Intelligence and spirituality

Spirituality
#141

It is of my nature to crave heroin. This does not mean I am going to start shooting up simply because I have that desire. I understand the implications of a heroin addiction, thus even though it takes all of my strength to ‘say no’, it is a necessity. We teach children not to touch boiling water because it will hurt them, even though the child has no understanding of heat or pain.

The difference between a controlling parent and a loving parent is the controlling parent will try to control everything the child does, such as not touching boiling water or not climbing the tree and falling, whereas the loving parent will allow their child to make mistakes and learn from their mistakes.

Humans learn by making mistakes. Nobody can practice any kind of moral injunction. They have to, through their own learning and mistakes, come to realise the virtue of that moral injunction themselves.

#142

[quote=kareng;42246]Ive just realised that when you enter a quote, there is a little arrow next to the persons name that you can click and it takes you to the original quote…how marvelous! and why didnt I know? This takes me to the intelligence part of this thread which I appear to have very little of

Thank you Wonderland x[/quote]

I was just dying to point that out how to use the editor to use the quotation thingie box whenever i read you write ‘xyz says’.

How sweet! Only kiddding.:wink:

P.S-- You can also do it this way- copy and paste the text you want ,drop, then hold down the left key to mark out the text you want, then click the quote icon box on the top menu of editor afterwards, you need to click ‘go advanced’ though to get full functionality and formatting, then the text “chunk” isolated will appear in quotation marks when you come to preview it, if that makes any sense.At least that’s how i generally do it.

There should be a forum for how to use the editor.Now I believe there is but you really need to be a full member for that, i.e a fully paid-up member.:wink:

#143

You can also do it this way- copy and paste the text you want ,drop, then hold down the left key to mark out the text you want, then click the

Nope doesn’t work I tried and look its not blue, its just a cpoy and paste, not blue in a box

#144

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;42252]The difference between a controlling parent and a loving parent is the controlling parent will try to control everything the child does, such as not touching boiling water or not climbing the tree and falling, whereas the loving parent will allow their child to make mistakes and learn from their mistakes.

Humans learn by making mistakes. Nobody can practice any kind of moral injunction. They have to, through their own learning and mistakes, come to realise the virtue of that moral injunction themselves.[/QUOTE]

Do I have to kill someone to realize it’s a bad thing to do? If I want to kill someone and someone restrains me, I would thank that person later.

Yes, we can learn from mistakes, but we can also learn from avoiding doing things for which we know their could be serious consequences or punishment.

Should the married man who desires to be with other women practice adultery in moderation? Does he need a few affairs, a broken marriage, and children who are living with a mother and a step-father to learn the lessons?

What is wrong with making it very clear that adultery is forbidden and that you’ll be in big trouble if you down that road?

The restraint can also teach lessons, and can also lead to improvement and a desire to do well out of love of right instead of a fear of punishment.

#145

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;42252] Nobody can practice any kind of moral injunction. [/QUOTE]

I can and do.

Yes, there certainly is learning by making mistakes. But there is also learning in seeking understanding.

Humanity has been destroying the mother earth with a relentless passion, not only on a physical level but on a spiritual level too. It has reached the tipping point, and now the only way left for humanity to ‘learn’, is global disaster. The earth must rid herself of this disease, and humanity suffers the consequences.

Now wouldn’t of it been nice if we had just listened in the first place…?

Another good one is ‘karma’

We are ONE

[B]Matthew 22[/B]

The Greatest Commandment

34 Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

#146

[quote=kareng;42297]

You can also do it this way- copy and paste the text you want ,drop, then hold down the left key to mark out the text you want, then click the
Nope doesn’t work I tried and look its not blue, its just a copy and paste, not blue in a box[/quote]

Yep, you’ve got it. You just mark it out in blue by pressing the left key marking out the intended text you wish to box… Then click the quotation icon represented by a little peice of paper right along at the top menu ( click ‘go advanced’, if necessary). Then it will appear in quotation marks. You can always check that with ‘Preview Post’.

Trial & error as they say…

#147

meet me in Ajna v fairies thread so I can practice and not spoil the op core x

#148

[QUOTE=TonyTamer;41747]Is intelligence an obstacle to spirituality ? I don’t know. Isn’t it intelligent to be spiritual ? Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.[/QUOTE]

I love that:)

#149

This thread progression is just reflects the name if the post:) :slight_smile: :slight_smile:
Tons of someone else’s thoughts are repeated, tons of scriptures cited, bragging with the knowledge and intellect is flourishing …

Love you!
Thank you for an example

PS: The brain is the organ by which we think that we think
(Ambrose Gwinnett Bierce)

#150

[QUOTE=CityMonk;37573]
Do you think that an intelligence is an obstacle on the spiritual path?:confused:[/QUOTE]

Most definitely.

When we have an inquiring mind or an inquisitive nature, we tend to question everything that happens to us, instead of just allowing it to happen.

Often, this can stop us progressing further in our spiritual practice.

I have had this experience during rebirthing. Instead of just ‘going with it’, my mind is full of ‘but whys’?

In the end, the person who was trying to rebirth me, gave up. lol

He was like ‘you think too much for your own good and until such times as you learn to drop your mind, I cannot help you’.

I am still that way, to an extent.

We like to believe we have some kind of ‘control’ over what happens to us. The sad fact is, that nothing good can ever happen to us unless we relinquish that control or surrender it to a ‘Higher Power’.

When we are dealing with Spiritual experiences, trying to rationalise them is one of the biggest obstacles on the path.
Even though we [B]want[/B] to believe, we start putting things down to normal biological processes or ‘tricks of the mind’.

Then, all we do from that point on is sabotage our efforts.

#151

Hi Nobody…gave up on the rebirthing…hilarious it did make me laugh .

I agree to an extent…………and this subject still bothers me…I had my most profound spiritual experience when I was a simple gal…an air head, almost childlike……then, later, I sought to find the answer to my spiritual experience and found it……But on route to that and after reading books…I stumbled on a Buddhism book (Tibetan) that’s about the moments we can gain liberation These are known as as the four Bardos:

1.the natural Bardo of life
2.The painful Bardo of dying
3. The luminous Bardo of Dharmata (Distinguishing Phenomena and Pure Being)
4.The Karmic Bardo of becoming

Apparently,the death one is the most powerful opportunity………anyway, within that process, and through it there are clues to look for, via subtle levels of consciousness,to attain this liberation

The most important is one is called Ground Luminosity. (this is not a light by the way. despite how it sounds)…. The author comments here by saying this is a moment that we all come to but [B]we miss this opportunity because we don’t recognise its importance[/B]…. There are [B]subtle[/B] levels of consciousness throughout the death process that we can recognise and take action on.

Then I read something regarding Master Patanjalis Yoga Sutras…here there are clear references to [B]subtle interferences to progression[/B] and I am assuming at this point that if we learn about them we can recognise that we can still them. and progress, or at least I can get further than the profound experience I had .

So it seems important that we educate ourselves regarding these subtleties,.
But …and this but is still there because I always drift back to keep it simple, keep it simple and by reading and learning and following the seemingly endless points, exercises made throughout all texts and instructions I feel im filling my head up.

Where once I didn’t have a clue and had spiritual experience, now I have a clue and will this result in me limiting actual experiences?, time will tell ….it’s confusing for me still.

In the bible, Genesis, there was serious trouble through eating from the tree of Knowledge…what is this implying, stating??? And I know people here are separating Knowledge from Intelligence

Now I’m reaching a stage where I believe that intelligence is applying yourself with minimal mind effort having gained sufficient knowledge of the subtleties that exist, en route to enlightenment.

#152

What’s the line from T.S. Elliot ? about going around in a circle and coming back to the beginning and recognizing it for the first time ? I feel/think that it’s fatalistic to wish we could uneat that apple-we are human here and now and that apple makes us so-we can use our gifts to get to the tree of Life. The tree of knowledge is something added to, not substituted for our state of innocence, that shouldn’t overshadow the gifts of innocence. I agree it’s hard not to rely on thinking but unlearning is a part of the learning process. It is good to give but not when you still hold on to the gift in your heart. Namaste

#153

Getting to the point of un eating the apple is what I am aiming for and what I believe is referenced in many different practices throughout,

Its the eating of the apple that has greatly hindered us.

#154

Is the apple a Granny Smith? A Golden Delicious? A Pink Lady?

Is it organic? Was Alar used?

Is this the ‘forbidden fruit’ of Genesis?

Who cares, just eat the damn apple already. LOL

#155

[QUOTE=Nobody;43293]Is the apple a Granny Smith? A Golden Delicious? A Pink Lady?

Is it organic? Was Alar used?

Is this the ‘forbidden fruit’ of Genesis?

Who cares, just eat the damn apple already. LOL[/QUOTE]

Its all Granny Smiths fault, just wait till I find her !!

#156

" First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain , then there is. " -Donovan by way ancient Zen parable- substitute apple for mountain. The eat the damn apple LOL

#157

Nope, still not gonna eat that apple again and stop trying to tempt me all of you…:smiley:

First there is an apple, then there is no apple, then there is
someone who ate the bloody apple

Ps I do get you x

#158

"May thy searching through cups of Hemlock and the teachings of Polinicus, Salamicus and Bolognicus serve thee well as harbingers of McDonald’s catnip. May the pickle fit the man ; never to be behooved otherwise , it all comes out in the omnipresent laundry "- Francis Perry

#159

That which I have not written will be read by those who are not reading it and, will not be there when they read it not…".Yin Tang fiddle I O…

#160

" I feel more like I do now than I did when I got here "= Pearl Tamer, me Mum.