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#161

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;47755]Lets review this for the third time, since your aging brain cannot grasp things as well anymore. First of all, I never stated explicitly that you are racist. I said that you are no better than the anti-Hindu people on this forum who post links to similar anti-Hindu drivel (I wonder why you wasted the effort to Google propaganda against Hinduism and India; you must be desperate to defame these two things). I also said that you tend to support people who are biased against Hinduism and India. I was hinting at ignorance and flawed views at that time, to be honest. But don’t worry, I have determined that you are a a bigot now. So there is no point in continuing this conversation on that matter.

Once again, provide your opinion on the following posts. I noticed how no one commented on them except for SD and me. This indeed shows bias towards us and Indians and Hindus in general.

"This is a good start Surya. I’ll contact A R Rahman so he can compose an upbeat score. [B]You and Friedrich practice your dance routines (who’s the stright guy?).[/B] Leave everything to me and I’ll have you guys prancing down the red carpet come Oscar season.

May have to change the old testament theme thing a bit. Violence is good, [B]but can you find some sexy bits? Just try to resist casting any girls under 16. I’ve read about old Hindu men’s preference for marrying the young ones. Won’t go over well out here. Round up some lower caste filthy untouchable bastards to haul the equipment around on the cheap, and we’re set." - Courtesy of Flex Penguin [/B]

"Actually, when we get down to brass tacks, the “Evil West” is going to do whatever it wants. Why? [B]Because we deserve it, considering the $Trillions$ & $Trillions$ of dollars that we’ve sent India to drag it out & keep it out of the gutter.[/B] Now that India is internationally recognized as a “developing country”, you’re all "Now get out! & completely change while you’re at it!“
Sorry, the real world doesn’t work like that. It never has. You like all the money we give you but you don’t like having us around? [B]Pssht, grow the hell up.[/B]
Asians can look at the plethora of religions, philosophies, and belief systems available to them and they pick & choose like a salad bar. [B]As Western countries have global social & financial influence, we will pick and choose from what religions or philosophies we like, when we like. We have the money, the power, and the authority, & we’ll do what we like. You can whine about it all you want but it’s a waste of time. Grow up & get with the real world.”[/B] - Indra Deva

Bollywood - here we come! I see you have been rehearsing, which is fantastic! What a show this is going to be. 4 hours long, minimum, with 2 intervals.

Here’s the synopsis:
The Hero: Surya Deva, he’s a rich boy, a spoiled brat. His mother has died and his mean father has remarried a Chritian woman. [B]Surya often sees his mother in his dreams where she begs him to find a nice girl and settle down. When we first meet our hero he’s surrounded by scantily clad girls prancing around him in their vast garden, while white and lilac petals fall from the sky.[/B] They sing:
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
Āpa kē li’ē hamārā pyāra pīlē bukhāra kī taraha jalatā hai.
(Our love for you
Burns like yellow fever!)

[B]Our hero has charms to distract the girls while dancing - singing of his dream girl.
She comes to me
Like biscuit from the cupboard
So dry at first
But dunked in milk
So white to see[/B]

The Heroine: [B]Fraulein Freidrich (funny name for a hindu girl, but we can make it work).[/B] She is the epitome of today’s generation. [B]Fraulein Freidrich is poor outcast from a small village,[/B] but her jewelry is designed by Tanishq. Our heroine is having a bath in the local canal when our hero sees her. Their eyes meet, heartbeats stop, music happens, everyone around them begins the choreographed dancing rountine, the camera pans a wide panoramic shot of the scene, and love is in the air!

Fraulein Freidrich sings the main theme tune:
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
My love for you
Lifts me up like a lever!

The Villain: (TBA) Surya’s father and his Christian wife, always spying on them from behind the doors or the trees. They sing as well:
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
[B]If you marry her
We will carve you with a cleaver![/B]

Meanwhile, one lonely night our hero is alone, looking out into the Ganges, when his ghostly mother appears to him:
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
[B]Fraulein Freidrich is too brown
Why don’t you leave her?[/B]

SD:
Mām̐, maiṁ apanā dūdha liyā hai,
lēkina ēka chōṭī sī mēka’apa
Fraulein Freidrich pārita kara sakatē haiṁ wih.
[B](Mother, I’ve had your milk, but wih a little makeup Fraulein Freidrich can pass.)[/B]

This goes on for a couple of hours, then our villains kidnap Fraulein Freidrich and take her to a palace that has a pool filled with pink acid. Much singing and dancing there. But, our hero’s best friend urges Surya Deva to rescue the Fraulein.
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
If you let this happen
You will surely bereave her!

[B]So, off they prance - the scantliy clad girls in tow - to rescue the Fraulein Freidrich from the clutches of the evil father and Christian stepmother.[/B] When the arrive, a great fight ensues with a cast of thousands. Carefully choreographed, the villains and heroes battle for another hour or so. Finally, Surya Deva rescues his Fraulein Freidrich, but as they sing to each other, they realize they cannot remain on Earth together, so they decide to jump into the pool of pink acid. As they sink, to their knees, then their waist, then their shoulders, the camera zooms into a close up and our lovers kiss passionately. The fighting stops and sun is blacked out by a swarm of parrots, their droppings falling on the villains.

[B]But wait! It’s not over! Our lovers emerge in heaven, hand in hand (the scantily clad girls are there to meet them)[/B] and they are shown to a table full of great food by our hero’s mother. At the table are many guests, including Siva, Jesus, Allah, and the prophet MHd (have to careful there. Don’t want to make the same mistake as the Danes). Everyone is happy to see them, and the final song echoes with Rahman’s signature beat, while white and lilac petals fall from the sky.
Surya
Surya
Surya Deva
[B]Now you have the chance
To show her your pecker![/B][/QUOTE]

Hmmm since you are a fan on not being PC…here you go…but understand I am still being kind due to the forum we are on.

I was not googling for Hindu anything junior I was looking for things on the burning of witches you overly sensitive silly person

First let me start this by saying I use to like you. You remind me of when I was young and stupid. But then I realized I was never arrogant as you are and if I dished it out I could always take it and I have, for as long as I can remember and that is likely longer than you are old, taken responsibility for my actions and admitted when I was wrong…. You and SD, assuming you are not SD fail miserable when it comes to taking in kind what you dish, taking responsibility for your actions and admitting you are wrong when you are. You both…or you whatever it is, appear to feel that copious verbiage and refusal to respond to direct questions makes you smart… it doesn’t… all it does is make you annoying

I read what little my old a feeble mind could handle without a nap…but sorry sonny I think you are confusing a dislike for some one that happens to be Hindu with being anti-Hindu when they are simply Anti-SD…or to put it better anti-you (Hi ya SD) they are not anti-Hinduism just because you happen to be one and they don’t like you… but plling uot that race or religion card is a great way to deflect your actual lack of knowledge and understanding as to what is going one or being said. Heck I don’t like you much either nor do I much like SD…But then I may have just said I don’t like you twice… But just because I do not like the two of you, you insignificant youngin does not mean I do not like Hindus. Your a jerk and so is SD you just happen to be Hindu and a jerk can be of any race religion or nationality so take the hit like a man and stop pointing fingers at things that do not exist to cover up for being a jerk and stop crying about it

Now if you really want me to comment on all that drivel you posted could you please edit out just the pertinent bits and get rid of the language stuff I don’t understand because I’m old a feeble and my eyes can’t take reading all that and I am tired and loose concentration due to age and need many naps

Bottom -line you arrogant misanthrope… you don’t really matter much to me in the over all scheme of things and if I matter that much to you that you need my opinion edit out all the stuff that I do not need to read….but I will give you this. From what little my old feeble mind can understand I do not see a whole lot of anti-Hindu, some a bit culturally insinuative but then SD is pretty culturally insensitive himself (as are you or am I talking about you twice again) but that appear to be ok for him and for you (assuming you are not one in the same) but when you/him get called on it or someone comes back at you with it you cry foul, run to the moderators like little whining children because you can’t take it, but you sure can dish it out can’t you there sonny what I see is anti SD and some of it is pretty amusing, some is pretty insulting, some culturally insensitive but not anti Hindu… like I said they don’t like SD and not liking SD or you (again you may be SD so…) has little to do with being anti-Hindu

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[QUOTE=Yulaw;47865]Hmmm since you are a fan on not being PC…here you go…but understand I am still being kind due to the forum we are on.

I was not googling for Hindu anything junior I was looking for things on the burning of witches you overly sensitive silly person

First let me start this by saying I use to like you. You remind me of when I was young and stupid. But then I realized I was never arrogant as you are and if I dished it out I could always take it and I have, for as long as I can remember and that is likely longer than you are old, taken responsibility for my actions and admitted when I was wrong…. You and SD, assuming you are not SD fail miserable when it comes to taking in kind what you dish, taking responsibility for your actions and admitting you are wrong when you are. You both…or you whatever it is, appear to feel that copious verbiage and refusal to respond to direct questions makes you smart… it doesn’t… all it does is make you annoying

I read what little my old a feeble mind could handle without a nap…but sorry sonny I think you are confusing a dislike for some one that happens to be Hindu with being anti-Hindu when they are simply Anti-SD…or to put it better anti-you (Hi ya SD) they are not anti-Hinduism just because you happen to be one and they don’t like you… but plling uot that race or religion card is a great way to deflect your actual lack of knowledge and understanding as to what is going one or being said. Heck I don’t like you much either nor do I much like SD…But then I may have just said I don’t like you twice… But just because I do not like the two of you, you insignificant youngin does not mean I do not like Hindus. Your a jerk and so is SD you just happen to be Hindu and a jerk can be of any race religion or nationality so take the hit like a man and stop pointing fingers at things that do not exist to cover up for being a jerk and stop crying about it

Now if you really want me to comment on all that drivel you posted could you please edit out just the pertinent bits and get rid of the language stuff I don’t understand because I’m old a feeble and my eyes can’t take reading all that and I am tired and loose concentration due to age and need many naps

Bottom -line you arrogant misanthrope… you don’t really matter much to me in the over all scheme of things and if I matter that much to you that you need my opinion edit out all the stuff that I do not need to read….but I will give you this. From what little my old feeble mind can understand I do not see a whole lot of anti-Hindu, some a bit culturally insinuative but then SD is pretty culturally insensitive himself (as are you or am I talking about you twice again) but that appear to be ok for him and for you (assuming you are not one in the same) but when you/him get called on it or someone comes back at you with it you cry foul, run to the moderators like little whining children because you can’t take it, but you sure can dish it out can’t you there sonny what I see is anti SD and some of it is pretty amusing, some is pretty insulting, some culturally insensitive but not anti Hindu… like I said they don’t like SD and not liking SD or you (again you may be SD so…) has little to do with being anti-Hindu[/QUOTE]

Yawn. So no comments on those racist posts? Just as I suspected.

Thank you for all those mature remarks. Clearly the product of decades of wisdom and learning. You have proven that you are indeed more intelligent than I am. If you/these people were really anti-me/SD then they would not so quickly gravitate to posting anti-Hindu material or links to such material. SD and I stick to historical events and facts. You all, do not. You, and others like you, post propaganda, false information (yeah India trades with Burma the most; http://www.infodriveindia.com/Export-Import/Trade-Statistics/Trading-Partners.aspx; lol. Looks like its in the 70’s), and news of isolated events of “Hindu” violence as if it represents the entirety of Hinduism. Only a racist would waste time frantically searching for equally racist material. You cannot accept the fact that you’re biased against Hindus and Indians. Stop making excuses for posting such links.

I have never reported anyone on this forum for trolling or expressing their racist beliefs. On the other hand, I have been reported by people like you, perhaps numerous times, and Indra Deva repeatedly grovels under the feet of the forum moderators and tries to convince them to give me a temporary ban.

I am arrogant? No, I am unforgiving and relentless in debates about my culture, religion, and nation. It is natural, especially since our country has been raped by Muslims and Christians for over a millennium and our “pagan” religion trashed by the “superior” Abrahamics and their screwed up media and dogma. You are all, with the exception of a few people, willfully ignorant about Hinduism. You hide under prevalent (Western) societal notions and refuse to think for yourselves, no matter how you all like to proclaim otherwise. If two Indians are defending their religion against misrepresentation and misinformation with zeal, it is “annoying,” “racist,” and “misanthropic.” If Christians go to other countries and go around converting pagans forcefully and teaching them to hate their own country and former religion, or if Muslims go around spreading violence and hate speech against pagans like Hindus, it is O.K and to be thought of as not representative of their religion. If it is a historical fact that Christians and Muslims have caused the worst destruction of all time in all areas, it is thought to be not representative of their religion and simply a minority event.

On the other hand, for example, if a few hundred Muslims are killed out of Hindu outrage over hundreds of incidents and centuries of anti-Hindu violence, it is noticed. If a mosque built on a land sacred to Hindus and over the remains of a Hindu temple destroyed by Muslims long ago is destroyed, it is to be thought of as wrong, and the 200+ temples and hundreds of Hindus murdered in Pakistan and Afghanistan and India after the event, is not wrong. It is not alright to speak out against bias in Western media and academia on Hinduism, in the form of false histories and sentiment against a pagan religion, but it is ok to take lightly the fabrication of our history and the misrepresentation of our culture in American textbooks.

Face it fools. Abrahamic religions are inherently flawed and the sooner everyone realizes it, the greater the chance the world has of ameliorating itself. You are all too foolish and seeped into Western idealism to realize that.

If we were all back in 19th century America, I have no doubt that SD and I would be like William Loyd Garrisons, fighting fiercely for the abolition of slavery and launching unremitting and polemical attacks against white supremacist bigots. You fools would be like the rest of America, who hated the abolitionists for their “intolerant” views (foolish Americans still thought there was hope of reconciliation back then, kind of like you all, who think there is still hope of love between all of other faiths) and would try to murder us for our thoughts (and indeed, abolitionists were killed in for their views).

#163

You csant expect to damm others beliefs and get away with it…its a serious thig to do…you have contradicted yourself

[QUOTE][QUOTE]and news of isolated events of “Hindu” violence as if it represents the entirety of Hinduism.
[/QUOTE][/QUOTE

And neither does it represent all Muslims, and Christians on the planet…

True that Hindus have suffered for their non violent approach, greatly…
True the Abrahamic religions have elements of wrongness in them
But your approach is no better than those you accuse.

Lets look at what you are promoting…hatred of all Abrahamic religions, that makes you violent in your intent, this is not a Hindu trait, this is not Hindu. So what are you?

#164

[QUOTE=kareng;47883]You csant expect to damm others beliefs and get away with it…its a serious thig to do…you have contradicted yourself

[/QUOTE

And neither does it represent all Muslims, and Christians on the planet…

True that Hindus have suffered for their non violent approach, greatly…
True the Abrahamic religions have elements of wrongness in them
But your approach is no better than those you accuse.

Lets look at what you are promoting…hatred of all Abrahamic religions, that makes you violent in your intent, this is not a Hindu trait, this is not Hindu. So what are you?

Uhm, where have I promoted violence against Christians and Muslims? Find me the post where I said you should kill all Christians and Muslims. All I have ever said was that you should not be afraid or PC in recognizing them for their ignorance and underhanded ways. Same with Christianity and Islam. You should not be afraid to see the ridiculous flaws they contain. I have pointed out the violent actions of followers of Abrahamic religions throughout history and the negative influence of Abrahamic religions in the world today. I have even said, MULTIPLE TIMES, that all I want is the negative aspects of Christianity and Islam to be rid off. This is what I am arguing so ferociously against Kareng (is it Karen or Kareng?). That is what I want to intellectually “fight” against, raise awareness of, and hopefully get rid of in the end. The world will be much better off for it.

You think this matter calls for gentle and sweet words? Nope, sorry. We Hindus have tried that for CENTURIES. OVER ONE DAMNED MILLENNIA! Gandhi was nice to the Muslims and look at Pakistan today. All they do is spread hate speech against us, send terrorists off on their merry way to kill us (but this is ok right?) shit colored pagans, and discriminate against Indians in Pakistan (they are literally the lowest, most poor class there; go to Pakistan if you don’t believe me). We were nice to the British. They conquered India, turned India into one of the most poorest countries, defiled our religion and culture, and left. We Indians work hard and mind our own business while Western academia, media, and society scorns us. Indians mostly keep their mouths shut when it comes to discrimination by our own government against Indians/Hindus and missionaries are just having a field day converting the poor and turning them into mockeries of what they might have stood for. I am sorry but silence doesn’t cut it these days. Silence helps the oppressor.

You think turning the other cheek will work these days? Yeah, if you turn your cheek, you would most likely get your head chopped off. Unfortunately, that is what is happening to Hindus and India these days.

Calls for awareness and resistance against such oppression, in the manner of William Loyd Garrison, is what is necessary.

#165

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;47886][QUOTE=kareng;47883]You csant expect to damm others beliefs and get away with it…its a serious thig to do…you have contradicted yourself

Uhm, where have I promoted violence against Christians, Muslims? Find me the post where I said you should hate Abrahamic religions. All I have ever said was that you should not be afraid or PC in recognizing them for what they are. I have pointed out the violent actions of followers of Abrahamic religions throughout history and the negative influence of Abrahamic religions in the world today. I have even said, MULTIPLE TIMES, that all I want is the negative aspects of Christianity and Islam to be rid off. This is what I am arguing so ferociously against these things Kareng (is it Karen or Kareng?). That is what I want to intellectually “fight” against, raise awareness of, and hopefully get rid of in the end. The world will be much better off for it.

You think this matter calls for gentle and sweet words? Nope, sorry. We Hindus have tried that for CENTURIES. OVER ONE DAMNED MILLENNIA! Gandhi was nice towards the Muslims and look at Pakistan today. All they do is spread hate speech against us, send terrorists off on their merry way to kill us (but this is ok right?), and discriminate against Indians in Pakistan (they are literally the lowest class there; go to Pakistan if you don’t believe me). We were nice to the British. They conquered India, turned India into one of the most poorest countries, defiled our religion and culture, and left. We Indians work hard and mind our own business while Western academia, media, and society scorns us. I am sorry but extreme pacifism doesn’t cut it these days. Indians mostly keep their mouths shut when it comes to discrimination by our own government against Indians/Hindus and missionaries are just having a field day converting the poor and turning them into mockeries of what they might have stood for.

You think turning the other cheek will work these days? Yeah, if you turn your cheek, you would most likely get your head chopped off. Unfortunately, that is what is happening to Hindus and India these days.

Calls for harsh words and awareness, in the manner of William Loyd Garrison and his strong views on slavery, is what is necessary.[/QUOTE]

Just to answer the first bit of what you have said…I have to go offline for a bit…

Your problems are not with Abrahamic religeons but the mindset of some of the individual/.s in them.

People who practice any of these faiths correctly will not have any desire to kill, rape, maim…so what is it your dealing with? another type of person, one that isn’t following their faith…one that is too weak in discipline, to adhere to their faith in a correct manner…this is the problem…its the wrong actions of the individuals not the faith they belong to…the consequences of this is you have to show compassion to the people who are adhering correctly to their religion. You are putting them altogether…as if you can. and by doing so it makes you instantly wrong, your words.

I dont care what is in their faiths that is wrong, the person correctly following ther faith will not be on the battle field. They will not be following wrong elements in their bibles, koran etc. .,.

When you are on the right path it automatically takes you away from violence, the desire for aggressive behaviors…the desire to hurt.

Your trashing Abrahamic religions when Ishvara presents to all faiths…Now who will I trust as right?

#166

[QUOTE=kareng;47890][QUOTE=Nietzsche;47886]

Just to answer the first bit of what you have said…I have to go offline for a bit…

Your problems are not with Abrahamic religeons but the mindset of some of the individual/.s in them.

People who practice any of these faiths correctly will not have any desire to kill, rape, maim…so what is it your dealing with? another type of person, one that isn’t following their faith…one that is too weak in discipline, to adhere to their faith in a correct manner…this is the problem…its the wrong actions of the individuals not the faith they belong to…the consequences of this is you have to show compassion to the people who are adhering correctly to their religion. You are putting them altogether…as if you can. and by doing so it makes you instantly wrong, your words.

I dont care what is in their faiths that is wrong, the person correctly following ther faith will not be on the battle field. They will not be following wrong elements in their bibles, koran etc. .,.

When you are on the right path it automatically takes you away from violence, the desire for aggressive behaviors…the desire to hurt.

Your trashing Abrahamic religions when Ishvara presents to all faiths…Now who will I trust as right?[/QUOTE]

My problems are with the Abrahamic religions themselves and the mindsets they tend to inculcate within the follower.

People who practice those faiths correctly will have a disgusting desire to denounce other religions, assert the superiority of their ways, and go around trying to convert pagans. People who practice those faiths while mixing with secular humanistic ideals and years of experience with the real world are not like that. Take Thomas for example.

Why should I be considered instantly wrong? Because it is what has been drilled into you? Because it is a prevalent societal norm to accept the equality of all faiths and paths? Sorry, but the real world isn’t like that. The fact is that some paths are wrong, some paths are right, and some paths are less efficient than others. Most Christians and Muslims hate Hindus and even if they aren’t loud about it, many have many reservations on the superiority of their religion. Why don’t you try talking frankly about Hinduism with a Christian or Muslim next time? Talk about the good stuff that you see in C.N.N and Fox News, like idol worship, polytheism, rituals, and etc. Make sure they aren’t being politically correct.

Or can he? Even in Islam, where Mohammed was inspired to rape women, marry a 6 yr old girl, conquer the pagans and destroy the culture which Arabs of old had developed, cleanse the Kabbah of idols and destroy them, and what not? Was it ok for Mohammed to do that, since it was apparently the Divine that inspired him to forcefully convert the Arabs to his faith? Even in Christianity, with all its wonderful bedtime stories on the killing of pagans and groups that resisted “God,” verses where Jesus arrogantly proclaims that he is the way, he alone can save you, and etc? If they aren’t meant to be taken literally, then why the hell are they in their “holy” scriptures? Aren’t they unadulterated words of God, perfect beyond the corruption of man, and etc, as per their faiths? Or am I misrepresenting these religions again? How so then?

#167

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;47880]Yawn. So no comments on those racist posts? Just as I suspected.

Thank you for all those mature remarks. Clearly the product of decades of wisdom and learning. You have proven that you are indeed more intelligent than I am. If you/these people were really anti-me/SD then they would not so quickly gravitate to posting anti-Hindu material or links to such material. SD and I stick to historical events and facts. You all, do not. You, and others like you, post propaganda, false information (yeah India trades with Burma the most; http://www.infodriveindia.com/Export-Import/Trade-Statistics/Trading-Partners.aspx; lol. Looks like its in the 70’s), and news of isolated events of “Hindu” violence as if it represents the entirety of Hinduism. Only a racist would waste time frantically searching for equally racist material. You cannot accept the fact that you’re biased against Hindus and Indians. Stop making excuses for posting such links.

I have never reported anyone on this forum for trolling or expressing their racist beliefs. On the other hand, I have been reported by people like you, perhaps numerous times, and Indra Deva repeatedly grovels under the feet of the forum moderators and tries to convince them to give me a temporary ban.

I am arrogant? No, I am unforgiving and relentless in debates about my culture, religion, and nation. It is natural, especially since our country has been raped by Muslims and Christians for over a millennium and our “pagan” religion trashed by the “superior” Abrahamics and their screwed up media and dogma. You are all, with the exception of a few people, willfully ignorant about Hinduism. You hide under prevalent (Western) societal notions and refuse to think for yourselves, no matter how you all like to proclaim otherwise. If two Indians are defending their religion against misrepresentation and misinformation with zeal, it is “annoying,” “racist,” and “misanthropic.” If Christians go to other countries and go around converting pagans forcefully and teaching them to hate their own country and former religion, or if Muslims go around spreading violence and hate speech against pagans like Hindus, it is O.K and to be thought of as not representative of their religion. If it is a historical fact that Christians and Muslims have caused the worst destruction of all time in all areas, it is thought to be not representative of their religion and simply a minority event.

On the other hand, for example, if a few hundred Muslims are killed out of Hindu outrage over hundreds of incidents and centuries of anti-Hindu violence, it is noticed. If a mosque built on a land sacred to Hindus and over the remains of a Hindu temple destroyed by Muslims long ago is destroyed, it is to be thought of as wrong, and the 200+ temples and hundreds of Hindus murdered in Pakistan and Afghanistan and India after the event, is not wrong. It is not alright to speak out against bias in Western media and academia on Hinduism, in the form of false histories and sentiment against a pagan religion, but it is ok to take lightly the fabrication of our history and the misrepresentation of our culture in American textbooks.

Face it fools. Abrahamic religions are inherently flawed and the sooner everyone realizes it, the greater the chance the world has of ameliorating itself. You are all too foolish and seeped into Western idealism to realize that.

If we were all back in 19th century America, I have no doubt that SD and I would be like William Loyd Garrisons, fighting fiercely for the abolition of slavery and launching unremitting and polemical attacks against white supremacist bigots. You fools would be like the rest of America, who hated the abolitionists for their “intolerant” views (foolish Americans still thought there was hope of reconciliation back then, kind of like you all, who think there is still hope of love between all of other faiths) and would try to murder us for our thoughts (and indeed, abolitionists were killed in for their views).[/QUOTE]

You are one funny guy… albeit an arrogant jackass but still pretty damn funny…and before you tell me I’m rude again SD let me just say I’m not being rude, you’re just insignificant whether you want to be SD or Nietzsche.

can you read and understand English… because I did give you an answer junior

And to end this silliness I must also add you are quite delusional so I am back to I don’t know what your problem is, but I’ll bet it’s hard to pronounce

#168

[QUOTE=Yulaw;47908]You are one funny guy… albeit an arrogant jackass but still pretty damn funny…and before you tell me I’m rude again SD let me just say I’m not being rude, you’re just insignificant whether you want to be SD or Nietzsche.

can you read and understand English… because I did give you an answer junior

And to end this silliness I must also add you are quite delusional so I am back to I don’t know what your problem is, but I’ll bet it’s hard to pronounce[/QUOTE]

Says the person who thinks I am SD. It is quite clear that you are the delusional one. You do not know SD or me as well as you think you do. The differences between us are quite obvious for any person to see.

So continue along with your anti-Hindu/Indian bigotry. I wonder how you manage to work for Microsoft with all those Indians around you. I know the Chinese generally scorn those of darker skin, especially us Indians. Then again, there is not one race that the Chinese believe they are not superior to. A result of 4 millennia of ethnocentrism, starting from the Shang Dynasty, no doubt.

#169

Why don’t you settle down with who you’re calling “fools”. :rolleyes:

Says the person who thinks I am SD. It is quite clear that you are the delusional one. You do not know SD or me as well as you think you do. The differences between us are quite obvious for any person to see.

So continue along with your anti-Hindu/Indian bigotry. I wonder how you manage to work for Microsoft with all those Indians around you. I know the Chinese generally scorn those of darker skin, especially us Indians. Then again, there is not one race that the Chinese believe they are not superior to. A result of 4 millennia of ethnocentrism, starting from the Shang Dynasty, no doubt.

Ah, it’s just you against the world, huh? You kids have such active imaginations! :lol::lol::lol:

#170

People who practice those faiths while mixing with secular humanistic ideals and years of experience with the real world are not like that. Take Thomas for example.

Please don’t take me as an example for anything. The only thing I’m a good example of is that I’m very clever in figuring out ways to avoid real work.

But I think you have seen too many bad examples, N. I wish you could visit my church and meet the people there and you would see that many are very similar, excpet they’re a lot better and more devoted than I am.

Which reminds me of something. About ten years ago, a family from my Church, at great expense travelled to India, endured a lot of hardhips in their travels, and finally got to their destination and goal, which was to adopt a poor Indian boy and bring him back to the US to raise as their own son, and as a Catholic.

What do you think of that?

#171

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;47924]Says the person who thinks I am SD. It is quite clear that you are the delusional one. You do not know SD or me as well as you think you do. The differences between us are quite obvious for any person to see.

So continue along with your anti-Hindu/Indian bigotry. I wonder how you manage to work for Microsoft with all those Indians around you. I know the Chinese generally scorn those of darker skin, especially us Indians. Then again, there is not one race that the Chinese believe they are not superior to. A result of 4 millennia of ethnocentrism, starting from the Shang Dynasty, no doubt.[/QUOTE]

Well so you are a racist against Chinese… hmmmmm… you are also very insecure as well…

Interesting statement about Shang by the way… you appear to have knowledge of Shang that many Chinese historians would be interested in… Maybe you should contact them and let them in on what you have discovered about Shang, I am assuming it is based on serious research not web searches for Anti Chinese Propaganda :wink: (SD’s favorite smilie)… I could give you a couple of names if you like.

Now sonny… first I am not Chinese.

Second… most Chinese identify themselves with the Han Dynasty…which was considerably later…much why you have the Han peoples of China? although the name for China comes from Qin which is much earlier than Han but still later than Shang

As for the rest… you are a broken record and grow tiresome you obviously skim posts and respond to the bits you vaguely understand to continue support your delusions…

Feel free to declare victory if you like? but the reality is that I will waste no more time with you.

There is a great section from Zen in the Martial arts where there is a discussion about spending time with those that want to help you spend it and not spending any time with those that want to waste your time?? and you are wasting my time? maybe you should look for the book and read it? maybe you?ll learn something.

have a nice day… I am done with you

#172

It is truly astonishing that Yulaw is in his late 50’s. You would never have guessed it from his behaviour of incessant name calling and lack of interest in having a mature and sensible discussion.

There was a time when elders were the wise ones in society. Sad times indeed.

All I can see here is Neitszche making valid points and rather than any of his points being engaged, I only see Neitzsche being attacked personally. In fact, humerously enough, even I am being attacked and I am not even participating in the discussion between Neitzsche and Yulaw.

All this goes to prove that Yulaw et al are the weakest links on this forum. They contribute the least value to discussions on this forum, and this has been noted by the impartial members as well.

#173

People who practice any of these faiths correctly will not have any desire to kill, rape, maim…so what is it your dealing with

Wrong, the Muslims who are practicing their religion faithfully are the Taliban. You obviously have not read the Quran it says in no uncertain terms that the non-believers should be condemned, slayed, beheaded and their temples and idols razed to the ground. This is what has happened historically in Islam.

Wrong, the Christians practicing their religion faithfully are the evangalists. It says in their scripture that the worship of any other god other than their own Yaweh(for he is a jealous god) is a sin. The punishment for these sins in OT times was death. It says in their scripture that only Jesus Christ is the way and everybody else must be converted to his way to be saved. The Christian is enjoined to convert others. Others are heathens/pagans who, if not saved, will be condemned to eternal damnation. Again, this is what historically has happened pagans/heathens in all parts of the world have been forcibly converted, killed, raped, maimed and brutalized.

We are very fortunate in our times that Muslims and Christians are not practicing their religion faithfully!

#174

[QUOTE=thomas;47931]Please don’t take me as an example for anything. The only thing I’m a good example of is that I’m very clever in figuring out ways to avoid real work.

But I think you have seen too many bad examples, N. I wish you could visit my church and meet the people there and you would see that many are very similar, excpet they’re a lot better and more devoted than I am.

Which reminds me of something. About ten years ago, a family from my Church, at great expense travelled to India, endured a lot of hardhips in their travels, and finally got to their destination and goal, which was to adopt a poor Indian boy and bring him back to the US to raise as their own son, and as a Catholic.

What do you think of that?[/QUOTE]

As a Catholic? Why didn’t they raise him up to be critical with respect to any religious system so that HE ALONE would decide what religion (or lack thereof) to follow in the end?

Why India? Why did they choose India instead of far poorer and more impoverished places, like some of the countries in Africa? I think we all know the answer to that Thomas. Or maybe not. It is because most Indians follow Hinduism. The last bastion of organized paganism, idolatry, and polytheism left in the world.

I think it is despicable. I can’t imagine how they must have brainwashed that child.

If I went to India to adopt a child, it would be a former untouchable. I would teach him about every religion, teach him Arabic, Hebrew, Sanskrit, and what not and let him decide for himself what religion he feels is the best for him. I would be honest about the caste system (which is more of a societal system anyway) and the faults of every religion. That is the best way Thomas. I would not let that child live a lie, like those Catholics did with the Indian kid they adopted.

#175

[QUOTE=Yulaw;47933]Well so you are a racist against Chinese… hmmmmm… you are also very insecure as well…

Interesting statement about Shang by the way… you appear to have knowledge of Shang that many Chinese historians would be interested in… Maybe you should contact them and let them in on what you have discovered about Shang, I am assuming it is based on serious research not web searches for Anti Chinese Propaganda :wink: (SD’s favorite smilie)… I could give you a couple of names if you like.

Now sonny… first I am not Chinese.

Second… most Chinese identify themselves with the Han Dynasty…which was considerably later…much why you have the Han peoples of China… although the name for China comes from Qin which is much earlier than Han but still later than Shang

As for the rest… you are a broken record and grow tiresome you obviously skim posts and respond to the bits you vaguely understand to continue support your delusions…

Feel free to declare victory if you like… but the reality is that I will waste no more time with you.

There is a great section from Zen in the Martial arts where there is a discussion about spending time with those that want to help you spend it and not spending any time with those that want to waste your time…… and you are wasting my time… maybe you should look for the book and read it… maybe you’ll learn something.

have a nice day… I am done with you[/QUOTE]

Oh no, I am merely pointing out prevalent societal dogma. But of course, you all can mention inter-caste discrimination in India and should not be called racist. I mention a historical fact and get called a bigot.

Lol, you obviously do not know your Chinese history. Ok, you might not be Chinese. I thought you might have been considering your religion, which is indigenous to China. But still, it is a fact that beginning from the Shang Dynasty, forms of ethnocentrism started to sprout. They believed they were at the center of the universe (then again, you can’t really blame them considering their isolation from the rest of the world). They repeatedly pushed back the nomadic tribes north of China and called them “barbarians” (a term which stuck throughout the ages, and repeatedly used by the Chinese to describe all other races. For heaven’s sake, anyone wishing to trade with China had to kowtow to the Emperor. Highly insulting).

I don’t see the point in mentioning the Han Dynasty. I know that most Chinese identify with the Han Dynasty. But that is out of pride for the achievements and the strength of the Han Dynasty than actual genetic relations. Even China had groups of many different cultures that were eventually absorbed into one national identity (the entire process was basically finished by the Han dynasty). This, more than anything else, is the greatest achievement of China.

#176

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;47935]It is truly astonishing that Yulaw is in his late 50’s. You would never have guessed it from his behaviour of incessant name calling and lack of interest in having a mature and sensible discussion.

There was a time when elders were the wise ones in society. Sad times indeed.[/quote]

If you’re going to insult people too, then shut the hell up about it. You can’t claim the moral highroad when you’re down in the trenches too. :rolleyes:

All I can see here is Neitszche making valid points and rather than any of his points being engaged, I only see Neitzsche being attacked personally. In fact, humerously enough, even I am being attacked and I am not even participating in the discussion between Neitzsche and Yulaw.

[B]All this goes to prove that Yulaw et al are the weakest links on this forum.[/B] They contribute the least value to discussions on this forum, and this has been noted by the impartial members as well.

There you go again. You’ve contributed nothing with this post, just ageist snobbery.

#177

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;47952]Oh no, I am merely pointing out prevalent societal dogma. But of course, you all can mention inter-caste discrimination in India and should not be called racist. I mention a historical fact and get called a bigot.

Lol, you obviously do not know your Chinese history. Ok, you might not be Chinese. I thought you might have been considering your religion, which is indigenous to China. But still, it is a fact that beginning from the Shang Dynasty, forms of ethnocentrism started to sprout. They believed they were at the center of the universe (then again, you can’t really blame them considering their isolation from the rest of the world). They repeatedly pushed back the nomadic tribes north of China and called them “barbarians” (a term which stuck throughout the ages, and repeatedly used by the Chinese to describe all other races. For heaven’s sake, anyone wishing to trade with China had to kowtow to the Emperor. Highly insulting).

I don’t see the point in mentioning the Han Dynasty. I know that most Chinese identify with the Han Dynasty. But that is out of pride for the achievements and the strength of the Han Dynasty than actual genetic relations. Even China had groups of many different cultures that were eventually absorbed into one national identity (the entire process was basically finished by the Han dynasty). This, more than anything else, is the greatest achievement of China.[/QUOTE]

Your Hindutva programming makes you think that India is the center of the world, the source of everything culturally good in Human History. You’re just as elitist.
& the only reason why you hate the Chinese is because you hate the competition! & if I were you, I’d be more concerned about China than America considering how close they are to Indian. When China makes a move for the world, India better watch out!!!

#178

[QUOTE=Surya Deva;47935]It is truly astonishing that Yulaw is in his late 50’s. You would never have guessed it from his behaviour of incessant name calling and lack of interest in having a mature and sensible discussion.

There was a time when elders were the wise ones in society. Sad times indeed.

All I can see here is Neitszche making valid points and rather than any of his points being engaged, I only see Neitzsche being attacked personally. In fact, humerously enough, even I am being attacked and I am not even participating in the discussion between Neitzsche and Yulaw.

All this goes to prove that Yulaw et al are the weakest links on this forum. They contribute the least value to discussions on this forum, and this has been noted by the impartial members as well.[/QUOTE]

DAMN man every single thing you have ever said about me is wrong…you have attempted to guess my religion on at least two occasions and you were wrong you made statements about me calling you a terrorist and you were wrong and you even made a statement about me possibly causing you physical harm and you were wrong……and now you got my age wrong… What else are you wrong about?

#179

[QUOTE=Nietzsche;47952]Oh no, I am merely pointing out prevalent societal dogma. But of course, you all can mention inter-caste discrimination in India and should not be called racist. I mention a historical fact and get called a bigot.

Lol, you obviously do not know your Chinese history. Ok, you might not be Chinese. I thought you might have been considering your religion, which is indigenous to China. But still, it is a fact that beginning from the Shang Dynasty, forms of ethnocentrism started to sprout. They believed they were at the center of the universe (then again, you can’t really blame them considering their isolation from the rest of the world). They repeatedly pushed back the nomadic tribes north of China and called them “barbarians” (a term which stuck throughout the ages, and repeatedly used by the Chinese to describe all other races. For heaven’s sake, anyone wishing to trade with China had to kowtow to the Emperor. Highly insulting).

I don’t see the point in mentioning the Han Dynasty. I know that most Chinese identify with the Han Dynasty. But that is out of pride for the achievements and the strength of the Han Dynasty than actual genetic relations. Even China had groups of many different cultures that were eventually absorbed into one national identity (the entire process was basically finished by the Han dynasty). This, more than anything else, is the greatest achievement of China.[/QUOTE]

So Mr. Chinese Historian…how good is you Mandarin

You are rather funny… quite wrong…but funny

ummm…come closer… I wouldn’t want anyone to know you were wrong about something…but… I’m not a Taoist… I was wondering what you were up to in the other thread… I knew you were not sincere but I was not quite sure what you were up to

You also do not know Chinese history… but thats for another day

#180

[QUOTE=Yulaw;47992]So Mr. Chinese Historian…how good is you Mandarin

You are rather funny… quite wrong…but funny

ummm…come closer… I wouldn’t want anyone to know you were wrong about something…but… I’m not a Taoist… I was wondering what you were up to in the other thread… I knew you were not sincere but I was not quite sure what you were up to

You also do not know Chinese history? but thats for another day[/QUOTE]

You aren’t a Taoist? Oh. And actually, I was sincere. I have already stated multiple times I respect all other faiths with the exception of Christianity and Islam. I don’t see how you could translate my hatred for Christianity and Islam into a hatred for all other religions and cultures with the exception of my own. Threads on those other religions are not even prevalent in this section. And in the threads that are about other religions/beliefs, I always either compliment the religion/belief or do not post in it. Believe what you will though.

Alright then. Deny one of the hallmarks of Chinese culture…its ethnocentrism. Believe what you will.