[QUOTE=Surya Deva;48520]And you are lost for words. One-liners are boring. When you start fleshing out your points, and actually say something of substance, I might actually considering reading your posts, rather than skipping them.[/QUOTE]
I know you read pretty much everything I say. Wheras with me I may read about 15% of your total output.
Sometimes you serve up some nice nuggets.
[QUOTE=Yogamark;48793]Sadly this also begs the question as to why Pre 1974 the DSM considered it a mental illness? As well to what degree an ignorant and fearful, as you say organization maintains any credibility? Perhaps it is through change?
(Allow pause for your cryptic message to be digested)
Random fact moment:
Homosexuality was not even coined until 1869 ( Hungarian Physician Dr. Benkert.) Further baffling is that the ancient Greeks had NO term for homosexuality or homosexuals, dearly terms for the specific roles.[/QUOTE]
Because back then, this country was still heavily under the influence of idiotic Christian dogma. There is absolutely nothing wrong with homosexuals. They are as normal as any other human. They deserve the same rights. Period.
Who cares if the Greeks didn’t coin the term? Hardly any society/civilization back then had separate term for what we call “homosexuals” today.
[B]Originally Posted by thomas[/B]
SD has provided “proof” that convinces himself of reincarnation. I don’t see any reason to believe in this fantasy, and totally depressing concept. He has proof of all his “astral planes” too?
[B]Originally Posted by ME![/B]
you don’t believe in the fantastic and depressing concept because you can’t see it?
This is Shocking from a man of faith.
[B]THOMAS I TOTALLY OWNED YOU AND THE ENTIRETY OF CHRISENDOM IN TWO SENTENCES. [/B]
Just like to point that out.
again.
I win.
/forum
[QUOTE=Yogamark;48792]Sensible men are all of the same religion -Earl of Shafterbury[/QUOTE]
I would modify that to, sensible men are all of no religion… makes a little more sense.
[QUOTE=The Scales;48802][B]Originally Posted by thomas[/B]
SD has provided “proof” that convinces himself of reincarnation. I don’t see any reason to believe in this fantasy, and totally depressing concept. He has proof of all his “astral planes” too?
[B]Originally Posted by ME![/B]
you don’t believe in the fantastic and depressing concept because you can’t see it?
This is Shocking from a man of faith.
[B]THOMAS I TOTALLY OWNED YOU AND THE ENTIRETY OF CHRISENDOM IN TWO SENTENCES. [/B]
Just like to point that out.
again.
I win.
/forum[/QUOTE]
You DO WIN! esp with that awesome Count Dante avatar!
You’re a WINNER!!! 
[QUOTE=thomas;48744]But doesn’t just plain common sense make one wonder if there is something not quite right about wanting to joing a sex organ to a poop-chute?[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? It’s all kinds of right! 
[QUOTE=Indra Deva;48812]What are you talking about? It’s all kinds of right! ;)[/QUOTE]
Agreed, I like to view it as nature’s birth control ;).
[QUOTE=The Scales;48802][B]Originally Posted by thomas[/B]
SD has provided “proof” that convinces himself of reincarnation. I don’t see any reason to believe in this fantasy, and totally depressing concept. He has proof of all his “astral planes” too?
[B]Originally Posted by ME![/B]
you don’t believe in the fantastic and depressing concept because you can’t see it?
This is Shocking from a man of faith.
[B]THOMAS I TOTALLY OWNED YOU AND THE ENTIRETY OF CHRISENDOM IN TWO SENTENCES. [/B]
Just like to point that out.
again.
I win.
/forum[/QUOTE]
I shouldn’t have said it in such an insulting way, and you do sort of have a point.
So what do you want for a prize? Would you like a chocolate chip cookie?
Is it “hatred” to have a religious belief that homosexual behavior is a sin and a disorder? Where is the “hate”?
Is it “hatred” to have a reigious belief that masturbation, use of contraception, abortion, fornication, and adultery are sins and disordered behaviors?
There is no place in the life of a practicing Catholic for these things, but people are fee to be and do what they want, just as I am free to answer a question on a message board about my religious beliefs, which are rooted in love and not hate.
[QUOTE=thomas;48819]Is it “hatred” to have a religious belief that homosexual behavior is a sin and a disorder? Where is the “hate”?
Is it “hatred” to have a reigious belief that masturbation, use of contraception, abortion, fornication, and adultery are sins and disordered behaviors?
There is no place in the life of a practicing Catholic for these things, but people are fee to be and do what they want, just as I am free to answer a question on a message board about my religious beliefs, which are rooted in love and not hate.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but [B]WHY[/B] do you think that these were decreed to be “sinful” behaviors?
[QUOTE=thomas;48818]I shouldn’t have said it in such an insulting way, and you do sort of have a point.
So what do you want for a prize? Would you like a chocolate chip cookie?[/QUOTE]
Your response to me is reward enough.
Carry on Soldier. I’ll see you on the Battlefield.
Yeah, but WHY do you think that these were decreed to be “sinful” behaviors?
Because they are all misuse of the procreative and unitive gift of sexuality, intended for a married man and woman.
But don’t ask me to prove something based on a religion, because I would have to prove the religion, and there’s not enough space for that, and I don’t have the time or the ability.
My belief should not be a threat to anyone. I’m not threatened if someone behaves contrary to my beliefs, believes my beliefs are wrong, or beilieves that it’s normal for two men to copulate.
[QUOTE=thomas;48819]Is it “hatred” to have a religious belief that homosexual behavior is a sin and a disorder? Where is the “hate”?
Is it “hatred” to have a reigious belief that masturbation, use of contraception, abortion, fornication, and adultery are sins and disordered behaviors?
There is no place in the life of a practicing Catholic for these things, but people are fee to be and do what they want, just as I am free to answer a question on a message board about my religious beliefs, which are rooted in love and not hate.[/QUOTE]
It’s not hatred, but it is strange that you have a belief that human nature is a disorder. Everybody masturbates, even if they don’t think they do (Most people do it in their sleep.) I also wonder how you define contraception. Do you think it’s just about taking a pill or getting a shot… or do you also believe that not engaging in coitus at a certain time of the month is unacceptable? There are many women who use the timing method as birth control. Is that wrong? Your issue with abortion is your own and I do not intend to change your mind about that. I’m just glad that I live in a country that respects women and their decisions about their own body. As for fornication… once again it’s human nature. It’s how many people make the decision that they want a relationship with someone else. People are visual. Your biology tells you what is attractive and you seek it out. You are not going to spend time getting to know someone unless you have lustful thoughts for them. It’s not your fault, it’s biology. Adultery is also biology. The human species is not meant to be monogamous. It is wired in our brain to go out and seek different lovers. It was not until the church got a grip on the world that monogamy became the norm.
By contraception I mean using “plugs or drugs” to try to fool Mother Nature. Avoiding intercourse at certain times is not contraception.
I see you have totally different ideas about human sexuality than that of the Church. I disagree with your belifs. But I shared what I believe because I was asked. I don’t hate or disrespect others who have other beliefs, and wouldn’t have mentioned them if I had not been asked. I’m not trying to force these beliefs on others, but hope others would try to understand and see if there is some logic behind them.
Regarding abortion, I believe it kills a baby. In the US we do that over 3,000 times a day in the name of “choice.” Many of those who talk about Catholic beliefs being “hate” are perfectly fine with this slaughter, and always vote for those who support it, so where is the “hate” in reality? If not “hate,” it’s certainly not “love,” at least from the perspective of those unjustly terminated.
[QUOTE=thomas;48826]By contraception I mean using “plugs or drugs” to try to fool Mother Nature. Avoiding intercourse at certain times is not contraception.
I see you have totally different ideas about human sexuality than that of the Church. I disagree with your belifs. But I shared what I believe because I was asked. I don’t hate or disrespect others who have other beliefs, and wouldn’t have mentioned them if I had not been asked. I’m not trying to force these beliefs on others, but hope others would try to understand and see if there is some logic behind them.
Regarding abortion, I believe it kills a baby. In the US we do that over 3,000 times a day in the name of “choice.” Many of those who talk about Catholic beliefs being “hate” are perfectly fine with this slaughter, and always vote for those who support it, so where is the “hate” in reality? If not “hate,” it’s certainly not “love,” at least from the perspective of those unjustly terminated.[/QUOTE]
I have many beliefs that are different than the church because they defy human nature. Christianity is not logical at all. The use of birth control, abortion and other things you have mentioned have been around since the beginning of time. Plants that your “God” supposedly put on this earth can be used for birth control and can induce abortion. Are those plants wrong or bad? If you don’t think it’s right to trick mother nature than you must also be against chemotherapy, prescription drugs, and modern medicine of any kind. As far as abortion (I’m going out on a limb here), if a mother is going to die if she continues her pregnancy is it still wrong to terminate the pregnancy. I know that these are a small percentage of abortions but the point is still valid. Is it right to let a woman die, when she could be saved with a common procedure? That is why I see no logic in christian values.
[QUOTE=thomas;48819]Is it “hatred” to have a religious belief that homosexual behavior is a sin and a disorder? Where is the “hate”?
Is it “hatred” to have a reigious belief that masturbation, use of contraception, abortion, fornication, and adultery are sins and disordered behaviors?
There is no place in the life of a practicing Catholic for these things, but people are fee to be and do what they want, just as I am free to answer a question on a message board about my religious beliefs, which are rooted in love and not hate.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is hatred. If it is these very religious beliefs that have caused the subjugations of entire groups of people, then it is wrong. Just because the dogma appears in the chocolate coated guise of religion, that doesn’t make it right.
Oh god! Talk of sex-related things! I can’t read these things! I am too young! I am innocent!
DAVID, GIVE THIS THREAD A RATED R RATING!
Wet Dreams are Nature’s Masturbation.
Not that I’d know, I’ve never had one. I prefer the “Guided Meditation” method… started with the Sears catalog & never looked back!!!
[QUOTE=Indra Deva;48850]Wet Dreams are Nature’s Masturbation.
Not that I’d know, I’ve never had one. I prefer the “Guided Meditation” method… started with the Sears catalog & never looked back!!! ;)[/QUOTE]
NOOOOOOO! STOP IT! The decadence of innocence! Corruption of the mind! The loss of childish innocence and purity through the reinforcement of [insert that* word] realities!
YOU MONSTER! Looking at inappropriate material! How COULD YOU!
Sexual pleasure for me…is the act of learning Physics and Calculus. The greatest wonders in life…the most beautiful things in the world. Nothing can compare…look at my signature…
Quote:
Originally Posted by lotusgirl
Homosexuality was removed in 1974 from the DSM (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Illness). It is no longer considered a mental illness or a disorder. Rightly so. Anyone who perpetuates the idea that homosexuality is a disorder does so out of fear or ignorance. As a society, it is time we accept and love all people. If we don’t, we are not adhering to our faith.
As I have many gay friends, this is near and dear to my heart. What they go through with regards to discrimination and hatred should not be tolerated. They are no different than you or I. We need to dissolve the walls that divide us.
Sadly this also begs the question as to why Pre 1974 the DSM considered it a mental illness? As well to what degree an ignorant and fearful, as you say organization maintains any credibility? Perhaps it is through change?
(Allow pause for your cryptic message to be digested)
??? Sorry, I don’t see a cryptic message. Explain perhaps?
And with my statement regarding ignorance and fear, my meaning was society in general. Mind you, not all, but a good portion. And this would include said organization.
Asuri,
I disagree with you! Sorry. We need to accept and love equally. Rejection only spurs hatred and resentment. Nothing good comes from that. My friends who are gay are the kindest, gentlest, most giving and compassionate people I know.
Thomas,
I understand you have your faith and your own beliefs. I will not try to make you understand or change your mind. That is not my intention. My intention was to share mine.
[QUOTE=lotusgirl;48852]Quote:
Originally Posted by lotusgirl
Homosexuality was removed in 1974 from the DSM (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Illness). It is no longer considered a mental illness or a disorder. Rightly so. Anyone who perpetuates the idea that homosexuality is a disorder does so out of fear or ignorance. As a society, it is time we accept and love all people. If we don’t, we are not adhering to our faith.
As I have many gay friends, this is near and dear to my heart. [B]What they go through with regards to discrimination and hatred should not be tolerated. [/B]They are no different than you or I. We need to dissolve the walls that divide us.
??? Sorry, I don’t see a cryptic message. Explain perhaps?
And with my statement regarding ignorance and fear, my meaning was society in general. Mind you, not all, but a good portion. And this would include said organization.
Asuri,
I disagree with you! Sorry. We need to accept and love equally. Rejection only spurs hatred and resentment. Nothing good comes from that. My friends who are gay are the kindest, gentlest, most giving and compassionate people I know.
Thomas,
I understand you have your faith and your own beliefs. I will not try to make you understand or change your mind. That is not my intention. My intention was to share mine.[/QUOTE]
And when I make that same exact statement regarding the oppression of our culture and religion, I am deemed a racist and a Hindutva nationalist. Societal double standard FTW!