Media, Political Correctness and Religious Debate

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#121

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;47257]I think you have for once hit the nail on the head Indra Deva. Yes, they are desert religions from thousands of years ago. It is understandable why these desert religions would be full of violence, because the terrain these people lived in was harsh, resources were scarce and hence people had to survive by forming tribes to vie for the resources.

Why then are we still holding on these savage, barbaric and primitive desert religions? Why not accept the fact that they come from a time and place that are a part of our unfortunate past.

It is time to move on. The Abrahamic religions needs to go. They have passed their sell-by date by thousands of years. We are now in an age of science and have far surpassed the people of these desert religions in our knowledge and understanding of the world and in our moral behaviour.[/QUOTE]

Lol SD, just ignore ID. He is a confirmed white supremacist who gets his information from CNN and Fox News, and is influenced by Christian/Western dogma and biases. He ignores the violent history of these religions and ignores the harm they are causing other countries today. I would know. I remember in Hyderabad how a Catholic “charity” organization received tons of funding from our anti-Hindu government, enabling them to expand into creating Catholic schools (I regretfully had to go to it and let me tell you, it was the worst school I had ever went to), and funding missionary activities. I remember how several of my closest friends got sucked into christian crap and became anti-Hindu. And in the U.S.A? The people everyday don’t get more idiotic than ID. And guess what? They’re…

#122

Nietzsche: You are touching upon an interesting topic here, that finally brings the discussion back on topic:

How influenced are we by media framing in the context of religious loyalty? I.e., assuming that for example American mainstream media promotes Christian values in both ‘hard’- (like Bush declaring war under the name or Jesus on national television etc) and ‘soft’- (like biased television shows promoting Christian life styles like [I]Seventh Heaven[/I] :eek: and what have you) ways - how strong is the media in sustaining a particular religious dominance in a given society?

In your post, you are in part accusing Indra Deva for being a “victim” of a “biased media”, so I take it that you would say the the media have a strong influence over people’s opinions in these matters.

And as a footnote in this discussion: it seems that materialism is, sort of(?), verified here. First, if the media cannot avoid reproducing Christian values then it seems as if they are part of what Marx called the ‘superstructure,’ which is determined by the ‘base’. Secondly, if people succumb into the supposedly hegemonic messages of the media, then we are again verifying that the opinions and ideas of people are merely consequences of wider societal structures.

Am I wrong?

#123

[QUOTE=theseeker;47274]Nietzsche: You are touching upon an interesting topic here, that finally brings the discussion back on topic:

How influenced are we by media framing in the context of religious loyalty? I.e., assuming that for example American mainstream media promotes Christian values in both ‘hard’- (like Bush declaring war under the name or Jesus on national television etc) and ‘soft’- (like biased television shows promoting Christian life styles like [I]Seventh Heaven[/I] :eek: and what have you) ways - how strong is the media in sustaining a particular religious dominance in a given society?

In your post, you are in part accusing Indra Deva for being a “victim” of a “biased media”, so I take it that you would say the the media have a strong influence over people’s opinions in these matters.

And as a footnote in this discussion: it seems that materialism is, sort of(?), verified here. First, if the media cannot avoid reproducing Christian values then it seems as if they are part of what Marx called the ‘superstructure,’ which is determined by the ‘base’. Secondly, if people succumb into the supposedly hegemonic messages of the media, then we are again verifying that the opinions and ideas of people are merely consequences of wider societal structures.

Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]

No, you are not. You are very correct in what you are saying. We are very influenced media in terms of religion. Media is the offspring and reflection of a society, and American society is heavily influenced by its religion (in a negative way). But due to the influence of democratic and secular ideals, the more apparent aspects of it have been dampened. However, this does not prevent Americans from lumping these ideals together and calling the result a product of “Christian” “morals” and “values.” The Americans have always been a historically arrogant people, overly proud of a political system not of their own making, their religion, and society.

#124

What baffles me is why do europeans not realise that they are not Abrahamic. The Abrahamic religion was forced onto Europe. It is not the original religion of Europe. The original religion was “pagan” I have many white european friends who try to practice their old pagan religion, and you would be surprised how similar to Hinduism it is and how they are very sympathetic and respectful towards Hinduism. Many of them even incorporoate Hinduism into their own religious practice.

I think the Indo-European world needs up wake up to the fact that we have been conned by the Abrahamic world into accepting their religion. We need to free ourselves from the bondage of the Abrahamic world. Yes, it is true in our so-called secular world today the Abrahamic influence is dampened, but it is still there in the background. We are still very much living in an Abrahamic domianted world.

Why do you think I rile against the Abrahamic world so much? Just because it has a violent history? No, because this savage and barbaric world still weilds influence over us today and it is responsible for much of the woes of the modern world.

#125

A divine event can be experienced by anyone, anyone on the planet, it is solely in the hands of the individual. It is nothing to do with a religions, organisations or anything but the individual.

#126

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;47293]What baffles me is why do europeans not realise that they are not Abrahamic. The Abrahamic religion was forced onto Europe. It is not the original religion of Europe. The original religion was “pagan” I have many white european friends who try to practice their old pagan religion, and you would be surprised how similar to Hinduism it is and how they are very sympathetic and respectful towards Hinduism. Many of them even incorporoate Hinduism into their own religious practice.

I think the Indo-European world needs up wake up to the fact that we have been conned by the Abrahamic world into accepting their religion. We need to free ourselves from the bondage of the Abrahamic world. Yes, it is true in our so-called secular world today the Abrahamic influence is dampened, but it is still there in the background. We are still very much living in an Abrahamic domianted world.

Why do you think I rile against the Abrahamic world so much? Just because it has a violent history? No, [B]because this savage and barbaric world still weilds influence over us today and it is responsible for much of the woes of the modern world.[/B][/QUOTE]

Truer words have never been spoken.

#127

Why does your Avatar wear a catholic nuns headdress? please explain? is this a joke?

#128

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;47322]Truer words have never been spoken.[/QUOTE]

yes, so many many victims… :rolleyes:

#129

[QUOTE=kareng;47335]Why does your Avatar wear a catholic nuns headdress? please explain? is this a joke?[/QUOTE]

This is her fr?ulein fredrich costume. Well done! The finishing touches are being put on the prancing dancing numbers as we speak.

#130

lol…A Hindu version of The sound of Music…now there’s an idea

#131

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;47256]You obviously did not read the entirety of my post. I answered this question already.[/QUOTE]

Yes I did… you made the accusation and now you back out… You tell me I am Anti Hindu/anti Indian and now you are doing it by association… you claim to know my friends and then say you don’t…you are one funny…albeit… Wishy Washy guy.

But enough of this silliness… you obviously don’t want to answer or can’t

#132

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;47293]What baffles me is why do europeans not realise that they are not Abrahamic. The Abrahamic religion was forced onto Europe. It is not the original religion of Europe. The original religion was “pagan” I have many white european friends who try to practice their old pagan religion, and you would be surprised how similar to Hinduism it is and how they are very sympathetic and respectful towards Hinduism. Many of them even incorporoate Hinduism into their own religious practice.

I think the Indo-European world needs up wake up to the fact that we have been conned by the Abrahamic world into accepting their religion. We need to free ourselves from the bondage of the Abrahamic world. Yes, it is true in our so-called secular world today the Abrahamic influence is dampened, but it is still there in the background. We are still very much living in an Abrahamic domianted world.

Why do you think I rile against the Abrahamic world so much? Just because it has a violent history? No, because this savage and barbaric world still weilds influence over us today and it is responsible for much of the woes of the modern world.[/QUOTE]

just figure this out did ya… this would be history… that most Europeans know thier history rather well… maybe you should look into it further

#133

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;47245]I consider it a compliment that these people think I am high wolf. It is interesting to see how two very clear camps are forming: all the critical thinkers are being lumped into one category as hindu fundamentalists/extremists or sympathizers, and on the other side we have the the uncritical thinkers, who do little but flame, abuse and ridicule the others.

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You do realize that if what we are saying is true… that your above post could be called Hubris and the rest could be talking to yourself

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;47245]
Theseeker is not me, nor is he Neitzche, and nor if he highwolf, nor is he core, he is a new member who is trying to have an intelligent and open discussion. But he cannot, because Yulaw, Indra Dev and Scales would rather fill the topic with “wut, wut, wut”

Will these members ever allow a polite, civil and intelligent discussion to take place?[/QUOTE]

Would you prefer What

Say something worthy of discussion and maybe you will get more than wut…or if you prefer what

as for allowing civil and intelligent discussion you may want to look those words up, see what they really mean and look back at what you have been writing since you got here.

I will be happy to have a civil and intelligent discussion when you start being civil and intelligent.

#134

[QUOTE=Yulaw;47506]You do realize that if what we are saying is true… that your above post could be called Hubris and the rest could be talking to yourself

Would you prefer What

Say something worthy of discussion and maybe you will get more than wut…or if you prefer what
as for allowing civil and intelligent discussion you may want to look those words up, see what they really mean and look back at what you have been writing since you got here.
I will be happy to have a civil and intelligent discussion when you start being civil and intelligent.[/QUOTE]

Wut :smiley:

#135

[QUOTE=Yulaw;47504]Yes I did… you made the accusation and now you back out… You tell me I am Anti Hindu/anti Indian and now you are doing it by association… you claim to know my friends and then say you don’t…you are one funny…albeit… Wishy Washy guy.

But enough of this silliness… you obviously don’t want to answer or can’t[/QUOTE]

Nope. Read my posts again. The most I said was “you are [B]no better[/B] than the next anti-Hindu/Indian” and “stop posting links to anti-Hindu articles…” This isn’t the same as accusing you of being an anti-Hindu outright. But it doesn’t matter anyway, since you have proved to me that you have Westernized/Christianized biases and are biased against Hinduism. Be happy that I am accusing you now. :smiley:

#136

[QUOTE=Yulaw;47506]You do realize that if what we are saying is true… that your above post could be called Hubris and the rest could be talking to yourself

Would you prefer What

Say something worthy of discussion and maybe you will get more than wut…or if you prefer what

as for allowing civil and intelligent discussion you may want to look those words up, see what they really mean and look back at what you have been writing since you got here.

I will be happy to have a civil and intelligent discussion when you start being civil and intelligent.[/QUOTE]

But we don’t want to talk about the greatness of Christianity and the Western world, the inferiority of Hinduism compared to Yoga (and talk about how Yoga predated Hinduism. LOL!), and so forth. We don’t want to sink to your level and become ignorant! We want to use our intelligence and talk about how wrong you guys are, how right we are, and how this world needs to be changed.

#137

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;47519]Nope. Read my posts again. The most I said was “you are [B]no better[/B] than the next anti-Hindu/Indian” and “stop posting links to anti-Hindu articles…” This isn’t the same as accusing you of being an anti-Hindu outright. But it doesn’t matter anyway, since you have proved to me that you have Westernized/Christianized biases and are biased against Hinduism. Be happy that I am accusing you now. :D[/QUOTE]

Man, you actually POST like a spoiled little entitled know-it-all rich kid.
“Be happy that I’m gracing you with my stupid accusations” :lol:

#138

We want to use our intelligence and talk about how wrong you guys are, how right we are, and how this world needs to be changed.

Well get on your soap box and tell everyone they are wrong, you are right, and they need to change.

You will gain many followers…

(Somebody needs some PR training methinks).

#139

[QUOTE=thomas;47531]Well get on your soap box and tell everyone they are wrong, you are right, and they need to change.

You will gain many followers…

(Somebody needs some PR training methinks).[/QUOTE]

I was joking Thomas. The whole post was a mockery of what those other people on these forums think of us. Truth be told, I personally just want to erase any misconceptions and biases. SD, on the other hand…well it isn’t a bad thing you know.

#140

Concerning SD…most people have more of a problem with “style” than with “substance” as I see it.

Most people here are very nice and can get along with each other fantastically well in spite of huge differences. The problem with SD is that he goads and baits, but that does at least serve the purpose of making the board somewhat interesting.

Sometimes it can be fun to be offended.