[QUOTE=The Scales;34825]The whole world will not be hindu by the end of the century. If anything it’s more likely to be muslim.
But who cares?
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QFT
And when thinking of a Hindu world think China, Russia, and the entire Middle East (India not included). :lol:
Now think Hindu world again :lol:
and again
[QUOTE=The Scales;36102]No America will not be Hindu by the End of the Century.
THE END OF THIS STUPID THREAD.[/QUOTE]
QFT
QFT?
WHat?
is
this
meaning?
Quote For Truth
I still don’t get it.
Sometimes Yes I can be very dense. I think it has to do with the positioning of the heavenly bodies or the fact that one time I inhaled butane.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34730][B]Recently, a member here made me aware of a very significant news event: Julia Roberts …converted to Hinduism…[/B][/QUOTE]
I don’t know how I missed this before, but can you really consider anything that Julia Roberts does to be a significant news event?
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34730]What do you think? Do you agree with my prophecy and do you think this will be a good thing for the world and religion?[/QUOTE]
I want to know what you think of these thoughts by Swamiji Vivekananda:
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"I am proud to belong to a religion which has taught the world both tolerance and universal acceptance. We believe not only in universal toleration, but we accept all religions as true. … I will quote to you, brethren, a few lines from a hymn which I remember to have repeated from my earliest boyhood, which is every day repeated by millions of human beings: “As the different streams having their sources in different paths which men take through different tendencies, various though they appear, crooked or straight, all lead to Thee.”
"Much has been said of the common ground of religious unity. I am not going just now to venture my own theory. But if any one here hopes that this unity will come by the triumph of any one of the religions and the destruction of the others, to him I say, “Brother, yours is an impossible hope.” Do I wish that the Christian would become Hindu? God forbid. Do I wish that the Hindu or Buddhist would become Christian? God forbid.
The seed is put in the ground, and earth and air and water are placed around it. Does the seed become the earth, or the air, or the water? No. It becomes a plant. It develops after the law of its own growth, assimilates the air, the earth, and the water, converts them into plant substance, and grows into a plant.
Similar is the case with religion. The Christian is not to become a Hindu or a Buddhist, nor a Hindu or a Buddhist to become a Christian. But each must assimilate the spirit of the others and yet preserve his individuality and grow according to his own law of growth." - Opening and Closing Speeches at the Parliament of Religions[/I]
[QUOTE=suryadaya;36164]I don’t know how I missed this before, but can you really consider anything that Julia Roberts does to be a significant news event?[/QUOTE]
That was me. I meant it as a joke - a poke at what I felt was a ridiculous argument. I agree; to base a Julia Roberts moment as somewhat significant has taken it to a farce. Anyway, hollywood actresses and Richard Gere have been converting to some exotic religion or other for a century.
Move along - no news here.
China and Middle East would therefore be an obstacle to having a spiritual world. This is why we cannot have a uniform global culture that unites us as long as there is so much disagreement in the world. In the end, however, if this world is going to have a sustainable and harmonious future. There is no other way but the Hindu way.
There is no other way but armegeddon. And I’m here to blow the wave.
[QUOTE=Surya Deva;34838]but can you imagine non-Hindu people gathered in an assembly chanting Hindu mantras and prayers? No? Think again:
By the way listen to the end because it is beautiful beyond words![/QUOTE]
This is really amazing! They are chanting music with Sanskrit! It feels so right. As a person trained in music, I can see that a lot of things feel right. As if these people are from the age of “Satya Yuga.”
I wish all world becomes Hindu, really “SPIRITUAL” NOT RELIGIOUS. In fact, I have heard that the word Hindu corresponds to “spiritual science.” This is the real stuff. They indeed do celebrate life, cherish it, grow it bigger and bigger.
I implore you people, there is no spirituality in abrahamic religions. They really curse life and increase the human suffering. Their version is not for humankind, but as if for another race in an alien planet. In fact, just investigate the word itself “a-braham” - as “a” stands for “anti” - and call for logic instead of belief.
America becoming the harbinger of spirituality? Yes, I can see a lot of evidences out there. It’s only a matter of time !
I implore you people, there is no spirituality in abrahamic religions. They really curse life and increase the human suffering. Their version is not for humankind, but as if for another race in an alien planet. In fact, just investigate the word itself “a-braham” - as “a” stands for “anti” - and call for logic instead of belief.
And there are many people who disagree. There are many good, "tolerant’ christians out there who are kind and compassionate. High Wolf, I am not a christian, but am offended by categorically saying they lack spirituality and increase suffering. People who are and understand Hinduism are tolerant of other religions and I don’t hear them bad mouthing christians, etc. IMO, we are all trying to reach the same end in different ways. This is not shared by some, but it’s how I view it.
[QUOTE=lotusgirl;38665]And there are many people who disagree. There are many good, "tolerant’ christians out there who are kind and compassionate. High Wolf, I am not a christian, but am offended by categorically saying they lack spirituality and increase suffering. People who are and understand Hinduism are tolerant of other religions and I don’t hear them bad mouthing christians, etc. IMO, we are all trying to reach the same end in different ways. This is not shared by some, but it’s how I view it.[/QUOTE]
Most curious. If you are not a christian, why are you defending them so passionately anyway? So you are a christian after all, or pseudo-christian.
Well, in my understanding, Christianity is manipulated by Judaism, and originally was not abrahamic in principle. It had good intentions, but that’s usually the case: good intention is not enough, one has to act. And Jesus of Nazareth had a good intention. The most well-known account for that comes from Nietzsche. Have you ever read the “Genealogy of Morals”? Please do that, and thank you x.x
I am tolerant to other religious beliefs. But I don’t hesitate to show people what kind of fallacy in which they are trapped.
I am not a christian or pseudo-christian. I am Buddhist. I was raised catholic, so I am familiar with christianity.
If people are good and lead a good spiritual life, why should we tell them they are wrong? Is it up to us to tell them? I think not. My husband may have that book, I’ll check with him.
I’m not saying you aren’t tolerant of other religions. I just am tired of the Abrahamic religion bashing. It’s gone on too long. There are many christians on the forum and I think we can have a good discussion, but it tends to get preachy and ugly. My experience.
Lotus_girl, you obviously are biassed to Abrahamic religions, otherwise you would not spend so much time and energy defending it and criticising Hinduism in revenge. You even revealed yourself lately that the discussion with me, has reawakened your appreciation for Christianity.
I am not sure I could call you a Buddhist. I think you have taken elements of Christianity and elements of Buddhism, and elements of new-age thought and created a hode-podge which is neither here or there.
You have defended stuff in Abrahamic religions which are clearly indefensible such as the verses supporting terrorism in the quran and the infanticide and genocides in the OT. And yet when it comes to status of women in Hinduism and caste system problems, you cry in horror, even though they are socio-cultural problems of Indian society and nothing to do with Hinduism and no sanction is found in Hindu scriptures.
The hypocrisy is very clear for everybody to see.
Will America become Hindu by the end of the centuary?
Not if Yogiadam has anything to do with it smiley here
I am not a christian or pseudo-christian. I am Buddhist. I was raised catholic, so I am familiar with christianity.
Ah, I see.
If people are good and lead a good spiritual life, why should we tell them they are wrong? Is it up to us to tell them?
Yes. But at a point, individuality must be overcome for the good of the whole world. Apathy is worse than sympathy.
I’m not saying you aren’t tolerant of other religions. I just am tired of the Abrahamic religion bashing. It’s gone on too long. There are many christians on the forum and I think we can have a good discussion, but it tends to get preachy and ugly. My experience.
I can understand you being tired. But abrahamic beliefs are the harbinger of spiritual and intellectual stagnation on this planet. This is the age of Kali Yuga, and all the wrong things we see in society is a symptom of that stagnation. This, needs to be stated as long as there is a necessity, so that it can be transcended.
Surya,
Why do you say the things you do? Why would you call me a hypocrite? And say that it is clear for all to see. You do not know me and cannot make that judgement. I have NEVER and I repeat NEVER criticized HINDUISM. I have, and I repeat, have repeatedly expressed my appreciation for the many things Hinduism brought us. Did I point out the Caste system and how Indian women are treated? Yes I did and rightly so. I would never criticize Hinduism in revenge. How absurd.
I think Surya might be right with the Buddhist thing, but in terms of subtleties, he seemingly fails.
Off the topic: Can I ask Lotusgirl, how did you decide to become Buddhist? Why Buddhism? I had visited a Zen Buddhist temple in Japan two years ago, and spent 6 months there. I did practice osesshin as a zazen retreat, and lived as part of a community. But I decided to leave because I had attachments.
I have never felt that I was a Buddhist there at all. Even though I was formally initiated. And I can tell that the people in that monastery also do not call themselves Buddhist, because the very essence of the practice is to detach oneself from labels and constructed moralities, so that one can discover and permeate the true Self, without neurotically focusing on the egotistic Self.
Is this the sort of practice you have embraced? I am just curious ^^
@High Wolf
What Buddhist thing is SD right about?
I more align myself with Mahayana Buddhism. For me the idea of God never made sense. Buddhism made sense as to why I am here and where I go from here. I know many Zen Buddhists and teach a yoga class at the local Zen Center and while I respect Zen and its many masters, it’s not for me. Thich Nhat Hahn is one of my favorite authors though. Love his books! Buddhism is simple, the goal is nirvana, aim is for the cessation of suffering through loving kindness, they let science do their thing with creation. To me it’s perfect. After all, I’ve been called a new-ager by SD several times. Whatever my beliefs are, they are right for me.
[QUOTE=lotusgirl;38671]I am not a christian or pseudo-christian. I am Buddhist. I was raised catholic, so I am familiar with christianity.
If people are good and lead a good spiritual life, why should we tell them they are wrong? Is it up to us to tell them? I think not. My husband may have that book, I’ll check with him.
I’m not saying you aren’t tolerant of other religions. I just am tired of the Abrahamic religion bashing. It’s gone on too long. There are many christians on the forum and I think we can have a good discussion, but it tends to get preachy and ugly. My experience.[/QUOTE]
I second Lotusgirl. I’m also raised Christian (catholic). And if by following teachings of Jesus is any good definition of being Christian, I’m still partly Christian. And I’m also tired and bit upset about bashing Abrahamic religions. It’s just not right - I feel like I’m watching few bullies kicking young kid at school. You don’t have to know his faults to feel a need to defend him.
And what is scaring me most is the enlightened attitude of people bashing other religions. This feeling of being right, knowing and being totally rational and not biased. When did it happen? This transition from a young soul lost in the overwhelmingly complex world into a person of clear judgement of what is right and true? I like this saying that the more “enlightened” you feel the bigger shadow you cast. So I think we should from time to time look behind us and check our shadow. To see if by accident there are no people we hurt walking with eyes fixed in the light of righteousness.
[QUOTE=High Wolf;38674]But abrahamic beliefs are the harbinger of spiritual and intellectual stagnation on this planet. This is the age of Kali Yuga, and all the wrong things we see in society is a symptom of that stagnation. This, needs to be stated as long as there is a necessity, so that it can be transcended.[/QUOTE]
I think “abrahamic beliefs” play a role in spiritual and intellectual stagnation on this planet. But not a major one. When we think about such things we have to take into account such things as: industrialization, change of the social classes and political systems, change of family structure and time we spend together vs. working-entertaining, effect of education system, information boom (TV, internet), rise of human rights and individuality, time we spend in cities, in front of computer/TV, sitting way of life and in general life-style changes, fall of authorities, materialistic view of the world and role of science in perception of the universe, diet, increase of expectations toward life and others etc. List can go on. You can find a book devoted to each item explaining how pains of the current world can be explained by a single thing. I see religion as just one piece of this puzzle.
I like to think about transformation as more proper way of dealing with this stagnation (or in general pains of the world). That from this complexity and chaos something new is always emerging. We can’t see it at the time (as it is with all new religions/ideologies/trends in life which became visible many years later) and the most important thing is to live a good life and love your neighbor (even if from time to time you feel a need to “remove” him because e.g. he is different and slowing down the progress).