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#101

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;48851]NOOOOOOO! STOP IT! The decadence of innocence! Corruption of the mind! The loss of childish innocence and purity through the reinforcement of [insert that* word] realities!

YOU MONSTER! Looking at inappropriate material! How COULD YOU!

Sexual pleasure for me…is the act of learning Physics and Calculus. The greatest wonders in life…the most beautiful things in the world. Nothing can compare…look at my signature…[/QUOTE]

Okay Sheldon, just put me back on <IGNORE>. I’m not interested in your childish mathematical perversions.

#102

[QUOTE=Indra Deva;48858]Okay Sheldon, just put me back on <IGNORE>. I’m not interested in your childish mathematical perversions.[/QUOTE]

Oh but I do have you on ignore. I just love laughing at what post every once in a while.

But this ARE srs bsns you say here…

MATHEMATICAL PERVERSIONS?!!?! HOW DARE YOU! Math and Science is beautiful! EVERYONE MUST DEDICATE THEIR LIVES TO THESE TEACHINGS!!!

I for one am a true devotee of math and science. In my bedroom, there are pictures of Sir Isaac Newton*, Gottfried Leibniz, Karl Friedrich Gauss*, Albert Einstein*, Pierre Simon Laplace, Blaise Pascal, Erwin Schroedinger, Werner Heisenberg, Archimedes, Aryabhatta, Pingala, Brahmagupta, Madhava, Al-Buruni, Omar Khyyam, Leonardo da Vinci, Zhang Heng, Satyendra Nath Bose, Subrahmanyan Chandrashekar…

#103

I am glad that others are now seeing why we critical and progressive thinkers want to get rid of the influence of Abrahamic thinking on this planet. The view that homosexuality is a sin and a disorder is a view supported by the clergies of many Church organizations and the OT also teaches that it is a sin.

The dharmic religions do not teach that human nature is sin. They teach, instead that we should work through out natural desires and realise our own divinity progressively.

#104

The dharmic religions do not teach that human nature is sin. They teach, instead that we should work through out natural desires and realise our own divinity progressively.

What if someone naturally desires to eat 12 meals a day and vomit up most of it?

Or is this desire “unnatural”?

#105

[QUOTE=thomas;49200]What if someone naturally desires to eat 12 meals a day and vomit up most of it?

Or is this desire “unnatural”?[/QUOTE]

You misinterpreted the statement. It refers to primal desires for sustenance and sexual pleasure. Regardless, Bulimia a [I]disorder[/I] my friend. It is [I]physcological[/I] than rather than “unnatural.” Nevertheless, the person in question should seek support and therapy to get rid of the influence of this disorder, which in itself is a desire for losing weight through overloading the body with food and proceeding to regurgitate it.

#106

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;49205]You misinterpreted the statement. It refers to primal desires for sustenance and sexual pleasure. Regardless, Bulimia a [I]disorder[/I] my friend. It is [I]physcological[/I] than rather than “unnatural.” Nevertheless, the person in question should seek support and therapy to get rid of the influence of this disorder, which in itself is a desire for losing weight through overloading the body with food and proceeding to regurgitate it.[/QUOTE]

Why couldn’t there be such a thing as “sexual bulimia”?

Isn’t using contraceptive devices doing the same thing? It’s a similar trick to glean pleasure while avoiding the substance of the act.

And what if someone wanted to shove food up his rectum? Would that be natural or unnatural?

#107

[QUOTE=lotusgirl;48852]Quote:
Originally Posted by lotusgirl
Homosexuality was removed in 1974 from the DSM (The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Illness). It is no longer considered a mental illness or a disorder. Rightly so. Anyone who perpetuates the idea that homosexuality is a disorder does so out of fear or ignorance. As a society, it is time we accept and love all people. If we don’t, we are not adhering to our faith.

As I have many gay friends, this is near and dear to my heart. What they go through with regards to discrimination and hatred should not be tolerated. They are no different than you or I. We need to dissolve the walls that divide us.

??? Sorry, I don’t see a cryptic message. Explain perhaps?

And with my statement regarding ignorance and fear, my meaning was society in general. Mind you, not all, but a good portion. And this would include said organization.

Asuri,
I disagree with you! Sorry. We need to accept and love equally. Rejection only spurs hatred and resentment. Nothing good comes from that. My friends who are gay are the kindest, gentlest, most giving and compassionate people I know.

Thomas,

I understand you have your faith and your own beliefs. I will not try to make you understand or change your mind. That is not my intention. My intention was to share mine.[/QUOTE]

Well said Lotusgirl!!!

#108

Nobody said anything about rejection or hatred, karen. She was barking up the wrong tree.

#109

[QUOTE=thomas;49208]Why couldn’t there be such a thing as “sexual bulimia”?

Isn’t using contraceptive devices doing the same thing? It’s a similar trick to glean pleasure while avoiding the substance of the act.

And what if someone wanted to shove food up his rectum? Would that be natural or unnatural?[/QUOTE]

“Sexual bulimia.” I am only a teen and yet that phrase caused raucous laughter to emit from my mouth. Wait…OH GOD! I AM NOT READY FOR THIS YET!

Uhh…Thomas…I am teen born into a Hindu family that is very overprotective about me learning such sexually related things…I don’t know what you are trying to say. I thought contraception was something like artificial insemination except with a pill? In that case, wouldn’t it be alright since you want to have a baby without having…gulp - se…seee…she…SHEXx?

What are you trying to ask me? Well, that is just plain “crazy.” Obvious mental disorder or physcological damage. More like a case of “mentally stable” or “unstable” than “natural” or “unnatural.” Like I said before, the person in question should seek help to eradicate these desires and “fix himself up.” After all, he/she is a human and just grew up in a different environment… “Natural” is too broad of a term anyway. “Natural,” in my definition, is something that is of nature. In this case, those actions would be “natural,” in the same way you have bi giraffes, homosexual wild animals, and etc.

#110

What if someone naturally desires to eat 12 meals a day and vomit up most of it?

Or is this desire “unnatural”?

No all desires are natural i.e., they are caused by natural causes. The real question you should be asking is, is it orderly or disorderly and does it fulfill our needs. From that perspective homosexuality is disorderly, but then all of our desires are also disorderly. Why do we desire fizzy drinks and hamburgers? Why do we consume sugar, salt, vinegar? Why do we desire mobile phones, gadgets, computers? Why do we kiss and cuddle? How do they help to fulfill the natural functions.

We should only eat as much as we need to keep our body and minds healthy and supple. In terms of relationships we should only socialise with those people who we need to to socialise with(family, teachers, peers, spouse) in their respectives spheres, and sex should only be required for reproduction and nothing else. In terms of intellectual needs we should accept that as true which is supported by evidence and all our arguments most be demonstrated at every point. In terms of spiritual needs we should all meditate.

The above is an ideal functional human. The reality is however far from that. We consume unhealthy food and drink which is simply not required(jam donuts, beer, salt and vinegar, pizza, kebabs, chips etc) In terms of relationships we have dating cultures, facebook and twitter culture, pub and clubs where everybody socialises with one another. Sex is had for pleasure and not reproduction. In terms of intellect we accept myths, theories and assumptions as true. In terms of spirituality we worship gods and goddesses and pray.

In fact all desire is disorderly because desire takes you away from needs. So if the desire of homosexuality is disorderly, then so is every other desire. However, you can’t help the fact that you are filled with desires(desire producing machine) just as the homosexual cannot help the fact that they have desire for the same-sex. So just as you need to work through your desires, they too need to work through their desires.

The ideal human being would have no desire at all. You are not an ideal human being.

#111

Your parents are wise. I do not want you to cross any boundaries that they would not want you to cross, so by all means ignore those kinds of questions. Besides, though in response to your comment, it is also a general question for anyone in this discussion.

#112

[QUOTE=thomas;49217]Your parents are wise. I do not want you to cross any boundaries that they would not want you to cross, so by all means ignore those kinds of questions. Besides, though in response to your comment, it is also a general question for anyone in this discussion.[/QUOTE]

Heh Heh. It has done more harm than good. Trust me. And when the [I]time[/I] comes…I won’t know what to “do.” :???:

#113

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;49216]No all desires are natural i.e., they are caused by natural causes. The real question you should be asking is, is it orderly or disorderly and does it fulfill our needs. From that perspective homosexuality is disorderly, but then all of our desires are also disorderly. Why do we desire fizzy drinks and hamburgers? Why do we consume sugar, salt, vinegar? Why do we desire mobile phones, gadgets, computers? Why do we kiss and cuddle? How do they help to fulfill the natural functions.

We should only eat as much as we need to keep our body and minds healthy and supple. In terms of relationships we should only socialise with those people who we need to to socialise with(family, teachers, peers, spouse) in their respectives spheres, and sex should only be required for reproduction and nothing else. In terms of intellectual needs we should accept that as true which is supported by evidence and all our arguments most be demonstrated at every point. In terms of spiritual needs we should all meditate.

The above is an ideal functional human. The reality is however far from that. We consume unhealthy food and drink which is simply not required(jam donuts, beer, salt and vinegar, pizza, kebabs, chips etc) In terms of relationships we have dating cultures, facebook and twitter culture, pub and clubs where everybody socialises with one another. Sex is had for pleasure and not reproduction. In terms of intellect we accept myths, theories and assumptions as true. In terms of spirituality we worship gods and goddesses and pray.

In fact all desire is disorderly because desire takes you away from needs. So if the desire of homosexuality is disorderly, then so is every other desire. However, you can’t help the fact that you are filled with desires(desire producing machine) just as the homosexual cannot help the fact that they have desire for the same-sex. So just as you need to work through your desires, they too need to work through their desires.

The ideal human being would have no desire at all. You are not an ideal human being.[/QUOTE]

Ahh, once again SD saves the day and states what I was really trying to convey. :smiley:

#114

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;49222]Heh Heh. It has done more harm than good. Trust me. And when the [I]time[/I] comes…I won’t know what to “do.” :???:[/QUOTE]

I should have been so “overprotective” of my two boys. I trusted them, and they both burned me. The truth is that it takes more work to be “overprotective” than it does to trust too soon, and I took the easier road, and failed them. Thank God for your good parents, or at least thank Sir Isaac. Trust me…you will know what “to do,” and I hope that time is many years from now, and there is nothing wrong with not going down that road at all.

#115

I am gay and have been so ever since I can remember. Did I choose to be gay? No! But my genetics and DNA decided for me that in this incarnation that it would be best for me to be gay to enable me to learn certain lessons. As Swami Karunananda of the Divine Life Society in Johannesburg said to me years ago as a young man when I asked her why God made me gay, she said: “becasue God wanted to give you a break from family life in this incarnation, make the most of your break.” I am making the most of it and I am grateful to the Divine for the break.

I am involved for 17 years with the same person, I cannot see how my love for him and having a healthy sexual relationship (and gay sex is not always about having anal intercourse, that is a misconception by many straights) can be sinful or even detrimental to anybody.

I am just so glad I have reincarnated in a country where my human rights and that as a gay person is protected by our constitution. Viva South Africa!

#116

Whatever two people want to do in their homes is no concern of mine, whether they are straight or gay.

But a Christian’s sexual practices should be confined within a marriage between a man and a woman. If a Christian man is unmarried and he has feelings for a woman, he should not indulge those feelings unless and until he marries her. If a married Christian man has feelings for another woman or another man, he should not indulge those feelings, and should flee the temptation. If a man has feelings for another man, he should not indulge them. He should resign himself to the celibate and single life, as many heterosexual people must do as well…IF…they care to truly practice their Christian faith.

And gay people are protected in the US too. It is a crime to kill or rob a gay person, just as much as it is to do likewise to a straight person.

#117

Fortunately I am legally married under South African law to my partner. So I suppose according your above argument then Thomas it is ok for me to have sex with my partner? Or not?

#118

Then why did you make such a uninformed and hurtful comment such as this one:

#119

But doesn’t just plain common sense make one wonder if there is something not quite right about wanting to joing a sex organ to a poop-chute?

Then there is something not quite right to joining the sex organ with the mouth or the sex organ to the hand or mouth to the mouth. Heck, then, most of the Yoga postures would be not quite right, such as joining the leg to back of the head :smiley:

If we go by your logic of only using our body to perform its functions we would have to get rid of many practices humans do. The mouth’s function is to consume food, break it down with the teeth and enzymes in saliva, and send it on its merry way down to the stomach to be digested. Yet we use this mouth also to kiss. Is kissing sinful now also? Do you kiss Thomas?

#120

My apologies for my crude comment.