Kundalini and the Breathless State

Maybe you and Suhas are correct. Maybe I’m too caught up in the mechanical processes. I have always be interested in understanding and engaging in exercise my whole life. I enjoy feeling the effects on my body. I am taking these traits into my practice of yoga. And on that note here is a picture of the tonsils:

Notice first that they would remain in the throat passageway upon entering kechari. Because they are attached at the bottom, in a pressurized environment with the with air being drawn from above - vacuum coming from down below, I believe that they would hold the tongue’s seal of the mouth really tight. They would also change the airflow dynamics of the vacuum centering it directly on the “spine” of the tongue. As I wrote before, sometimes when I come out of Maha Bandha without inhaling, the pressure created from the vacuum would pull the tongue right out of kechari back into the mouth. I believe that the tonsils would prevent this from happening. I would like to converse with someone who still has their tonsils and has attained kechari stage 2.

This is another example of how ignorant the medical profession is. Oh no, you don’t need your tonsils. They’re not important. Well maybe if you want to commune with the Divine, but who wants to do that?

I believe we’re supposed to create pressure in our breathing passageways. This really helps stretch the tongue out. Some observations that I’ve made since I’ve started creating extreme pressure in my breathing passage is holding my breath during pranayama is far easier. I can do the same amount of cycles when doing Sayananda’s Kriya 10 and 11 when performing Shanmukhi Mudra (sealing off the ears, eyes, nose and mouth with the fingers – Lahiri calls this Yoni Mudra) effortlessly now. I can chant Om much longer than before. When I sing, I can obviously carry a note much longer.

When you raise your torso up coming out of Maha Bandha and don’t let any air in, the vacuum created causes the tissue in the breathing passage to become stretched extremely tight and you can really feel the pressure. And of course the concavity of the nasal passageway contracts. I have entertained the idea that the tonsils are made hold the tongue from the bottom and the ear flaps are suppose to hold the tongue at the roof of the pharynx creating an incredible stretch of the tongue. I don’t know if this is the case but I am sure that the top of the ears press against the bottom of your tongue to create a suction pulling the Amrit from the roof of the nasal pharynx. This is another reason why it is important to create pressure in your breathing passage. IMPORTANT This is obviously something you want to build upon slowly to allow the body time to acclimate.

If you look at this picture again, the tongue looks like it could almost make it to the pituitary gland:

Unfortunately it can’t go straight there because of the bone on top of the nasal pharnynx. It must first go through the holes in the white part (nasal turbinates) that hooks down. I studied many different nerve diagrams to try to understand how pushing on the area above the nasal holes could shut off the eyes, ears, and nose too and couldn’t come up with a plausible way that this could happen. I then studied this diagram again and noticed the bone we are suppose to push on extends out quiet a bit and pressing on it would squeeze the dark red area above the extended bone.

This makes a lot more sense because this is where the signals from the eyes would have to travel. The thought of bone fragments floating around in my nasal area does not sound appealing. I have scoured the net looking for information on kechari stage 4 and there just isn’t much out there. I did come up with this:

Khecari mudra itself begins when the transformed tongue curls back as in nabho mudra, but is now able to slide its way up behind the soft palate. At this point, it locates a juncture of bone on the underside of the skull. This is referred to as the “Gate of Brahma” in the Yogakundali Upanishad, and it is said that “even the Devas (Gods) are unable to open it.” In other texts it is referred to as the “tenth gate.” What now happens is that the elongated and strengthened tongue begins to apply extreme pressure to this juncture, and literally breaks it open. When this occurs, the tongue is then able to slide up into the cranial cavity and actually begin to apply direct pressure upon various parts of the brain. Upon completion of khecari mudra, there follows a process called “melana” or “maithuna” which is one of the most closely kept secrets of Yoga.

I have been asking for guidance in my meditations and today when I was practicing my sadhana during the salutation to the gurus phase, I first recite the Lord’s Prayer and came to “give us this day, our daily bread” and that thought stuck in my mind. Basically the thought, you have all the information that you need right now. You need to purify your nadis and have several more chakras to open.

And so along with stretching my tongue and practicing Nauli, I need to start focusing on becoming proficient at internal Nadi Shodhana. The practice of Nadi Shodhana purifies the nadis. At this point breathing is a burden and an unnecessary act but I’m going to start practicing this everyday. This will help acclimate my body to having my tongue continually entering into the nasal turbinates.

I have also noticed that I am still getting scabs on the underside of my tongue. I can’t help but think that as I stretch my tongue out the Uvala is still burning away tissue. I wonder if there is part of the tongue that holds it together (like all the white sinewy parts in the tongue pictured above) and this tissue is being burnt up so that the tongue can elongate getting thinner to enter the “narrow passageway.” These scabs have characteristics like they are 6 days old and about to fall off so they don’t concern me at all, just rouse my curiosity.

And on that note,

Namaste!

Another important point that I forgot to mention is take a look at the bone that you will be pressing on with your tongue. The two bones above it, that are supporting it, curl in. They are designed to take pressure bending quite a bit before they break. The nerve centers that we are suppose to press on to shut off our senses and enter the first stage of samadhi have to be in the dark red area above the extended part of the bone.

The reason my internal Nadi Shodhana is not very effective (leaking air) is because I’m not sticking my tongue into the holes of the nasal passageway far enough. You have to really stick your tongue in them to seal them off. In doing so, you start to apply pressure to this bone and learn how to shut off the senses.

This will take you to the void between the manifested and the unmanifested. Samadhi

Many posts in this thread.
Parmahansa yogananda spoke of a pranayama in his book.
people seem to be catching on.
"Phycho-physiological method that decarbonizes the blood and stops the accumulation of venous blood"
this method will magnetized the entire body.
It is an intense pranayama.
It is known as hyperventilation.
It is said in Chinese literature one should perform this, yet not forcefully, otherwise the heart begins to speed up.
It is easily done. Simple.
The pause in breathing Patterns, is the time when co2 builds up.
make your breath like ton an echo. Consistant and without pause.
The body will “tingle/vibrate”. You may discribe the sensation in your own words.
The magnetic stage comes after the vibratory stage.
Be careful.
Hyperventilation leads to respiratory alkalosis which when sustained will balance itself out via acidosis. You will be living in a state of extremes.
So.
be safe. As once you sustain respiratory alkalosis, your pranayama sessions become more powerful. Accumulative.
Be safe.

[QUOTE=Avatar186;83533]Many posts in this thread.
Parmahansa yogananda spoke of a pranayama in his book.
people seem to be catching on.
"Phycho-physiological method that decarbonizes the blood and stops the accumulation of venous blood"
this method will magnetized the entire body.
It is an intense pranayama.
It is known as hyperventilation.
It is said in Chinese literature one should perform this, yet not forcefully, otherwise the heart begins to speed up.
It is easily done. Simple.
The pause in breathing Patterns, is the time when co2 builds up.
make your breath like ton an echo. Consistant and without pause.
The body will “tingle/vibrate”. You may discribe the sensation in your own words.
The magnetic stage comes after the vibratory stage.
Be careful.
Hyperventilation leads to respiratory alkalosis which when sustained will balance itself out via acidosis. You will be living in a state of extremes.
So.
be safe. As once you sustain respiratory alkalosis, your pranayama sessions become more powerful. Accumulative.
Be safe.[/QUOTE]

You have no idea of what is being described, for some odd reason you have fixated on decarbonization and hypervetilation. Well maybe not odd you just have not yet experienced what is being described yet. If you ever do I assure you, you will chuckle at this misunderstanding.

Please understand I am not being mean, just correcting your misunderstanding.

Yoganandas editors often described things incorrectly and overstated things to make them sound and sell better.

Good luck this belief in hyperventilation and decarbonization is a dead end though.

Please correct my understanding then.

As well, What did yogananda mean? Or is this book itself wrong in its description?

My fixation on this pranayama is due to other results. I am not trying to attain extended suspensions of breath through it.
But! :slight_smile:
remember all breathing is either hyper or hypo unless you suspend cellular breathing :wink:

[QUOTE=Avatar186;83535]Please correct my understanding then.

As well, What did yogananda mean? Or is this book itself wrong in its description?

My fixation on this pranayama is due to other results. I am not trying to attain extended suspensions of breath through it.
But! :slight_smile:
remember all breathing is either hyper or hypo unless you suspend cellular breathing ;)[/QUOTE]
I will prepare an animated graphic for you and explain this in detail a little later once I am on a computer and not this mobile. Cellular breathing is a good term. Suspension of breath and heartbeat are side effects not goals. The real trick is connecting to prana once a person does this breathing, heartbeat and I imagine quite a few other things become redundent. Prana & I guess Kundalini can feel like many different things but the tingles from hyperventilation is not it, although there is a feeling that can be said to be close to that but it is deep rooted in the core of the spine the centers and Medulla coming out there is no lightheadedness. More later.

Hehe yes. One should not breath quickly.
Being light headed only happens to someone unaccustomed to taking deep breath.
as well. Deep breaths are not needed to hyperventilate.
Nor quick breaths.
In fact I would advise agienst both as they agitate the heart into increased pumping.
The ratio of co2 in the body is always fluctuating.
To gradually and gently lesson the co2 in the body activates the nervouse system.
A fun side note. The hallucinogen salvia divinourm causes this same activation of nerves, then suspension of breath is had and absorption of mind results. From my experiance many years ago, I would say it throws one into samadhi. Of course it is prematurely experianced when done in this manner. It also has a reverse tolerance effect. It is accumulative.

Anyway. When doing pranayama you will almost always hyperventilate. Unless you keep the co2 ratio right where it is at. The chill from a sneeze is actually due to a sudden drop in co2.
The problem with this pranayama, is the fact that I mention the word “hyperventilation” which is highly misunderstood.
If I told you my pranayama was to breath in and out consistantly and slowly would their be question? If I said doing this makes my entire body inside and out vibrate,and that it causes magnetization would their be question?
I am fixated on this pranayama when it comes to conversation because I find it funny how people are fixated on it being wrong. Especially when they have not tested it. It is detested for its western word has negative associations. Even though many of these associations are incorrect.
I have started to practice regularly as life now permits me too. This method is connected to sublimination of bindu into consciousness. This causes “bhava samadhi” ie the mind is pushed into samadhi via bliss. Physical rejuvination of the human body is a side effect of this.
The sages were correct when they said one must have abolished lust before sexual tantra is even possible. Ie "complete reversal of apana is needed before one can turn the lowest substance into consciousness itself. Although! I may have mentioned this, I know this topic is not the subject of conversation. :slight_smile:
Wrong pranayama leads to dizzyness and blacking out. It is often due to lack of brain oxygen.
This never happens when doing the pranayama I propose correctly.

[QUOTE=Avatar186;83546]Hehe yes. One should not breath quickly.
Being light headed only happens to someone unaccustomed to taking deep breath.
as well. Deep breaths are not needed to hyperventilate.
Nor quick breaths.
In fact I would advise agienst both as they agitate the heart into increased pumping.
The ratio of co2 in the body is always fluctuating.
To gradually and gently lesson the co2 in the body activates the nervouse system.
A fun side note. The hallucinogen salvia divinourm causes this same activation of nerves, then suspension of breath is had and absorption of mind results. From my experiance many years ago, I would say it throws one into samadhi. Of course it is prematurely experianced when done in this manner. It also has a reverse tolerance effect. It is accumulative.

Anyway. When doing pranayama you will almost always hyperventilate. Unless you keep the co2 ratio right where it is at. The chill from a sneeze is actually due to a sudden drop in co2.
The problem with this pranayama, is the fact that I mention the word “hyperventilation” which is highly misunderstood.
If I told you my pranayama was to breath in and out consistantly and slowly would their be question? If I said doing this makes my entire body inside and out vibrate,and that it causes magnetization would their be question?
I am fixated on this pranayama when it comes to conversation because I find it funny how people are fixated on it being wrong. Especially when they have not tested it. It is detested for its western word has negative associations. Even though many of these associations are incorrect.
I have started to practice regularly as life now permits me too. This method is connected to sublimination of bindu into consciousness. This causes “bhava samadhi” ie the mind is pushed into samadhi via bliss. Physical rejuvination of the human body is a side effect of this.
The sages were correct when they said one must have abolished lust before sexual tantra is even possible. Ie "complete reversal of apana is needed before one can turn the lowest substance into consciousness itself. Although! I may have mentioned this, I know this topic is not the subject of conversation. :slight_smile:
Wrong pranayama leads to dizzyness and blacking out. It is often due to lack of brain oxygen.
This never happens when doing the pranayama I propose correctly.[/QUOTE]

Enjoy.

H’m.
What happened to the animated graphic n such?

I apologize for offending seeking via sharing my view.
I hope you do not offend anyone by sharing your view seeking.
I apologize for being someone you cannot tolerate seeking.
I wish you good travels seeking.

[QUOTE=Avatar186;83554]I apologize for offending seeking via sharing my view.
I hope you do not offend anyone by sharing your view seeking.
I apologize for being someone you cannot tolerate seeking.
I wish you good travels seeking.[/QUOTE]

In specific as quoted:

You have made your point of view clear so never mind simply means I will not be spending my time preparing graphics and explanations which are time consuming to create for someone whose mind is already made up.

Enjoy means well wishing for what brings you enjoyment and the amusement you derive from misusing words and playing games writing on message boards.

In General:

In fact this whole sharing thing has been a great learning experience and what I have learned is I will be keeping a private journal from now on as communicating concepts like this with others really is not possible because everyone without exception believes what they want to anyway so why bother?

:slight_smile:
I’m not playing games. Sincerely seeking to fully master an experiance I had.
Although you are correct in the sense that, maybe I should refrain from calling it pranayama.
If I misused any other words or terms. Please tell me. It would be appreciated.

As well, I was only explaining what I did while I waited for your explanation.
people do believe what they want! You are correct.
Explaining your mind to others is and always will be charity. Unless you start charging :p.
my experiance is one that no one has considered seriously and that is ok.
But as I seek to master it, I also seek understanding. < that means I desire to know what you understand, and I desire to discuss it and understand your understanding.

If the world dosnt listen, please don’t be discouraged.

Conversation may always be controversial, but on a personal level. Know that I am listening,analyzing etc. For I love learning and understanding.

I will speak my views as you will speak yours.
This is how things are.
It is the nature of conversation.
Yet I desire to pick your brain just as much as I desire to speak.
for I know my views. But I want to know yours ;). Lol.
Although I have noticed this site and many other discussion sites have a nasty trend.
People start attacking eachother. Attack an idea,experiance, etc with logic.
Many get sucked into such arguments,these arguments often kill a thread.
I am speaking generally here. Not of you personally. I have been away from this forum for some time.
thus I do not know your actions. Nor do I care. My point is simply that such things are inefficient to growth. I would much rather apologize and continue the ideal conversation at hand.
This post is probably a little over kill when it comes to getting my point across. Yet I am not particularly word savvy. So! THE point. Please continue :slight_smile: for I did not mean to interrupt!
The time and effort you were ready to deal out for my benifit has been noted thrice. Thank you Seeking.

I will title it what we understand.

delusional rhetoric

[QUOTE=ray_killeen;83443]umunhum should contact the Guinness Book of World Records and attempt the record at holding breath underwater; 22 min 00 sec.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

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Thank you Seeking, Umunhum and others for the very informing posts.

You are welcome. Thank you for taking your time to show gratitude it is refreshing compared to some of the replies that are just meanness of the writers mind appearing in text.

We are all mentally imbalanced. Half of the time the right part of the brain is receiving more power than the left and visa versa the other half of the time. This causes mental fluctuations or thought which leads to the false duality. As I’ve quoted before Yogananda wrote that “God Consciousness equals Human Consciousness plus Thought.” The Bible says “Be Still and Know That I am God.” Well how is this possible with this constant mental imbalance?

The human body is designed for the electricity to flow through the Central Nervous System or in Yoga parlance, The Sushumna. But because we were born to sin and placed in a body that is not functioning properly, we have 4 locks that prevent this from happening. These locks are at the Muladhara Chakra, the Manipura Chakra, the Anahata Chakra, and the Vishuddha Chakra. (The perenium, stomach, heart and throat respectively) So instead of the electricity flowing up the Central Nervous System (Sushumna), it alternates going up the sympathetic nervous system (Ida nadi) or the parasympathetic nervous system (pingala nadi). This again powers the right and left parts of the brain at different levels. When the electricity is flowing up the sympathetic nervous system, (left nostril open) the right brain is dominate. This, according to Satyananda, is the time to meditate.

This picture clearly shows the flaps of skin that cover the turbinate areas of the nostrils directing which nadi most of the prana will flow:

It is easy to balance the nadis so that the electricity flows up the Sushumna with Kechari Mudra. Find out which nostril is flowing more than the other and then stick your tongue as far up the open nostril as you can. This forces the breath to come through the clogged nostril slowly opening it up. This is Kechari Stage 3.

When I do this, it takes me out of the breathless state. Normally the clogged nostril doesn’t allow the build up of CO2 to escape fast enough and my diaphragm kicks in. In a few minutes, the clogged nostril starts opening up, my breath slows and then finally stops again. This puts you into a sublime state of bliss. I am now questioning whether I am supposed to perform Nadi Shodhana or just continually stick my tongue into the free flowing nostril and leave it there. I feel like I am being guided to just sit in the breathless state with the tongue in the open nostril.

I have daily experiences where after a few minutes of holding the tongue in the open nostril, Dharana or one pointedness of mind takes place. Your entire focus becomes the contact of your nostril (Yoni) and your tongue (phallus). Slowly but surely the Yoni opens up more and more and then I become just the tip of my tongue. I feel like my tongue is coming out of a restricting circle and then free to explore the universe. It starts more snake like actions just like when I first started closing off the back of my throat in the later stages of Kechari Stage 1.

Right now my tongue is not long enough to make it to Samadhi though, so it feels like when I first made Kechari Stage 2 and couldn’t feel the entire holes of my nostrils. I just feel open air. I don’t feel the bone that I’m suppose to push on that crimps the nerve signals to the lower brain yet. I have no doubt that the snake like action my tongue is making is going to eventually push on that bone and shut off the nerve signals from the eyes, ears, nose and mouth.

I do like performing Internal Nodi Shodhana when I walk. I take 4 steps on the inhale, 4 steps on the Kumbhaka, 4 steps on the exhale and finally 4 steps on the Kumbhaka. After doing this for a few minutes my nostrils get lubed up and start opening up. When my Vishuddha opened up 5 months ago, I could only put my tongue in the turbinate areas for a few seconds, it was just too sensitive. Now I have no problem shoving my tongue up as far as it can go for however long I want, but it is still too thick and not long enough. I need to practice milking a lot more than I do.

I think I progressed by holding my tongue in the turbinate areas while performing Dynamic Jalahandra Bandha, which is just rolling your head in circles with an inhale kumbhaka. Lahiri calls this Thokar and says you should work your way up to 200 head circles with one breath. This is obviously impossible for anyone who has not attained the breathless state.

So lets tally up the benefits of Kechari we’ve discovered so far:

  1. Allows you to enter the breathless state
  2. Allows you to turn on your Kundalini – Opens the knot at Muladhara
  3. Allows you to balance your Nadis sending the electricity up your Sushumna.
  4. Allows you to shut off your senses sending you into Samadhi
  5. Allows you to lick the Amrit separating your consciousness from your mind.

Do you think Kechari might be important?

Is it any wonder why Jesus spoke about Kechari during his Sermon on the Mount?

I once read someone commenting in a forum that there must have been a connection between Satyananda and Babaji, but I’ve never read Sivananda or Satyananda mentioning Yogananda’s Babaji. Is there a place where I can read more about this alleged meeting?

This is at least the third time that I’ve come across the story that Sivananda was taught Kriya Yoga directly from Babaji: From the book “Early Teachings of Swami Satyananda” Page 88

I have heard that Swami Sivananda was asked to build a mission by Babaji. Is this so?

Yes, he ordered him to build up a mission. As a matter of fact, Swami Sivananda received initiation into kriya yoga from Babaji, but he did not teach these techniques to anyone himself. At the time I was leaving the ashram, however, he taught me all the techniques in not more than twenty five minutes.

He then told Satyananda to give Yoga to the world. And I am forever grateful for these two great souls!

Kechari is the key to Kriya Yoga! According to Lahiri, Yogananda, and Satyananda; Kriya Yoga is the fastest and surest way to enlightenment.

Thank you for your update.