I think homosexuality is a disorder, but if not practiced is not a sin or immoral behavior.
Homosexuality is a disorder? Then what does this disorder actually produce? Does it impair ones ability to function in life? Homosexuals are found in all fields hetrosexuals are found in and function the same, including the army. Be careful one day a homosexual might be saving your ass 
There are plenty of other disorders. I have disorders too. I didn’t say that I couldn’t do business with a disordered person, especially since I’ve got my own to deal with.
[QUOTE=thomas;48620][B]I think an atheist is someone who denies the existence of God.[/B] If a person in good conscience believes that, then that’s what he believes. So my thinking about [B]an atheist is that he doesn’t believe in God.[/B][/QUOTE]
You realize that these are two different things?
There are plenty of other disorders. I have disorders too. I didn’t say that I couldn’t do business with a disordered person, especially since I’ve got my own to deal with.
Yeah, then tell me how exactly is it a disorder? If homosexual people can be just as healthy and just as functional as heterosexual people, where exactly is the disorder?
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;48637]Yeah, then tell me how exactly is it a disorder? If homosexual people can be just as healthy and just as functional as heterosexual people, where exactly is the disorder?[/QUOTE]
The disorder is in the desire to have sexual relations with the same sex.
However, it’s not a sin. The sin is in giving into the disordered desire and practicing it.
But I agree that we can all have jobs and otherwise function even though we have disordered desires and behaviors.
[QUOTE=thomas;48644]The disorder is in the desire to have sexual relations with the same sex.
However, it’s not a sin. The sin is in giving into the disordered desire and practicing it.
But I agree that we can all have jobs and otherwise function even though we have disordered desires and behaviors.[/QUOTE]
You think that having a desire for the same sex is a disorder? However desire is something we have naturally within us(Freud called us a desire producing machine) which we can learn and also inherit. I had no desire for Thai food until recently, when I first tried it and loved it. Now I desire Thai food. Similarly, I had no desire for kissing, until I tried it the first time and liked it. Now I love kissing.
Now a gay person desires to have contact with the same sex, and you have a desire for contact with the opposite sex. Why is their desire disorderly and yours orderly? Some people like Marmite and some people do not, does not make either person disorderly now does it? Now if you are going to tell me because only the congress between opposite sexes can conceive together, then fine, but desire is not about conceiving - it is still simply about what gives you pleasure. If two consenting adults of the same sex agree to pleasure one another sexually, how is that disorderly? It floats their boat - it does not float yours.
[QUOTE=thomas;48620]Why don’t you let me answer instead of answering for me.
I think homosexuality is a disorder, but if not practiced is not a sin or immoral behavior.
I think an atheist is someone who denies the existence of God. If a person in good conscience believes that, then that’s what he believes. So my thinking about an atheist is that he doesn’t believe in God.[/QUOTE]
Homosexuality is genetic. You do know that right? So why do you say it is immoral for someone to act upon their sexual orientation? Homosexuality is as natural an inclination as heterosexuality. You have no right to define what is natural and what is not natural according to human constructs such as religion. Homosexuals are as human as any other. They deserve the same rights as any other humans. The hate they get from Christianized societies is despicable.
Thanks for defining an atheist, even though that wasn’t question. Let me rephrase it; what [B]opinion[/B] do you have of atheists?
[QUOTE=thomas;48620]
I think homosexuality is a disorder, but if not practiced is not a sin or immoral behavior.
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Are you out of your mind? How is homosexuality a disorder? And how is practicing homosexuality a sin or immoral? Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of time. It was around long before the Judeo-Christian religions were invented.
[QUOTE=Star Light;48724]Are you out of your mind? How is homosexuality a disorder? And how is practicing homosexuality a sin or immoral? Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of time. It was around long before the Judeo-Christian religions were invented.[/QUOTE]
He is a Christian, so don’t be too surprised at his misconceptions of homosexuality. But unlike most Christians, he has an unusual tendency to learn and accept so soon, this won’t become too much of an issue.
That is the unfortunate thing about most christians. They can’t seem to learn from the mistakes that their religion has made about mankind.
[QUOTE=Star Light;48726]That is the unfortunate thing about most christians. They can’t seem to learn from the mistakes that their religion has made about mankind.[/QUOTE]
And that is precisely what SD and I try to say all the time. Christians have never learned from their mistakes. They think the present conditions of the non-Western countries of the world is justification for the assumption that Christianity is the greatest religion in the world. Christianity has inculcated a disgusting Antisemitic, anti-black, and white/Western supremacist sentiment in the Western world. They lie. They subvert other cultures. All they want is more converts. There is almost nothing of value (except Jesus) in any of the Abrahamic religions.
[QUOTE=Star Light;48724]Are you out of your mind? How is homosexuality a disorder? And how is practicing homosexuality a sin or immoral? Homosexuality has been around since the beginning of time. It was around long before the Judeo-Christian religions were invented.[/QUOTE]
Infanticide predates Christianity too.
So? That makes it right?
But doesn’t just plain common sense make one wonder if there is something not quite right about wanting to joing a sex organ to a poop-chute?
[QUOTE=Nietzsche;48713]Homosexuality is genetic. You do know that right? So why do you say it is immoral for someone to act upon their sexual orientation? Homosexuality is as natural an inclination as heterosexuality. You have no right to define what is natural and what is not natural according to human constructs such as religion. Homosexuals are as human as any other. They deserve the same rights as any other humans. The hate they get from Christianized societies is despicable.
Thanks for defining an atheist, even though that wasn’t question. Let me rephrase it; what [B]opinion[/B] do you have of atheists?[/QUOTE]
You asked me what I believe and now you tell me I have “no right” to believe it. Don’t bother asking next time if you don’t want an answer.
I don’t have any opinion about atheists. It’s their belief. I have dark times of doubt sometimes, so I don’t fault someone for not believing. I only fault those atheists who use their atheism to mock others who have faith.
[QUOTE=thomas;48744]Infanticide predates Christianity too.
So? That makes it right?
But doesn’t just plain common sense make one wonder if there is something not quite right about wanting to joing a sex organ to a poop-chute?[/QUOTE]
You still didn’t answer my question. How is it a sin? Because someone in the bible said so? Infanticide obviously harms a living person, homosexuality does not. Just to let you know, “joining a sex organ to a poop-chute” isn’t necessarily homosexual, FYI ;).
Homosexuality was removed in 1974 from the DSM (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Illness). It is no longer considered a mental illness or a disorder. Rightly so. Anyone who perpetuates the idea that homosexuality is a disorder does so out of fear or ignorance. As a society, it is time we accept and love all people. If we don’t, we are not adhering to our faith.
As I have many gay friends, this is near and dear to my heart. What they go through with regards to discrimination and hatred should not be tolerated. They are no different than you or I. We need to dissolve the walls that divide us.
Homosexuality used to be considered a mental disorder??!!! I can’t believe how stupid we used to be!!
Hehe, it’s actually very refreshing to finally see one issue that unites people in this forum 
[QUOTE=lotusgirl;48768]Homosexuality was removed in 1974 from the DSM (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Illness). It is no longer considered a mental illness or a disorder. Rightly so. Anyone who perpetuates the idea that homosexuality is a disorder does so out of fear or ignorance. As a society, it is time we accept and love all people. If we don’t, we are not adhering to our faith.
As I have many gay friends, this is near and dear to my heart. What they go through with regards to discrimination and hatred should not be tolerated. They are no different than you or I. We need to dissolve the walls that divide us.[/QUOTE]
This is what’s wrong with our society. We’re too accepting and encouraging of aberrant behavior.
Sensible men are all of the same religion -Earl of Shafterbury
[QUOTE=lotusgirl;48768]Homosexuality was removed in 1974 from the DSM (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Illness). It is no longer considered a mental illness or a disorder. Rightly so. Anyone who perpetuates the idea that homosexuality is a disorder does so out of fear or ignorance. As a society, it is time we accept and love all people. If we don’t, we are not adhering to our faith.
As I have many gay friends, this is near and dear to my heart. What they go through with regards to discrimination and hatred should not be tolerated. They are no different than you or I. We need to dissolve the walls that divide us.[/QUOTE]
Sadly this also begs the question as to why Pre 1974 the DSM considered it a mental illness? As well to what degree an ignorant and fearful, as you say organization maintains any credibility? Perhaps it is through change?
(Allow pause for your cryptic message to be digested)
Random fact moment:
Homosexuality was not even coined until 1869 ( Hungarian Physician Dr. Benkert.) Further baffling is that the ancient Greeks had NO term for homosexuality or homosexuals, dearly terms for the specific roles.