There was my ego trapped in the church not letting me use their premises because it is against their religion. I was obviously not meant to practice in the location.
Thank you for opening my mind to difference perspectives and considerations.
smiles and laughter, always with the best intentions
Karen :D[/QUOTE]

You’re welcome, :slight_smile:
Terence

Sarva,

Only problem with Amir is that he is thinking like a Charvakin

No, I am not an atheist either. The atheist is one extreme, and the theist is another extreme. One has been clinging to the idea of God, the other has been clinging to the idea of No-God, and in both cases, one fails to see into the matter that the Truth is inexpressible.

a worldview completely opposed to yoga.

You should know that yoga just refers to the science and technology that is involved in the expansion of consciousness. It does not refer to a particular belief system - although it has been a part of many belief systems. Buddhists have used yoga, Advaitists have used yoga- Shankara was himself a yogi, there have been yogis who were charvakas, there are yogis who are followers of Shiva as the Absolute, there are yogis who are followers of Vishnu as the Absolute, there are yogis who are followers of Kali as the absolute, there are yogis who are clinging to a dualistic belief system such as Samkhya - which is largely atheistic with exception to a few theist schools, there are yogis who have been clinging to non-dualism, there are those who have declared Atman (self), there are those who have declared Anatman (no-self), and all of this has been done while making use of the yogic sciences. Amongst those who have been using yoga as a method for transformation - if you just look throughout the history of it - you will find that there have been as many different philosophies and belief systems as one can imagine. You are trying to reduce everything that has happened throughout the history of yoga into one belief system, probably that of Patanjalis who was heavily influenced by Samkhya and Buddhism.