Forgot an important word. Let me restate:
Well then, I guess from my end this discussion is over.
Namaste!
There’s no need to agree with what other religions believe in order to live together. I would have thought that it to be so healthy to think all religions are one. They are all different but they are all just our attempts to answer the unanswerable. They are all different and all the same. Just like we are as humans. Look at the second video. His Holiness says that Atman is the Hindus problem and Anatman is the Buddhists problem. Which is fine. The point is we need to come together as one regardless of our differences.
Differences cannot be ignored.
Of course we should come together but in order for us to come together we have to come to a common agreement. This means sorting out the differences through proper debate.
Maybe.
You don’t bother me because I ignore our different ways of thinking. Or maybe it’s because I choose to enjoy or accept our differences. It’s like that old guy at the local bar who is super grouchy all the time. His difference is ignored because people accept that he is grouchy and that’s who he is.
It’s when we try to change others so that they’re not different or convince them that they’re wrong that we get into trouble. I usually don’t engage in all these debates because I know I’m not going to change you or convince you of another way of thinking. Instead, I choose to ignore our differences and enjoy what you have to say.
For whatever reason, most humans want all other humans to be just like us. I wonder why that is? It’s like a rose getting pissed that a poppy doesn’t smell like a rose. There’s something super silly going on. 
my word is the troof.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;35499]Differences cannot be ignored.
Of course we should come together but in order for us to come together we have to come to a common agreement. This means sorting out the differences through proper debate.[/QUOTE]
That’s hectic. You must be in a state of perpetual debate. I’m sure that’s not what coming together means.
In the end there is only one truth and one science. We will all eventually have to agree on that. In science everybody can agree on an experiment and replicate the results and then we arrive at a common consensus. Similarly, yogis agree on the experiment of meditation and have arrived at a common consensus on what happens during meditation.
The grouchy old man may indeed be different, but I bet you most people would want the grouchy old man to eventually be happy and peaceful. So differences will have to be sorted out or otherwise the grouchy man will remain alienated. In todays globalized world where the entire world is now coming together there is obviously going to have be an agreement on how the world should be, because it concerns everybody. That agreement should be based on what is best for the world and this requires debate.
According to me what is best for the world is a Hindu world. It is easy to see why a Hindu world would be the best for the world. If we had Hindu education systems our children will be doing Yoga and meditation at school which will help them become more calmer, alert and have more energy and make best use of their faculities. If we had Hindu economic systems society will be arranged according to the aptitude of people based on what is best for society. Rather than what is best for certain individuals who want to make profit. If we had Hindu medical systems, we will be living ecological and healthy lifestyles that prevent disease which will prolong our life and have holistic methods to treat disease.
Sooner or later it will become fact that reincarnation and the soul are actual realities and that we come to this Earth for the purpose of self-realization. So this will have to become a part of our global religious culture.
So whichever way we look at it the real solution for the world of tomorrow is a Hindu world. The Abrahamic religions will simply have to accept this and they can be made to accept this through honest debate.
Whether we like it or not we are moving into a one world culture and it requires a one world economy, one world education, one world healthcare, one world religion. Obviously we need the best economy, best education, best healthcare and best religion. Again to ascertain which is the best requires debate.
Political correctness and relativism is a postmodern disease that I am immune to.
Why does the grouchy old man have to be happy and peaceful to be accepted? If that were the condition for acceptance, NONE of us would ever be accepted. Of course, that’s one of the roots of the problem in my opinion. We ACT like we are happy and peaceful so that others will accept us. It’s a giant circle of bullshit.
Maybe that answers my question above. Why do we want everyone to be just like us? Maybe because we’re not honest with ourselves and project what we want to be onto others. “I wish they would be happy and peaceful.”
I personally am a violent, unhappy person at times. I don’t want everyone else to be just like me. That would suck.
I like that about you 
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;35510]According to me what is best for the world is a Hindu world.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think there is a single religion who’s followers would disagree that their religion is the best. This is a universal opinion.
Namaste David,
I want to share the following Vedic hymn with you:
The Almighty Lord is pleased
And showerth his blessing and benefits
On the people of that community
Where all the people are well-integrated,
United and offer worship with one faith
O Citizens of the world!
Live in harmony and concord.
Be organized and cooperative
Speak with one voice
And make your resolutions firm with one mind,
As our ancients saints and seers,
leaders and preceptors
Having performed their duties righteously,
Similarly, may you not falter
to execute your duties
May our prayer be one and the same
May we belong to one fraternity
May our minds move in accord;
May our hearts work in unison
For one supreme goal;
Let us be inspired by a common ideal
Let us sing praises in congregation
May the inmost aspirations of you all
Be perfectly harmonious;
May your hearts beat in unison
May absolute concord reign in your minds,
May you all be welded
into strong fellowship and unity
Rig Veda 10.191.1-4
If we live in a pluralistic world where everybody has different objectives, different ways of life, different beliefs, different values we live in a world rife with conflict. This is indeed the world we have been living in for the last 5000 years and there has been nothing but endless conflict. It is evident then that this model does not work.
What can work is living in a world unified by one global culture with common objectives, common way of life and common values. It is inevitable that we are moving into a globalized world today so this will take place whether we want it or not. However, what kind of global world we do want?
Do we want a global Islamic world controlled by Sharia law? No, I don’t think we want that.
Do we want a global secular world where the Church and the state are separated. This is the capitalist world we have today. In this world the gap between the poor and rich widens, power becomes centralized to a few elite rich people and everybody else works for their interests. No, we don’t want this either if we want a better future.
Do we want a global Hindu world where all of society is based on spirituality and spiritual values which promote the highest development personally and ecologically. A society where wise sages are considered role models. Yes, this is the world we need for the future. This model has already been applied on a small scale to a village in India and it has produced award winning results:
http://www.italkcash.com/forum/news-feeds/101665-hindu-economic-principles.html
So not all ways are equal. Some ways obviously work better than others.
In the end we are not all that different are we? Physiologically, psychologically and spiritually we are very much constituted the same. We also all have a common objective and that is to find happiness, truth, love and peace. Even the grouchy old man. In fact he is grouchy because he has not met this objective. So whatever way best suits our common objective is therefore the best way, no?
The beauty of Hinduism is that Hindusim is the only religion that has studied human suffering and the causes of it in depth and scientifically. It has based on those studies developed various systems on what will alleviate suffering. The most well known of those systems is Yoga. You know Yoga works.
It is also important to have “right understanding” Right understanding is knowing correctly who you are, where you have come from, where you are going and how are you going to get it. The answers are you are a spiritual being, you have come from the divine, you are going back to the divine and you will get there through practicing Yoga, whereby you will eliminate all your desires and allow your essence to shine.
There is no other religion in this world that teaches this correct understanding and gives the correct methods to attain the objective than Hinduism. This is why Hinduism must become the religion of the world of tommorrow.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;35513]This is why Hinduism must become the religion of the world of tommorrow.[/QUOTE]
‘must’ become? Are you a dictator?
No, I am not a dicator. I am not a postmodern either. In Hinduism there is a correct way of life and there is an incorrect way of life.
Hindusim is the correct way of life and all other ways are incorrect. Hinduism is the correct way of life because it promotes the highest good of humanity and individuals.
If the Abrahamic religions were correct they would not be losing their followers to Yoga in droves.
20 million Americans alone in a Christian majority country are practicing Yoga, chanting in Sanskrit. They have not been forced by anybody. They are doing it because it works and Christianity doesn’t.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;35515]. Hinduism is the correct way of life because it promotes the highest good of humanity and individuals…[/QUOTE]
Would you consider yourself an example of this?
I am not the best example, because I am somebody in the process of becoming a Hindu. If you want examples of good Hindus look at the countless gurus and yogis in the tradition.
If I am an example of anything though that is that I always speak truth and never hestitate from speaking it. I bow down to truth wherever I find it.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;35518]I am not the best example, .[/QUOTE]
Ok, that’s good to hear.
In fact any impartial and honest reader can see what I am saying is not at all wrong.
The Abrahamic religions have had their opportunity to show what they can offer the world. They have been reigning supreme for the last 2000 years. What have they offered? Crusades, Jihads, persecutions, witch burning, genocides of indigenous people, oppression and superstition.
A very wise thing a wise man once said: If something is not working, then do something different.
The Abrahamic religions have failed. This worlds needs a different religion now and that religion is Hinduism. We need a Hindu world. Indeed, that is exactly what is happening with the new-age movement which has been born out of Hinduism and is ushering in Hindusim globally.
You can call it spirituality or whatever but it is basically Hinduism. Hinduism will take over now.
The politically correct brigate are hating what I am saying, but even they know they cannot defend the Abrahamic religions from my charges. They are protecting a lost cause.
I can certainly see what you’re saying Surya Deva and you may very well be right. Humanity has some interesting crossroads ahead; we may very well end up Hindu in some shape or another. The thing is, I don’t see how it can happen peacefully. We’re going to witness some very interesting times during our lives, that’s for sure
Do you think this transition will happen naturally or do we mere mortals have to help it along in some way or another?
“If we live in a pluralistic world where everybody has different objectives, different ways of life, different beliefs, different values we live in a world rife with conflict. This is indeed the world we have been living in for the last 5000 years and there has been nothing but endless conflict. It is evident then that this model does not work.”
yeah, sometimes it is frustrating as i am in costa rica right now and watch luxury homes/condos being built by people for $2.50 an hour, so I can appreciate where united views could help even out the large disparity in how much money one has.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;35520]In fact any impartial and honest reader can see what I am saying is not at all wrong.
The Abrahamic religions have had their opportunity to show what they can offer the world. They have been reigning supreme for the last 2000 years. What have they offered? Crusades, Jihads, persecutions, witch burning, genocides of indigenous people, oppression and superstition.
A very wise thing a wise man once said: If it is not working, then do something different.
The Abrahamic religions have failed. This worlds needs a different religion now and that religion is Hinduism. We need a Hindu world. Indeed, that is exactly what is happening with the new-age movement which has been born out of Hinduism and is ushering in Hindusim.
You can call it global spirituality or whatever but it is basically Hinduism. Hinduism will take over now.[/QUOTE]
It’s a bit crazy assume we can predict the future. I doubt that all the other religions are going anywhere and if they did who’s to say Hinduism isn’t going to disappear with them. I guess it’s good to see that although you attempt to speak truth you also speculate. Which is not truth obviously it’s opinion