Christianity And Reincarnation

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;58513]I know this. I have said several times that I respect all other cultures equally have consider them to contain all facets of the truth.

I have also said that I make an exception with Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. Why? Because these religion’s humanistic values (values that are inherent in all religions) are ALWAYS at a conflict with the organized religion itself. The influence of this dogma is so strong that even those who attempt to mellow it down still end up retaining vestiges of that bias.

The result is a beastly mess. You have Christian running around denouncing “false” religions while saying that they are simply bringing pagans out of the bestial and diabolical life they lead out of “love.” You have Christian “liberals” unconditionally denouncing homosexuality, gay rights, and abortion or asserting, in direct and indirect ways, their religious and cultural supremacy. There are even some Christians of the latter type on this forum, such as Thomas, Pandara, and Pawel (I believe that is his name).

In fact, the more one tries to break out of these Abrahamic dogmas, the more the haunting fears of “What IF there is a Hell?”, “What IF these religions are the correct ones?”, and “What if I have it all wrong?” plague you. Why?

Because Christians, Muslims, and Jews are required by their religion to believe in the infallible word of their scriptures. How many times have we seen Christians or Muslims citing the Bible and Quran respectively as if all the world’s knowledge was contained in their scriptures? “You religions are false because [insert Bible verse].” “Homosexuality is wrong because [insert Bible verse].” “All other religions are false [insert Quran and/or Bible verse].” These people have done a fabulous job of creating a net of logical fallacies and contradictions that even a questioning Christian/Muslim/Jew doubts himself in every step of the way.

Even worse is the supposed basis in history that these religion claim to have, especially with Jesus and Mohammed, resulting in a view that enforces the prejudice of THEIR religions because the correct/rights ones. Even more worse is that these religions are MONOTHEISTIC and, as per their scriptures, are SUPPOSED to be intolerant of other gods/ways. Altogether, these concepts are a HUGE deterrent to the “realization” you speak of Scales.

Even when Christians, Muslims, and Jews will have gained enough brain mass to comprehend the illogic of their self-assured prerogatives of having a monopoly on Truth and do away with these limiting credos, all they will have left are redundant humanistic ideals, nothing that sets them apart from any other religion, nothing that adds to our knowledge of the world.

Is this a bad thing? Not really; if that’s what rocks their boat, then it will be for the best, not only for them but for the rest of the world.

But ultimately, there is nothing special about any of these religions, even when all their illogical and immoral tenets are discarded.[/QUOTE]

Fred - you would put a smile on my face if you refered to me as an object and not a person. I didn’t explain that well. Let me show you using an example.

Like this

“Altogether, these concepts are a HUGE deterrent to the “realization” of which speaks The Scales.”

Ok that was crappy. But you get the point.
:slight_smile:

Anyway I liked your rant - and that is the truth. Your not wrong but your not all right either.

Honestly. I don’t know what to do other than to undermine thier logic nicely, encourage meditation, discuss the underlying unity of the systems, and wait for Jesus to come back and fix this mess. In the meantime I think we should just love each other. Which is what it says in their silly black book.

:cool:

[QUOTE=The Scales;58514]Fred - you would put a smile on my face if you refered to me as an object and not a person. I didn’t explain that well. Let me show you using an example.

Like this

“Altogether, these concepts are a HUGE deterrent to the “realization” of which speaks The Scales.”

Ok that was crappy. But you get the point.
:slight_smile:

Anyway I liked your rant - and that is the truth. Your not wrong but your not all right either.

Honestly. I don’t know what to do other than to undermine thier logic nicely, encourage meditation, discuss the underlying unity of the systems, and wait for Jesus to come back and fix this mess. In the meantime I think we should just love each other. Which is what it says in their silly black book.

:cool:[/QUOTE]

Lol, sorry “The Scales.” I wasn’t thinking about that. I usually do it to a lot of other members. For example, I sometimes call Surya Deva, Surya.

I had to make a correction: “prejudice of THEIR religions [B]being[/B] the correct/[B]right [/B]ones.” Damn, I hate typos…I really wish we could edit even past the 30 minute mark.

Perhaps.

However, they should not be taken lightly. Most of them will not love when it comes to heathens and pagans and especially Hinduism. I know this myself from firsthand experience in India.

One time, some American Christian missionaries came to our mansion back in Hyderabad, India and my grandfather lost his mind. He literally grabbed a cricket bat and drove them from our property. :lol:

The sad truth is that missionaries are destroying Indian culture as we speak. I would daily see them harassing poor people who just moved into the cities. They would somehow have sympathetic government contacts that would allow those idiots to know who just moved in and out. The government itself taxes Hindu temples in order to build churches and mosques NEXT to those temples.

Not too long ago, the anti-Hindu governor (I think) of Andhra Pradesh was attempting to sell land to Christian missionaries to build churches near the Tirupati. Unsurprisingly, his helicopter crashed on/near the 7 hills (I forget where exactly), killing him. (Note how helicopter blades rotate in a manner akin to Vishnu’s chakra!).

The situation is worse further South. My dad tells me that rampant Christian missionary activity occurs in Tamil Nadu, whose government is openly antagonistic towards Hinduism (they endorse the false Aryan Invasion Theory and maintain that North Indians [Aryans] have historically oppressed them. Hats off to Max Muller), Sanskrit (they have banned the chanting of Sanskrit in temples; once again, whole Aryan vs Dravidian conflict), and Brahmins (they are persecuted by the Tamil Nationalist/Dalit run government). In fact, they were one of the first ones to praise Mother Teresa, while ignoring the scandal surrounding her and her organization.

On the Hindu Dharma forums, several members who live in Tamil Nadu posted, saying that “Accept Jesus or else” (something like that) pamphlets were distributed all over their area.

This is only the bare minimum. Missionary activity is prevalent in almost all states and areas, as are their anti-Hindu government sympathizers and their vitriolic anti-Hindu propaganda.

We should not love these people when they refuse to love us. We must fight them every bit of the way; remember that they are the ones with the power and the money. Being complacent while they continually destroy a culture is also an evil, for nothing is worse than losing your identity, your soul.

Very well said Nietzche.

Just a few examples of Christian propaganda against Hinduism:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=199609213405823&oid=139247422786146&comments

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=187814597929428&set=pu.139247422786146

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=188046551239566&set=a.174277929283095.47407.139247422786146

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=175366312507590&set=a.174277929283095.47407.139247422786146

http://www.facebook.com/notes/jesus-love-is-so-great/hinduism-click-to-read/198261510183897

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=187814634596091&set=pu.139247422786146

[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;59188]Very well said Nietzche.

Just a few examples of Christian propaganda against Hinduism:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=199609213405823&oid=139247422786146&comments

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=187814597929428&set=pu.139247422786146

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=188046551239566&set=a.174277929283095.47407.139247422786146

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=175366312507590&set=a.174277929283095.47407.139247422786146

http://www.facebook.com/notes/jesus-love-is-so-great/hinduism-click-to-read/198261510183897

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=187814634596091&set=pu.139247422786146[/QUOTE]

What I found most disgusting about these Facebook groups was not the content but the comments from Indians converts themselves.

More proof that Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are nothing more than virulent epistemological excrement from primitive desert tribes.

I had the same feeling when I read those comments.

[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;59192]I had the same feeling when I read those comments.[/QUOTE]

Indeed. Hasn’t anyone tried to contact FB and shut down these groups?

Yes, many people have, but they continue to allow it.

[QUOTE=oak333;35890]It looks like the old Christian church believed in reincarnation. Emperor Justinian and the cardinals thought the belief in reincarnation might diminish their authority. They gave an edict to abolish the belief in reincarnation. Pope Vigilus refused to sign the edict. He was
arrested but escaped from under the escort.[/QUOTE]

Awesome info, new to me!

A point I have written numerous times in different ways on this board.

(corruption of the original teachings by the romans inorder to control the people)

Amen brother oak.[/QUOTE]

It really seems like turning Jesus from a spiritual instructor to the “only saviour of mankind” was the best way to secure control over people. A spiritual instructor can be heard if one tends to spirituality, but the only saviour you’ll ever had and the fear of eternal fire, how can I not be Christian?!

[QUOTE=Pietro Impagliazzo;59510]Awesome info, new to me!

It really seems like turning Jesus from a spiritual instructor to the “only saviour of mankind” was the best way to secure control over people. A spiritual instructor can be heard if one tends to spirituality, but the only saviour you’ll ever had and the fear of eternal fire, how can I not be Christian?![/QUOTE]

Namaste, Pietro. Aren’t you from the HDF?

[QUOTE=Sarvamaṅgalamaṅgalā;59205]Yes, many people have, but they continue to allow it.[/QUOTE]

Wonderful.

If a Jihadi group popped up on Facebook, it would get shut down.

If anti-Hindu, Christian cultural jihadi groups pop up, then its fine.

Some people sicken me.

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;59518]Namaste, Pietro. Aren’t you from the HDF?[/QUOTE]

Yes, I am. :wink:

Are you also there?

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;59519]Wonderful.

If a Jihadi group popped up on Facebook, it would get shut down.

If anti-Hindu, Christian cultural jihadi groups pop up, then its fine.

Some people sicken me.[/QUOTE]

I’ve flagged a Facebook group propagating “Jesus Love” by denigrating every other religion on the planet. Pretty intelligent tactic.

[QUOTE=Pietro Impagliazzo;59678]Yes, I am. :wink:

Are you also there?

I’ve flagged a Facebook group propagating “Jesus Love” by denigrating every other religion on the planet. Pretty intelligent tactic.[/QUOTE]

Hopefully there will be a lot more “flags” so that the group will get shut down.

When the sky gods descended from the heavens
The man of earth beheld as though sun set in tears
Down they came to instruct men in the ways of fear
For all the graceful things that set ablaze man’s heart
From one pole to another, earth by earth, flesh by flesh
Soul by soul, through and through, fast as a hart…
Butchered in the insidious dark,
of that deceived men as a sinuous light!

[QUOTE=High Wolf;60052]When the sky gods descended from the heavens
The man of earth beheld as though sun set in tears
Down they came to instruct men in the ways of fear
For all the graceful things that set ablaze man’s heart
From one pole to another, earth by earth, flesh by flesh
Soul by soul, through and through, fast as a hart…
Butchered in the insidious dark,
of that deceived men as a sinuous light![/QUOTE]

Where is this poem from High Wolf?

From nowhere. For I simply improvised it. Sometimes poetry is the best way to describe the verbally unexpressed heart of a certain issue. For such purpose, we, humans, created poetry. Not that I claim that such poem above touches upon the heart, tho’ I think it summarizes my point on the “matter at hand”.

[QUOTE=High Wolf;60224]From nowhere. For I simply improvised it. Sometimes poetry is the best way to describe the verbally unexpressed heart of a certain issue. For such purpose, we, humans, created poetry. Not that I claim that such poem above touches upon the heart, tho’ I think it summarizes my point on the “matter at hand”.[/QUOTE]

I personally dislike poetry.

What the hell am I saying? I HATE poetry and anything that has to do with the subjects of English Language/Composition.

I will always be a math and science person.

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;60309]I personally dislike poetry.

What the hell am I saying? I HATE poetry and anything that has to do with the subjects of English Language/Composition.

I will always be a math and science person.[/QUOTE]

When I was younger, I had no interest in poetry whatsoever. In fact found it boring too. And then I fell in love with a certain somebody, and poetry entered my life all of a sudden. My crush has failed, as the girl moved away. Tho’ ever since, my respect for poetry has grown enormously insofar as poetry has come to be my way of contact with the will of whole.

If you fall in love someday, you might be surprised to find out what you’ve so far assumed about yourself :wink:

[QUOTE=High Wolf;60462]When I was younger, I had no interest in poetry whatsoever. In fact found it boring too. And then I fell in love with a certain somebody, and poetry entered my life all of a sudden. My crush has failed, as the girl moved away. Tho' ever since, my respect for poetry has grown enormously insofar as poetry has come to be my way of contact with the will of whole.

If you fall in love someday, you might be surprised to find out what you've so far assumed about yourself ;)[/QUOTE]

Theres nothing more beautiful than math/science. Nothing will ever convince me otherwise!!!!

MATH AND SCIENCE (esp. Physics) FOR EVAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn’t have time to go through all the posts but there is a document published by the Theosophical Society which confirms that the doctrine of reincarnation was removed and denied of Christianity in the 3rd Church Convention in Constantinobles in the mid 6th century.

REINCARNATIONS OF JESUS
Adam
Amiluis - pyramid architect
Enoch
Melchizedek
Zend(father of zoraster)
Joseph -son of jacob
Joshua -medium for moses
Jeshua
Jesus
Source is Edgar Cayce On Jesus And His Church By Anne Read under the editorship of Hugh Lynn Cayce

What’s it got to do with me? He was my brother.

Jim