There is no such authentic Buddhist scripture. Nobody has ever seen it, except some Christian missionary in a secret Tibetan montestary 
Well, I think we do know that Pontius Pilate was the Roman governor in Judea at the time of his death, and Herod was king of the Jews at the time of his birth. That makes it possible to determine the span of his life with pretty good accuracy. We know the names of both of his parents, and his lineage was traced all the way to king David, on his mother’s side. We know where he was born, and we know that his parents were in that particular place because a Roman census was being conducted at the time. We also know where he lived with his family, where he died, and that the time of his death coincided with Passover, which is determined by solar and lunar cycles. There really is no doubt as to his actual existence, and I’m sure that a competent scholar would have no trouble proving it. To say otherwise is just more of your anti-Christian BS.
It is my own understanding that the larger percentage of Jesus’s teachings do not reflect the quality of an awakened consciousness.
You’re out of your mind. You don’t seem to understand how incredibly offensive this is. You are digging a very deep hole for yourself. I believe that what you are doing is absolute blasphemy. It doesn’t get any worse than that. For your own sake, please stop.
We know where he was born
As far as I am aware no place called Nazarath has ever been found. There is no record of it anywhere.
You’re almost as bad as he is.
“You don’t seem to understand how incredibly offensive this is.”
Whether it is offensive or unoffensive, it is irrelevant. Certainly anything which is not found to be appealing and tasteful to one’s ego is going to be seen as offensive. But the truth is the truth, it is not in the least bit interested in one’s likes and dislikes of the mind.
“I believe that what you are doing is absolute blasphemy.”
There is no such thing as blasphemy.
“For your own sake, please stop.”
Rather than investigating into the matter out of one’s own intelligence, one is far more interested in simply clinging to one’s own ideas and beliefs. There are reasons why I cannot consider Jesus, as described in the New Testament, as awakened. He says that if you even look at a woman with desire, it is already as though you have raped her. This is simply a fanatic statement which is in tune with his other fanatic statements - that unless you follow him, there is no way of entry into the Kingdom of God - nobody passes through except through him. And it is impossible for any Buddha to say such a thing. Every Buddha has come to the basic insight that it is impossible to awaken or save another - one can only come to know oneself, through and through. Once one comes to know oneself, one will immediately recognize that one’s liberation has always been here from first to last - one’s true nature is such, that there is nothing that can be added or subtracted from it. One can only see directly into one’s own being, one cannot become co-dependent upon anything or anybody else for one’s liberation. Jesus himself was clinging to the very idea of God, the Father, which is just his own imagination. Fasting in the desert for 40 days, he actually believes that he has encountered “Satan”, when it is none other than a projection of his own mind just as the Father was a projection of his own mind. Of course, that is what happens when you start fasting for an extended period of time - you simply start hallucinating. One Christian saint, St.Anthony of the Desert, was known for this. Because he lived such an ascetic life in the desert, he was known as St.Anthony of the Desert. He would fast for days upon days, eating nothing, to such an extent that he would just start hallucinating. Eventually, he came to believe that devils and demons were trying to destroy him. In his egotism, he mentions that the reason why devils and demons want to attack saints, is because they are jealous of their sainthood.
It was natural for Jesus to have come to such misunderstandings, because Jesus was entirely unaware of the sciences for the expansion of consciousness, nor was he aware of meditation. Nor had he transmitted any method to his disciples for the expansion of consciousness. At the most - he recommends prayer, which is not a method for coming to more awareness.
“There is no such authentic Buddhist scripture. Nobody has ever seen it, except some Christian missionary in a secret Tibetan montestary”
Several people have confirmed it’s existence at the Hemis monestery. But even if one accepts that it does not exist, that still does not eliminate the Kashmiri accounts of the teacher Isa.
Amir, you exhibit all of the obnoxious qualities of an arrogant young man, who thinks he already knows everything, and doesn’t realize that he still has a lot to learn. But you exhibit them to a far greater degree than the average man, which ironically makes you less enlightened than him. I’m afraid that you are going to have a heavy price to pay, and when your time comes, remember, I warned you.
[QUOTE=AmirMourad;57751]“There is no such authentic Buddhist scripture. Nobody has ever seen it, except some Christian missionary in a secret Tibetan montestary”
Several people have confirmed it’s existence at the Hemis monestery. But even if one accepts that it does not exist, that still does not eliminate the Kashmiri accounts of the teacher Isa.[/QUOTE]
Please mention these Kashmiri accounts and give me dates. If you are describing the Bhavishya purana, then sorry it will not float, as historians know that text was constantly edited up until the 19th century. Christian missionaries who were trying to convert Hindus tried all kinds of tricks to fabricating stories of Thomas coming to India in 1AD and setting up a Church, to claiming Krishna and Christ were the same person, to claiming Hinduism came from Christianity 
They could have easily inserted this story of Isa into the purana.
Asuri,
“you exhibit all of the obnoxious qualities of an arrogant young man”
What you are calling obnoxious is just my being straightforward and direct. That is my approach. I must admit, it is not a manner of gentleness. It is my intention to provoke you, because unless you are provoked, there is nothing which is going to be capable of heightening your understanding. The fact is, that seeing the things you have said, you are not serious about coming to your own awakening. This whole thing is just a kind of entertainment to nourish one’s ego.
“who thinks he already knows everything”
No, I know nothing. Those who think they know are simply deceiving themselves.
“and doesn’t realize that he still has a lot to learn”
Other than coming to a deeper recognition of one’s own ignorance, there is nothing to learn. In the Way, there is not even a single hook to grasp onto for support.
“remember, I warned you.”
Go deeper into your practice. At the present time, you are not in a position to be warning anybody. It is like one who is drowning trying to save another who is also drowning.
“Please mention these Kashmiri accounts and give me dates.”
Surya,
If you are really interested, one can find out through a bit of research.
You are the one making the claim, so the burden of proof lies with you. If you don’t want to provide any evidence, then we can consider your claim of Kashmiri accounts mentioning Jesus an unproven matter and end this discussion.
“You are the one making the claim, so the burden of proof lies with you.”
It is not my claim, it is the claim of the Kashmiri tribes themselves.
“If you don’t want to provide any evidence, then we can consider your claim of Kashmiri accounts mentioning Jesus an unproven matter and end this discussion”
No, I am not interested in providing evidence. If you were sincerely interested, you would have done research out of your own efforts.
@Surya Deva,
…Don’t worry, SD - this response isn’t for you; please feel free take this time to catch your breath, because I’m certainly not finished with you yet.
You’re not actually defending that pompous ass are you? (and you know who I’m talking about) I hope this is really about locking horns with Surya Deva
I’m short of time, so this response to you will be (relatively) blunt:
No - I’m not defending Amir, rather I’m defending certain points Amir has made - those of which I’m in agreement with. Understand: it matters not to me who has said it, only that it has been said - surely, that is reasonable?
That said, I fully comprehend where you are coming from - you are wondering whether or not I’m defending Amir’s self-proclaimed enlightenment. Thus, let me be perfectly clear here such that I’m no longer misunderstood by you, Surya Deva and even Amir himself: I am quite doubtful of Amir’s self-proclaimed enlightenment - in fact, my doubt is what spurned the generation of this thread even. Come on - be sensible for a minute, Asuri: I made this test for people who claim they are enlightened… and Amir is one such individual, correct? Think on that.
It’s like a game of chess…
As for “locking horns with Surya Deva”… horns - you mean the little nubs on the top of his head?
Take the test. As of the moment this response is posted, you will have exactly 24 hours to give your answer… and yes, this is an ultimatum; I’m tired of beating around the bush here.
Thanks for your time.
@ Amir,
Take the test. As of the moment this response is posted, you will have exactly 24 hours to give your answer… and yes, this is an ultimatum; I’m tired of beating around the bush here
Never mind - I retract the ultimatum until further notice; you are free to go, Amir. Let’s just say that a most severe complication of matters has come to my attention, one which will require a significant amount of reflection on my part as per the wisest choice of action at this juncture. Perhaps I will send you a private message in a days time to discuss it…
Thanks for your time.
occidental,
As Truth cannot be measured, communion with Truth is even more impossible to measure. It can be recognized, but not measured. And to recognize it is just like one thief recognizing another thief in the middle of the night. Only a Buddha is capable of recognizing a Buddha, there is no other way. Otherwise, perhaps one may come across a person who fits into ones own ideas as to how an Awakened One should be, and, feeling impressed, assume that he is awakened. Or, perhaps one may come across another with such a presence, that he may inspire you, and assume that he is awakened. But neither being inspired, nor being impressed, are indications that one has come into contact with an Awakened One. I appreciate the enthusiasm about the subject, but to measure it simply cannot be done. It can be recognized, but unless you already know the fragrance, it will be impossible to detect it. Because to recognize enlightenment assumes that you already know what enlightenment is. And to know what enlightenment is, how can you know unless you have already come to the space ? If one has not come to the space, how can one even be certain that such a state exists ?
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[QUOTE=AmirMourad;57772]“You are the one making the claim, so the burden of proof lies with you.”
It is not my claim, it is the claim of the Kashmiri tribes themselves.[/quote]
Yet you are presenting it in this thread and expect others to research it. If you are not interested in proving your position, then that is fine. You lose the debate by default.
No, I am not interested in providing evidence. If you were sincerely interested, you would have done research out of your own efforts.
It is ok, you do not provide evidence for any statements and claims you make. I have come to expect it from you.
Asuri,
That is good. Now go deeper into your practice.
Surya,
“You lose the debate by default”
Ok.
“It is ok, you do not provide evidence for any statements and claims you make. I have come to expect it from you.”
I have spoken enough about it. What is the purpose of continuing to speak together of something which you do not care for ? If you were interested in the subject, doing a bit of research on the matter would not have been such a problem. One would have been in fact ethusiastic to take matters into one’s own hands and look deeper into it.