Why yes, I’m going there. 
Does anyone here practice a religion that supports abortion? Or is anyone here a yoga practitioner that supports abortion? If so, how do you reconcile abortion and the practice of ahimsa?
As a Hindu, I generally don’t agree with the practice of abortion but recognize that there are certain circumstances in which it can be allowed.
As for Ahimsa…well lets just say that it is nice to be idealistic in the snug corner of your home, but in the real world, if an entire race is targeted by Christians and Muslims intent on destroying that race and their religion and culture, don’t expect the victims to stand by idle, welcoming those interlopers with open arms, Kaju Katlis, Pani Puris, Pedas, Prasadam, and what not.
That’s super interesting and all but this thread is about abortion, thanks.
[QUOTE=David;48832]That’s super interesting and all but this thread is about abortion, thanks.[/QUOTE]
Oh I know. But I could see where (and to whom) the question was aimed at (ultimately). But you are right, this thread is about abortion. I am sorry. Forgive me. Ap humko maf dete?
It wasn’t aimed at anyone. But thank you for agreeing to stay on topic, at least for awhile. I realize tangents happen and that’s cool, but not with the first reply 
I posted a similar thread, but nobody responded.
I would like to ask those who “personally oppose abortion,” but who support a “woman’s right to choose,” why that is any different than being personally opposed to a woman killing her toddler, but supporting her right to do so.
Is “ahimsa” purely personal, or should it be incorporated into our laws?
[QUOTE=David;48837]It wasn’t aimed at anyone. But thank you for agreeing to stay on topic, at least for awhile. I realize tangents happen and that’s cool, but not with the first reply :)[/QUOTE]
Sorry Mr. Moderator. :sad:. I will give you many Indian sweets (what ever you like) as compensation for my transgressions.
[QUOTE=thomas;48838]I posted a similar thread, but nobody responded.
I would like to ask those who “personally oppose abortion,” but who support a “woman’s right to choose,” why that is any different than being personally opposed to a woman killing her toddler, but supporting her right to do so.
Is “ahimsa” purely personal, or should it be incorporated into our laws?[/QUOTE]
I was about to answer this but I realized that this doesn’t apply to me.
[quote=thomas;48838]I would like to ask those who “personally oppose abortion,” but who support a “woman’s right to choose,” why that is any different than being personally opposed to a woman killing her toddler, but supporting her right to do so.
Is “ahimsa” purely personal, or should it be incorporated into our laws?[/quote]
I’m guessing for many it’s an argument of when those cells become a human. After seeing the “Bodies” exhibit and each stage of the fetus, for me, it’s much earlier than I realized. I just don’t know yet whether I feel those first few weeks constitute a human or not. It’s something I’m still pondering.
[QUOTE=David;48845]I’m guessing for many it’s an argument of when those cells become a human. After seeing the “Bodies” exhibit and each stage of the fetus, for me, it’s much earlier than I realized. I just don’t know yet whether I feel those first few weeks constitute a human or not. It’s something I’m still pondering.[/QUOTE]
One of the more impressive arguments against abortion I have heard is that science gives no value to the life that is within the mother’s womb. Although one can debate the criterion of what constitutes “life” and “human” using biological factors with respect to each developmental stage of the fetus, such intellectual fetters fail to comprehend the fetus holistically; in other words, what it has the potential to become.
To those who oppose abortion, do you feel that we should charge a pregnant woman who smokes or drinks with child abuse?
[QUOTE=David;48853]To those who oppose abortion, do you feel that we should charge a pregnant woman who smokes or drinks with child abuse?[/QUOTE]
I am very pro-choice, but I do think that a mother whether she smokes, drinks, or does drugs should absolutely be charged with child abuse.
[QUOTE=David;48853]To those who oppose abortion, do you feel that we should charge a pregnant woman who smokes or drinks with child abuse?[/QUOTE]
Are you mad? She should not be charged with child abuse. She should be charged with attempted infanticide.
I was joking about the “mad” part btw.
Let me see if I follow you here. Let’s say a woman is 6 weeks pregnant and is seen drinking a beer by a police officer. She should be arrested? But if she goes in for an abortion you’re ok with that?
[QUOTE=David;48864]Let me see if I follow you here. Let’s say a woman is 6 weeks pregnant and is seen drinking a beer by a police officer. She should be arrested? But if she goes in for an abortion you’re ok with that?[/QUOTE]
Not in those circumstances. You are take subjective thoughts and turning them into absolutes! If someone willingly had intercourse and then decides to get an abortion, that is wrong! One of the few times abortion is acceptable is in certain rape cases.
[QUOTE=David;48864]Let me see if I follow you here. Let’s say a woman is 6 weeks pregnant and is seen drinking a beer by a police officer. She should be arrested? But if she goes in for an abortion you’re ok with that?[/QUOTE]
That is not what I meant. Every OB I have seen has said that drinking one glass of wine or a beer occasionally doesn’t cause any fetal harm. If the woman binge drinks and the baby is born with fetal alcohol syndrome than she should be charged with child abuse. If a woman goes in for an abortion at 6 weeks she obviously has no intention in following through with the pregnancy. A fetus at 6 weeks gestation is not viable outside the uterus. That is how I determine life. I feel if a woman goes in early in her first trimester that there is no life there. It is a collection of cells that yes, may be “alive”, but mold is also alive. I feel at this point in gestation there really is no difference.
I see, thank you for elaborating
The Woman should be able to do what she feels is best.
So the Jiva/soul/spirit/self/purusha will just have to wait around for another body.
Karmicly? I dunno.
pain to the jiva from the process would be returned in kind I would imagine at some time - if there was any pain for the jiva. Might not be. Not sure.
If it was me and the Bimbo didn’t want me or wanted to put me up for adoption then I say - I’ll wait!!! I’ll wait for a better momma thank you very much.
[QUOTE=The Scales;48868]The Woman should be able to do what she feels is best.
So the Jiva/soul/spirit/self/purusha will just have to wait around for another body.
Karmicly? I dunno.
pain to the jiva from the process would be returned in kind I would imagine at some time - if there was any pain for the jiva. Might not be. Not sure. [/QUOTE]
From what I understand the soul isn’t “in residence” until about 6months, give or take a couple weeks. I don’t remember where I read this but I like it & everyone should take this into consideration.
You understand there is a soul in six months, but who can verify that?
What if it is there from conception.
What then.
Somehow after 50,000,000 abortions in the US alone since it’s been legal, I don’t think “oops” would be sufficient.
But the sad reality is that many who support abortion rights don’t give a rat’s rear end whether there is a soul there. They are just as pro-abortion even if it is presumed the embryo or fetus has a soul.